Sun burns out in 200 years!?

[ManBearPig]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: Quintox
I heard if the sun does burn out, it takes something like 30 years before earth feels its effects or something like that

Try 8 minutes, though I think the long lead up to the event would be fairly significant too.

The earth will be engulfed by the sun before it goes to dwarf status.

We wont be around for those 8 minutes

Actually, we'd probably die even earlier because our water supply would be dried up before we actually got engulfed. So we'd die of dehydration first.

 

[PBMangan]

This is what you'll get ... when you mess with us.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: PBMangan
I guess no one else has heard of this suppsed study. But what a great idea for a book/movie. The earth will end in 200 years, what would people do to survive? It's like Donny Darko but everyone knows they are doomed.

No, I heard of it. That research scientist at MIT was supposed to keep his mouth shut, though. Now his family will have to be sacrificed to the sun gods. Of course, in 200 years it won't matter, but it's all about the control, baby!

 

[PBMangan]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: PBMangan
I guess no one else has heard of this suppsed study. But what a great idea for a book/movie. The earth will end in 200 years, what would people do to survive? It's like Donny Darko but everyone knows they are doomed.

No, I heard of it. That research scientist at MIT was supposed to keep his mouth shut, though. We will have to send him a "you forgot to keep your mouth shut" special delivery package to his home later. Of course, in 200 years it won't matter, but it's all about the control, baby!

I think we should send an "open your mouth wider card."

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: PBMangan

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: PBMangan
I guess no one else has heard of this suppsed study. But what a great idea for a book/movie. The earth will end in 200 years, what would people do to survive? It's like Donny Darko but everyone knows they are doomed.

No, I heard of it. That research scientist at MIT was supposed to keep his mouth shut, though. We will have to send him a "you forgot to keep your mouth shut" special delivery package to his home later. Of course, in 200 years it won't matter, but it's all about the control, baby!

I think we should send an "open your mouth wider card."

Crap! You reposted my quote before I could edit it for "accuracy" lol!

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
To be brief, we know a lot less about the sun than most scientists will admit to. They are rushing around as we speak trying to get more satellites in orbit to study the sun. The sun is also most likely not powered like we think it is. The idea that nuclear fusion or fission is powering the sun does not properly explain why the sun hasn't already run out of fuel a long time ago.

A few heretical scientists have also suggested that some of our suns anomalies could be caused due to the fact our sun has already gone supernova once, and we are now in some sort of weird after phase of this initial supernova scenario. Some other fringe scientists believe the sun has actually captured a neutron star or some such similar stellar body at some point, which was consumed by the sun and would also help account for a lot of the anomalies that the scientists keep discovering about our sun.

Introduction To The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos

Thunderbolts.Info

Basically, if we do not understand fundamentally what is actually going on with our sun, all the speculation about its age and how long it will last is just useless. Some of the recent supernovas that have been studied do not fit the mold of a class of sun that this should have happened to. In other words, scientists were at a loss to explain them using current theories to model solar behavior.

I personally feel our sun is a lot closer to its maximum lifespan than most scientists will lead you to believe. And if we were really at or near the end of our suns projected lifespan, do you think the political leaders around the world would let out this information? Nasa won't even come clean and admit Mars is not really red. We have to rely on undoctored images from the ESA to confirm this fact. Obviously there is a lot more going on out there than we will ever be privileged enough to understand, before it's too late for the human race.

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole

That actually is an interesting argument.

It is well known that you cant have any element heavier than iron without a supernova.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Fortunately we can just send a space ship to fire a gigantic nuclear bomb into the sun. When it explodes, the sun will restart, giving us billions of years before we have to worry again.

I have been testing that theory. I lit a medicine ball on fire and just as it was going out, I fired some paint balls filled with gasoline at it. So far I have experienced a 100% success rate in keeping the ball on fire.

