Sukhoi T-50

[dawp]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_russia_stealth_fighter


looks like the f-22 is going to have some competition. this will definitely make things more interesting in a few years when this enters service.

 

[K1052]

The odds of this seeing any real production in 6 years are around slim to none. Sure it's got a fancy skin but the engines, radar, communications, and pretty much everything else is just their off the shelf tech.

The Russian Air Force is a joke and a faint shadow if it's former Soviet self.

 

[StageLeft]

So they get a few good fighters. They can't even keep a single carrier in the ocean reliably. I don't see a future of the skies filled with these.

 

[Genx87]

Even if this thing actually goes into production. I highly doubt it will be the Russians who will be flying it. They can't afford their own technology anymore.

 

[Skitzer]

The F-22 funding was discontinued in the 2010 budget.
145 built, 187 planned. Shortest production run of any US fighter jet.

 

[CrimsonWolf]

Even if this thing actually goes into production. I highly doubt it will be the Russians who will be flying it. They can't afford their own technology anymore.

Ditto. If I had to guess it would probably be the Indian Air Force that actually puts it into meaningful service. They've been a major operator of Soviet/Russian fighters and overall have a mixed fleet of Western/Russian aircraft.

 

[Carmen813]

The F-22 funding was discontinued in the 2010 budget.
145 built, 187 planned. Shortest production run of any US fighter jet.

The future of air combat is not with manned fighters...despite the protests of basically every Air Force fighter pilot.

 

[Skitzer]

The future of air combat is not with manned fighters...despite the protests of basically every Air Force fighter pilot.

Tell that to the Russians LOL

 

[BladeVenom]

The future of air combat is not with manned fighters...despite the protests of basically every Air Force fighter pilot.

But right now we are living in the present. And there isn't an unmanned craft out yet that is better than the F-22.

 

[CitizenKain]

The F-22 funding was discontinued in the 2010 budget.
145 built, 187 planned. Shortest production run of any US fighter jet.

So? It was a useless plane built to make some fighter jocks happy.

 

[Pocatello]

The Russian Air Force can't afford too many, but countries like China and India will gobble them up, in fact India is already putting money into the project. Japan and Australia were denied from purchasing F-22s, I'm sure the Russians wouldn't mind selling these beauties.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Holy crap its actually real. I thought it was some Russian fantasy up until now.

 

[Pocatello]

So? It was a useless plane built to make some fighter jocks happy.

The USAF is OK as long as we don't pick fight with countries who have a decent air force. The F-15s and F-16s are getting spanked handily by countries that have the Eurofighters or SU-27, luckily, these were just training missions.

 

[TheDoc9]

The USAF is OK as long as we don't pick fight with countries who have a decent air force. The F-15s and F-16s are getting spanked handily by countries that have the Eurofighters or SU-27, luckily, these were just training missions.

Weren't those the ones where the training missions were rigged. The F-15's couldn't use the majority of their tech advantages as I understand it.

 

[piasabird]

Makes you wonder what the Chinese are working on?

From what I have been reading it looks like some people in the defense industry want to cut or scale back on some programs and increase the numbers of actual troops. Either that or this is leftover campaign rederick. Only time will tell. One item being suggested that we cut was a few billion off of the anti Missle or missle intercept program. I saw an article earlier that this was one of Mr Gates Ideas. I think he is the defense secretary or something like that.

 

[nyker96]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_russia_stealth_fighter


looks like the f-22 is going to have some competition. this will definitely make things more interesting in a few years when this enters service.

I wonder if Russian espionage service has something to do with it.

 

[cwjerome]

So? It was a useless plane built to make some fighter jocks happy.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say (with a little small-penile syndrome thrown in).

If anything, it was built to make pentagon planners and congressman happy.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Does this mean that we can finally sell export versions of the F22 to our close allies now?

