Summer noobs in multiplayer games

[WelshBloke]

I agree with you, but he has a point. Online mulitplayer games are like sports. We play them for fun, and for the competition. I think it's completely understandable that someone wouldn't want to play a multiplayer game with inferior competition, the same way you wouldn't want to play a sport against inferior competition.

No really they aren't.

People may take them, and themselves too seriously, but they are just games still. Nobody would argue that Monopoly was a sport.

 

[Red Storm]

No really they aren't.

People may take them, and themselves too seriously, but they are just games still. Nobody would argue that Monopoly was a sport.

You're right, because no one said Monopoly was a sport. I said MP games are similar to sports in that both offer fun and competition.

 

[dpodblood]

Does anyone remember the 3 time back-to-back superbowl champions dallas cowboys because they had fun? No, people are remembered because they win.

A round of TF2 isn't the same as the superbowl (unless you are actually a professional gamer - who gets paid for winning tournaments). Whether you win or lose nobody is going to remember your name.

 

[WelshBloke]

You're right, because no one said Monopoly was a sport. I said MP games are similar to sports in that both offer fun and competition.

Well by that argument they have more in common with Monopoly than competitive sports.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

I agree with you, but he has a point. Online mulitplayer games are like sports. We play them for fun, and for the competition. I think it's completely understandable that someone wouldn't want to play a multiplayer game with inferior competition, the same way you wouldn't want to play a sport against inferior competition.

You don't get to go to the local playground, pick teams from whoever's there, then complain about the quality of the players.

The reality is that if you're going to play competitively, and the quality of your competition or teammates matters to you, you need to do some organizational legwork. Join a clan, join a league, organize among your friends lists. But there is setup involved.

The only reason new players would matter is if you're joining public, open to anyone games. In which case, well, that's what being to lazy to join a clan gets you.

 

[Red Storm]

Well by that argument they have more in common with Monopoly than competitive sports.

I don't know why you keep bringing up Monopoly. Look, It's very simple. Both MP games and sports have a scoring system. Why? Because a lot of people find it fun when playing in a competition, it doesn't matter if it's a sport, multiplayer shooter or board game. Competition and fun are not mutually exclusive, I hope that's not the point you're trying to make.

With that in mind, it is very understandable for someone to have less fun when playing against vastly inferior opponents, because the competition aspect is no longer there.

 

[WelshBloke]

I don't know why you keep bringing up Monopoly. Look, It's very simple. Both MP games and sports have a scoring system. Why? Because a lot of people find it fun when playing in a competition, it doesn't matter if it's a sport, multiplayer shooter or board game. Competition and fun are not mutually exclusive, I hope that's not the point you're trying to make.

With that in mind, it is very understandable for someone to have less fun when playing against vastly inferior opponents, because the competition aspect is no longer there.

No, I'm just pointing out that computer games are in no way a sport.

They are games.

Like Monopoly. :sneaky:

 

[dpodblood]

Ever heard of the "Olympic Games?" I believe they are considered sports.

 

[Texashiker]

No, I'm just pointing out that computer games are in no way a sport.

I do not consider cricket a sport, but I am sure your going to disagree with me.

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Nor would I consider soccer a sport, your just running around kicking a ball. How can that be a sport.

You dont consider computer games to be a sport? Look up Quakecon and the Cyberathlete Professional League (CPL) when you get some time.

 

[WelshBloke]

I do not consider cricket a sport, but I am sure your going to disagree with me.

Nope, cricket is a good excuse for sitting around outside a pub all day.

Why do you think it goes on so long and has breaks for meals?

 

[WelshBloke]

Ever heard of the "Olympic Games?" I believe they are considered sports.

Are they playing rounds of counter strike there now?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

No really they aren't.

People may take them, and themselves too seriously, but they are just games still. Nobody would argue that Monopoly was a sport.

Certain games are cybersports. The original Unreal Tournament (UT99) was like an online cybersport when played at the clan match/pug match level. I used to play 5v5 capture-the-flag clan and pug matches all the time and that's what it felt like--like a real sporting event--you had teammates, you had assigned positions, you had voice communication and teamwork coordination, you all had a shared goal, you had performance pressure and competition.

 

[Red Storm]

No, I'm just pointing out that computer games are in no way a sport.

They are games.

Like Monopoly. :sneaky:

I'm still looking for the part where I said MP games = sports. They are a form of competition, but I personally feel the term "sports" equates to physical competition.

I said MP games are similar to sports in that both offer fun and competition.

Similar to sports. Big difference.

You don't get to go to the local playground, pick teams from whoever's there, then complain about the quality of the players.

The reality is that if you're going to play competitively, and the quality of your competition or teammates matters to you, you need to do some organizational legwork. Join a clan, join a league, organize among your friends lists. But there is setup involved.

The only reason new players would matter is if you're joining public, open to anyone games. In which case, well, that's what being to lazy to join a clan gets you.

Thankfully, we aren't limited to the local playground with MP games. Is it so hard to realize the following scenario:

You find a public server that has an acceptable level of skill among its regular visitors and end up spending the majority of your game time playing there. Along comes a change (major sale, game goes free to play, etc.) that brings with it a lot of newbie players. Suddenly your usual "hang out" is now filled with many new players who are just learning their way around the game. The level of play you're accustomed to has been drastically lowered.