 

[PBMangan]

I don't understand the hush hush on controversial/nutty ideas. Bring 'em out ... I want to hear them ... most have some value to ponder over.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
To be brief, we know a lot less about the sun than most scientists will admit to. They are rushing around as we speak trying to get more satellites in orbit to study the sun. The sun is also most likely not powered like we think it is. The idea that nuclear fusion or fission is powering the sun does not properly explain why the sun hasn't already run out of fuel a long time ago.

A few heretical scientists have also suggested that some of our suns anomalies could be caused due to the fact our sun has already gone supernova once, and we are now in some sort of weird after phase of this initial supernova scenario. Some other fringe scientists believe the sun has actually captured a neutron star or some such similar stellar body at some point, which was consumed by the sun and would also help account for a lot of the anomalies that the scientists keep discovering about our sun.

Introduction To The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos

Thunderbolts.Info

Basically, if we do not understand fundamentally what is actually going on with our sun, all the speculation about its age and how long it will last is just useless. Some of the recent supernovas that have been studied do not fit the mold of a class of sun that this should have happened to. In other words, scientists were at a loss to explain them using current theories to model solar behavior.

I personally feel our sun is a lot closer to its maximum lifespan than most scientists will lead you to believe. And if we were really at or near the end of our suns projected lifespan, do you think the political leaders around the world would let out this information? Nasa won't even come clean and admit Mars is not really red. We have to rely on undoctored images from the ESA to confirm this fact. Obviously there is a lot more going on out there than we will ever be privileged enough to understand, before it's too late for the human race.

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole

That actually is an interesting argument.

It is well known that you cant have any element heavier than iron without a supernova.

Our sun is a 3rd generation (Population I) star. It is composed (in small part) of elements heavier than iron because it composed of the post-supernova material of other stars, just as the earth (and our own human bodies) are.
This aspect of the standard model is well understood by scientists. Slick here is posting internet nonsense.
A star's "anomalies" are mostly related to its size and energy. The smaller the star (say a brown dwarf), the less its energy, the longer its life. In fact, most brown dwarfs will probably as long as the universe itself. Our sun falls right in the middle of all those. It won't flare brightly and die in a few million years like some, but it won't last forever and it will be prone to "anomalies" (or slight disruptions and changes in output) throughout its life. It is actually believed to be quite stable for a star of it type, despite its occasional "anomalies."
Personally, I'm fascinated by how stars work, and credit our perception of their stability merely to the perception caused by our tiny lifespans. However, I'm quite sure that the sun has many thousands of our puny lifespans left in it, flash in the pan though that will be to the universe itself.

 

[mjrpes3]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
To be brief, we know a lot less about the sun than most scientists will admit to. They are rushing around as we speak trying to get more satellites in orbit to study the sun. The sun is also most likely not powered like we think it is. The idea that nuclear fusion or fission is powering the sun does not properly explain why the sun hasn't already run out of fuel a long time ago.

A few heretical scientists have also suggested that some of our suns anomalies could be caused due to the fact our sun has already gone supernova once, and we are now in some sort of weird after phase of this initial supernova scenario. Some other fringe scientists believe the sun has actually captured a neutron star or some such similar stellar body at some point, which was consumed by the sun and would also help account for a lot of the anomalies that the scientists keep discovering about our sun.

Introduction To The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos

Thunderbolts.Info

Basically, if we do not understand fundamentally what is actually going on with our sun, all the speculation about its age and how long it will last is just useless. Some of the recent supernovas that have been studied do not fit the mold of a class of sun that this should have happened to. In other words, scientists were at a loss to explain them using current theories to model solar behavior.

I personally feel our sun is a lot closer to its maximum lifespan than most scientists will lead you to believe. And if we were really at or near the end of our suns projected lifespan, do you think the political leaders around the world would let out this information? Nasa won't even come clean and admit Mars is not really red. We have to rely on undoctored images from the ESA to confirm this fact. Obviously there is a lot more going on out there than we will ever be privileged enough to understand, before it's too late for the human race.