 

[Double Trouble]

The USAF is OK as long as we don't pick fight with countries who have a decent air force. The F-15s and F-16s are getting spanked handily by countries that have the Eurofighters or SU-27, luckily, these were just training missions.

Something tells me that when you factor in other technology, awacs, other support etc that the US would have absolutely no problem crushing any air force on the planet in a matter of days. That's just not how wars are fought nowadays though, the days of major military vs major military are over.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The future of air combat is not with manned fighters...despite the protests of basically every Air Force fighter pilot.

Bullshit, there hasn't been ONE successfule GROUND assault by an unmanned aircraft yet, and no the last one didn't even hit the same fucking neighbourhood.

With a response time of more than 1 week i don't think there is much to say about it.

With proper air support it happens in tenths of seconds and no matter what you want to believe, that is many MANY years away.

The future of air combat is bleak because GTA missiles are getting fucking accurate, ATA tehre is not a plane that any half arsed pilot could not out maneuver.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

So? It was a useless plane built to make some fighter jocks happy.

People are not going to like it but yes.

It was useless from a ATG standpoint and even simple radar systems could lock it in the air.

The F-35 is worse.

The bloody terrorists don't have bloody radar.

So what you do is you fix targets and send in fast moving aircrafts to take them out, by the time they are heard they are still not known on radar, not if they dive and you got troop targeting.

Badabam...

 

[Babbles]

So? It was a useless plane built to make some fighter jocks happy.

This is relatively an ignorant and small-minded thing to say. While obviously budgets and congressional issues are always at stake, not to mention keeping the Pentagon interested, the sort of scientific and engineering development that goes into developing, testing, and manufacturing these types of airframes are crazy useful for society at large. Not only does the Pentagon (i.e. some "fighter jocks") as well as some congressmen get funding for manufacturing in their districts, the research of technology benefits universities and private industries which translates into technology that can be substituted into private sector research.

In a sense when looking at Defense spending, it may be suited to not only look at the end product (e.g. F-22) but look at the process and realize the benefit that society gets from such research. Think about that the next time you use your GPS app on your smartphone.

To think otherwise is, simply put, very ignorant and the opinion of an uneducated person.

 

[woolfe9999]

This is relatively an ignorant and small-minded thing to say. While obviously budgets and congressional issues are always at stake, not to mention keeping the Pentagon interested, the sort of scientific and engineering development that goes into developing, testing, and manufacturing these types of airframes are crazy useful for society at large. Not only does the Pentagon (i.e. some "fighter jocks") as well as some congressmen get funding for manufacturing in their districts, the research of technology benefits universities and private industries which translates into technology that can be substituted into private sector research.

In a sense when looking at Defense spending, it may be suited to not only look at the end product (e.g. F-22) but look at the process and realize the benefit that society gets from such research. Think about that the next time you use your GPS app on your smartphone.

To think otherwise is, simply put, very ignorant and the opinion of an uneducated person.

Interesting point. It reminds me of why we have something called the "internet" these days, and how it started.

- wolf

 

[Brovane]

Bullshit, there hasn't been ONE successfule GROUND assault by an unmanned aircraft yet, and no the last one didn't even hit the same fucking neighbourhood.

With a response time of more than 1 week i don't think there is much to say about it.

With proper air support it happens in tenths of seconds and no matter what you want to believe, that is many MANY years away.

The future of air combat is bleak because GTA missiles are getting fucking accurate, ATA tehre is not a plane that any half arsed pilot could not out maneuver.

Am I not reading this correctly? There hasn't been one succesful attack by a UAV on a ground target? A response time of more than 1-week?

Also what are you saying about SAM missiles, that they are accurate?

 

[dawp]

Am I not reading this correctly? There hasn't been one succesful attack by a UAV on a ground target? A response time of more than 1-week?

Also what are you saying about SAM missiles, that they are accurate?

no you're not, what he means is boots on the ground, I believe, not attacking from the air.

what I want to know is exactly how successful these drone attacks really are, the military says one thing and news reports say another.