Of course there are many solutions to the above issue, it's not a major problem that can't be solved. I'm simply saying I understand the viewpoint that a flood of newbie players can degrade the level of play for a little while.

 

[Dumac]

Are they playing rounds of counter strike there now?

They are playing Starcraft in Korea right now for $$$ (grand prize could be more than a years pay for you). It is pretty competitive...if it were just a game then I'm sure they wouldn't spend almost every waking hour practicing in order to get a chance at the big bucks.

 

[WelshBloke]

Certain games are cybersports. The original Unreal Tournament (UT99) was like an online cybersport when played at the clan match/pug match level. I used to play 5v5 capture-the-flag clan and pug matches all the time and that's what it felt like--you had teammates, you had assigned positions, you had voice communication and teamwork coordination, you all had a shared goal.

There we go then, it must be a sport.

Dosnt matter that you could have been sitting in your underpants in your mums basement, stuffing cheetos into your face while playing.

 

[StinkyPinky]

With online games, I play to win, not for fun.

If I wanted to play "for fun", I would go play some single player game.

Yeah, you've missed the entire point of gaming. Nice one. :thumbsdown:

 

[Dumac]

There we go then, it must be a sport.

Dosnt matter that you could have been sitting in your underpants in your mums basement, stuffing cheetos into your face while playing.

No, it doesn't. You could play football in your underpants stuffing cheetos into your face while playing as well. You may not do well, but the same goes for competitive eSports.

Although some video game tournaments take place in stadiums, where the competitors where sponsored jerseys and play against each other in booths.

 

[dpodblood]

Yeah, you've missed the entire point of gaming. Nice one. :thumbsdown:

Exactly. Even professional and Olympic athletes enjoy what they do. If it wasn't fun why would they have gotten into it in the 1st place?

 

[WelshBloke]

They are playing Starcraft in Korea right now for $$$ (grand prize could be more than a years pay for you). It is pretty competitive...if it were just a game then I'm sure they wouldn't spend almost every waking hour practicing in order to get a chance at the big bucks.

People have competitions to see how many hotdogs they can cram down their gullets in a set time as well. They make money out of it and are pretty competitive, still doesn't make it a sport though.

 

[Dumac]

People have competitions to see how many hotdogs they can cram down their gullets in a set time as well. They make money out of it and are pretty competitive, still doesn't make it a sport though.

Only by your own illogical, mysterious idea of what a 'sport' is. You provide no reasoning behind your claims.

"X isn't a sport because I say so. " - WelshBloke

 

[Texashiker]

Yeah, you've missed the entire point of gaming. Nice one. :thumbsdown:

Exactly. Even professional and Olympic athletes enjoy what they do. If it wasn't fun why would they have gotten into it in the 1st place?

Yall can play for fun all you want.

Personally, I am playing to win.

I paid my money to buy the game, I'll play it the way I want.

 

[Dumac]

Yall can play for fun all you want.

Personally, I am playing to win.

I paid my money to buy the game, I'll play it the way I want.

I don't see anything wrong with the attitude of playing to win.

You just got make sure your teammates feel the same way.

 

[WelshBloke]

Only by your own illogical, mysterious idea of what a 'sport' is. You provide no reasoning behind your claims.

"X isn't a sport because I say so. " - WelshBloke

Its not me, just about every definition of sport uses the word "athletic" or "physical prowess" or something similar.

Just because you think its a sport doesnt make it one, and the only one here trying to redefine the word sport is you.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Some of you guys are idiots. If you go play a pick up game of basketball with some buds how would you react if someone on your team was constantly taking bad shots from beyond the three point line and tripping and elbowing people on the other team. It's just a game man, we're all just having fun. Right?

 

[greenhawk]

L4D is particularly bad for people who just don't want to play as a team. The few times I have tried playing with randoms they have just been terrible. They will run ahead constantly, and get into trouble (smokered, huntered, or trigger a hoard). Then they will bitch and complain about how everyone else sucks. They will also refuse to heal teammates or help out in any way. I've only tried playing with randoms a few time before deciding it was better to stick with friends only.

It does not take long to get to that level (ie: friend only games). But it can back fire at times. One game I joined (was friends only) had two randoms in it (basically) as one of them was one of those "must friend everyone", so you had friends of friends joinging and at that point, setting it to "friends only" does not work.

As to the noobs, I still remember one game were it was me and a steam friend and the other two must have been stream friends as well. We split up on co-op as 2v2 as the others would run forward, trip all the events, get to the end stage, use the health, then pickup the other for a spare, ignoring the us. Got to the point when they got stuck, we just left them as decoyes (ie: they get bombers, throw a pipe or moly at them. near the end, I was on black and white and they did the same health "trick" again. I just went and shot them after getting sick of mentioning it (voice and typing), espically the use health pack when on 90%.

Only play l4d with regular/common steam friends, not any others. Helps to set to expert or hard as well as even noobs are smart enough to avoid those levels (well, the "played an hour" ones are anyway. the "just new" are just clicking buttons.

Had one noob in TF on the weekend, final stange of a cart map (NFI which one now), and they said "pushing the cart is needed to win, that is how to play this map" or some such thing. 20 minutes, 2 stages, and at the last point of the third stage, well, that person had the regulars ripping into him for that.

While there is generally a lot of noobs around, it is just the really noob ones that stand out in these situations.