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole

That actually is an interesting argument.

It is well known that you cant have any element heavier than iron without a supernova.

http://www.tim-thompson.com/electric-sun.html

pwned.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
To be brief, we know a lot less about the sun than most scientists will admit to. They are rushing around as we speak trying to get more satellites in orbit to study the sun. The sun is also most likely not powered like we think it is. The idea that nuclear fusion or fission is powering the sun does not properly explain why the sun hasn't already run out of fuel a long time ago.

A few heretical scientists have also suggested that some of our suns anomalies could be caused due to the fact our sun has already gone supernova once, and we are now in some sort of weird after phase of this initial supernova scenario. Some other fringe scientists believe the sun has actually captured a neutron star or some such similar stellar body at some point, which was consumed by the sun and would also help account for a lot of the anomalies that the scientists keep discovering about our sun.

Introduction To The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos

Thunderbolts.Info

Basically, if we do not understand fundamentally what is actually going on with our sun, all the speculation about its age and how long it will last is just useless. Some of the recent supernovas that have been studied do not fit the mold of a class of sun that this should have happened to. In other words, scientists were at a loss to explain them using current theories to model solar behavior.

I personally feel our sun is a lot closer to its maximum lifespan than most scientists will lead you to believe. And if we were really at or near the end of our suns projected lifespan, do you think the political leaders around the world would let out this information? Nasa won't even come clean and admit Mars is not really red. We have to rely on undoctored images from the ESA to confirm this fact. Obviously there is a lot more going on out there than we will ever be privileged enough to understand, before it's too late for the human race.

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole

That actually is an interesting argument.

It is well known that you cant have any element heavier than iron without a supernova.

ROFL. It's "interesting", in the same way that people who believe that crystals have powers and those who believe in homeopathic medicine are interesting -- which is to say, similar to the bearded lady at the carnival.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
To be brief, we know a lot less about the sun than most scientists will admit to. They are rushing around as we speak trying to get more satellites in orbit to study the sun. The sun is also most likely not powered like we think it is. The idea that nuclear fusion or fission is powering the sun does not properly explain why the sun hasn't already run out of fuel a long time ago.

A few heretical scientists have also suggested that some of our suns anomalies could be caused due to the fact our sun has already gone supernova once, and we are now in some sort of weird after phase of this initial supernova scenario. Some other fringe scientists believe the sun has actually captured a neutron star or some such similar stellar body at some point, which was consumed by the sun and would also help account for a lot of the anomalies that the scientists keep discovering about our sun.

Introduction To The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos

Thunderbolts.Info

Basically, if we do not understand fundamentally what is actually going on with our sun, all the speculation about its age and how long it will last is just useless. Some of the recent supernovas that have been studied do not fit the mold of a class of sun that this should have happened to. In other words, scientists were at a loss to explain them using current theories to model solar behavior.

I personally feel our sun is a lot closer to its maximum lifespan than most scientists will lead you to believe. And if we were really at or near the end of our suns projected lifespan, do you think the political leaders around the world would let out this information? Nasa won't even come clean and admit Mars is not really red. We have to rely on undoctored images from the ESA to confirm this fact. Obviously there is a lot more going on out there than we will ever be privileged enough to understand, before it's too late for the human race.

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole

That actually is an interesting argument.

It is well known that you cant have any element heavier than iron without a supernova.

ROFL. It's "interesting", in the same way that people who believe that crystals have powers and those who believe in homeopathic medicine are interesting -- which is to say, similar to the bearded lady at the carnival.

Mhm.
I'm no astronomer, but that whole post makes me think someone confused astronomy with astrology or something...

 

[Blieb]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Kind of scary to think that the sun, what we take for granite, could someday be gone. Wouldn't that mean the end of Earth?

The sun is made out of granite!? Holy sheet!

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Kind of scary to think that the sun, what we take for granite, could someday be gone. Wouldn't that mean the end of Earth?

I shirley hope it woodn't.

Ha ha...you called yourself Shirley

 

[moshquerade]

we're all gonna die!!!!

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: So
That actually is an interesting argument.

It is well known that you cant have any element heavier than iron without a supernova.

ROFL. It's "interesting", in the same way that people who believe that crystals have powers and those who believe in homeopathic medicine are interesting -- which is to say, similar to the bearded lady at the carnival.[/quote]

Crystals do have power. Just give a bag of sugar to a 5 year old and you'll see!

 

[duragezic]

Originally posted by: PBMangan
I guess no one else has heard of this suppsed study. But what a great idea for a book/movie. The earth will end in 200 years, what would people do to survive? It's like Donny Darko but everyone knows they are doomed.

As mentioned, this topic has already been done. See Sunshine [2007]. It was a pretty good movie... in fact I was really pumped to watch it and liked the first bits of it, but didn't completely like how it progressed. Definitely worth a rental at least though.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
To be brief, we know a lot less about the sun than most scientists will admit to. They are rushing around as we speak trying to get more satellites in orbit to study the sun. The sun is also most likely not powered like we think it is. The idea that nuclear fusion or fission is powering the sun does not properly explain why the sun hasn't already run out of fuel a long time ago.

A few heretical scientists have also suggested that some of our suns anomalies could be caused due to the fact our sun has already gone supernova once, and we are now in some sort of weird after phase of this initial supernova scenario. Some other fringe scientists believe the sun has actually captured a neutron star or some such similar stellar body at some point, which was consumed by the sun and would also help account for a lot of the anomalies that the scientists keep discovering about our sun.

Introduction To The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos

Thunderbolts.Info

Basically, if we do not understand fundamentally what is actually going on with our sun, all the speculation about its age and how long it will last is just useless. Some of the recent supernovas that have been studied do not fit the mold of a class of sun that this should have happened to. In other words, scientists were at a loss to explain them using current theories to model solar behavior.

I personally feel our sun is a lot closer to its maximum lifespan than most scientists will lead you to believe. And if we were really at or near the end of our suns projected lifespan, do you think the political leaders around the world would let out this information? Nasa won't even come clean and admit Mars is not really red. We have to rely on undoctored images from the ESA to confirm this fact. Obviously there is a lot more going on out there than we will ever be privileged enough to understand, before it's too late for the human race.

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole

interesting read, but the source doesnt seem very credible...

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: YoungGun21
Actually the theory thought to be true is that the sun is around midlife right now... giving it much, much more than 200 million years left. Something like 6 billion I think.

has it bought a vette yet?

haha, that'd be great, take a vette, put it in a rocket, and launch it to the sun as a midlife crisis gift. Just a way to say "thank you" for being the source of all life and energy on this planet.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: PBMangan
I heard something on the radio about an MIT study saying the lifespan of the Sun was miscalulated, and it could burn out within 200 years. I was on my way out of my truck and did hear the rest of the program, and figured I check it out on the internet ... later. I can't find a thing about this supposed study. Was it a joke, a hoax? and I missed the punch line? Anyways, it seemed unlikely but I was interested anyway. Anyone else hear something along these lines?

No what you heard was with rising fuel costs we may not be able to keep the sun running in 200 years. It's costing more to get the fuel to the sun than we can carry there.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
To be brief, we know a lot less about the sun than most scientists will admit to. They are rushing around as we speak trying to get more satellites in orbit to study the sun. The sun is also most likely not powered like we think it is. The idea that nuclear fusion or fission is powering the sun does not properly explain why the sun hasn't already run out of fuel a long time ago.

A few heretical scientists have also suggested that some of our suns anomalies could be caused due to the fact our sun has already gone supernova once, and we are now in some sort of weird after phase of this initial supernova scenario. Some other fringe scientists believe the sun has actually captured a neutron star or some such similar stellar body at some point, which was consumed by the sun and would also help account for a lot of the anomalies that the scientists keep discovering about our sun.

Introduction To The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos

Thunderbolts.Info

Basically, if we do not understand fundamentally what is actually going on with our sun, all the speculation about its age and how long it will last is just useless. Some of the recent supernovas that have been studied do not fit the mold of a class of sun that this should have happened to. In other words, scientists were at a loss to explain them using current theories to model solar behavior.

I personally feel our sun is a lot closer to its maximum lifespan than most scientists will lead you to believe. And if we were really at or near the end of our suns projected lifespan, do you think the political leaders around the world would let out this information? Nasa won't even come clean and admit Mars is not really red. We have to rely on undoctored images from the ESA to confirm this fact. Obviously there is a lot more going on out there than we will ever be privileged enough to understand, before it's too late for the human race.

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole

That actually is an interesting argument.

It is well known that you cant have any element heavier than iron without a supernova.

ROFL. It's "interesting", in the same way that people who believe that crystals have powers and those who believe in homeopathic medicine are interesting -- which is to say, similar to the bearded lady at the carnival.

I didnt read the links. Just to be clear.

 

[Throckmorton]

Even if the sun WAS near the end of its life, the odds of the sun dying right now, after billions of years of burning, are slim. That's like saying your 90 year old grandfather is going to die in about 2 minutes because he's old. Well he may be old but he could live for 1 year longer, or 10 years longer and the odds that he'll die immediately are low

 

[Tylanner]

ok al gore

 

[palswim]

What's your favorite planet?


Mine's the sun!

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
To be brief, we know a lot less about the sun than most scientists will admit to. They are rushing around as we speak trying to get more satellites in orbit to study the sun. The sun is also most likely not powered like we think it is. The idea that nuclear fusion or fission is powering the sun does not properly explain why the sun hasn't already run out of fuel a long time ago.

A few heretical scientists have also suggested that some of our suns anomalies could be caused due to the fact our sun has already gone supernova once, and we are now in some sort of weird after phase of this initial supernova scenario. Some other fringe scientists believe the sun has actually captured a neutron star or some such similar stellar body at some point, which was consumed by the sun and would also help account for a lot of the anomalies that the scientists keep discovering about our sun.

Introduction To The Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos

Thunderbolts.Info

Basically, if we do not understand fundamentally what is actually going on with our sun, all the speculation about its age and how long it will last is just useless. Some of the recent supernovas that have been studied do not fit the mold of a class of sun that this should have happened to. In other words, scientists were at a loss to explain them using current theories to model solar behavior.

I personally feel our sun is a lot closer to its maximum lifespan than most scientists will lead you to believe. And if we were really at or near the end of our suns projected lifespan, do you think the political leaders around the world would let out this information? Nasa won't even come clean and admit Mars is not really red. We have to rely on undoctored images from the ESA to confirm this fact. Obviously there is a lot more going on out there than we will ever be privileged enough to understand, before it's too late for the human race.

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole

You do know that not one of those links you posted is recognized as a legitimate source, right? They could say the Death Star is powering the sun if they wanted to.

Actually, the amount of hydrogen that is powering the fusion in the sun is pretty well understood and fits with it's 10 billion year life span perfectly. When this fuel runs out, it will contract, then start burning helium. When the helium runs out, carbon will be left. Carbon is too heavy to sustain fusion, so the sun won't be able to hold itself together anymore. At this time, the atmosphere of the sun will become unstable and start to pull away...expanding all the way out past Earth's orbit. When all of it's atmosphere is shed away, all that is left is a dense carbon/oxygen rich core called a white dwarf. This core will be about the size of Earth, and eventually burn itself out like an ember. Mercury and Venus will likely be vaporized, while Earth will probably still exist as a burned cinder with an ever widening orbit- eventually being thrown into deep space with the rest of the remaining planets. This whole process alone will take about a billion years.

The behavior has been observed in 1000's of stars around the universe and is pretty well documented (not the planet part, but the expansion/death part).