Suicide bombing in Stockholm, Sweden

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This one seems to be in Sweden from somewhere in the 80's, if the article I've seen is correct. There hasn't been a shortage of Western natives, children of immigrants, that became radicals and went to terrorism.

From what i can tell you i can tell you that his family immigrated to Sweden from Iraq when he was 11 years old, he was born in 1981, there are no ties with his family to terrorism and none were known by any agency regarding him either.

There can't really be a shortage of them, can there? But in comparison to SE Asia, Russia, most of the US there weren't that many before 9/11, radicals i mean.
 
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Try again. That is one of the reasons mentioned in an email sent about 10 minutes before the explosions.

He's talking about the Sweden Democrats and the communist party of Sweden.

Are you going to pay attention to what a lunatic that blew his guts away has to say? No free society should listen to the threats of lunatics such as that guy and no free society will.
 
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So? That he would use that as an excuse was also expected.

I'd like you to respond to PhoKingGuy's earlier post regarding soldiers with automatic weapons handling immigrant looking people in Sweden.

From what i have heard from SSG guys that i have had discussions with (which came along because Zebo said that as a Swede you need to be able to provide ID and need to report to the police station once you enter another town than the one you live in) the military is excluded from acting within the nation in peace time and the Police cannot check ones ID without probable cause, you get asked for your ticket on every train (new passengers they shout and you show your ticket) and pay the fares just like everyone does whether you are an immigrant or not. One guy said there is no law that says you have to have an ID card of any sort with you except for a drivers license when you are driving but even then they can just check you up if you give then the proper info.

So what do you have to say about that?
 

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So? That he would use that as an excuse was also expected.

So don't be a partisan dbag. You can't claim "the left" will invent an excuse when it actually is one of the reasons given by the perpetrators.
 

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I'd like you to respond to PhoKingGuy's earlier post regarding soldiers with automatic weapons handling immigrant looking people in Sweden.

From what i have heard from SSG guys that i have had discussions with (which came along because Zebo said that as a Swede you need to be able to provide ID and need to report to the police station once you enter another town than the one you live in) the military is excluded from acting within the nation in peace time and the Police cannot check ones ID without probable cause, you get asked for your ticket on every train (new passengers they shout and you show your ticket) and pay the fares just like everyone does whether you are an immigrant or not. One guy said there is no law that says you have to have an ID card of any sort with you except for a drivers license when you are driving but even then they can just check you up if you give then the proper info.

So what do you have to say about that?
No, you don't need to report to a police station if you enter a town, that's ridiculous. You do not need to show ID on the train unless you have a ticket that only you specifically can use. If you are immigrant or not shouldn't matter. Police never just walk around and ask to see peoples ID, but I'm not sure if they are allowed to do that or not.
 

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So don't be a partisan dbag. You can't claim "the left" will invent an excuse when it actually is one of the reasons given by the perpetrators.
I didn't say they would invent an excuse, but that they would blame the government when this clearly is the work of a lunatic.
 

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What year was that for Mohammed? You mean much longer than 20 years.
But how many wars has the Muslim been in compare to the Christian American since WWII?
There are two problems with your rhetorical question:

1) You say Muslim vs. Christian American. "Muslim" is not attached to any particular nation, besides all of the Middle East and much of Africa. So if you put it that way, then the Middle East and Muslim African nations have been killing people and instigating wars pretty solidly since WW2 (during which, Arabs sided with the Germans).

2) The Crusades, if you really want to go back to that, were in retaliation to Muslim nations expanding and conquering Christian nations, which the Pope deemed a threat. Now, I'm not saying that the Crusades were righteous or anything like that (on the contrary - at the time, Islamic nations were way ahead of Christian nations in terms of technological advancement), but you can't say that more murders have been committed in the name of Jesus than Mohammed. And lately, the latter has been winning in kill count.
 
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No, you don't need to report to a police station if you enter a town, that's ridiculous. You do not need to show ID on the train unless you have a ticket that only you specifically can use. If you are immigrant or not shouldn't matter. Police never just walk around and ask to see peoples ID, but I'm not sure if they are allowed to do that or not.

So there is no military personel carrying automatic weapons that randomly stops people and make sure that everyone Swedish looking provides an ID?

According to Jonas Erborm of the SSG, currently serving in Afghanistan, no, the law specifically states that you are not required to carry an ID at any time.

Perhaps PhoKingGuy mistook SK for Sweden, because that's how it works in SK, but apparently not in Sweden.
 
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So don't be a partisan dbag. You can't claim "the left" will invent an excuse when it actually is one of the reasons given by the perpetrators.

Actually, from what i know, it's what the extreme right (AKA Swedish tea partiers) and the communist party believes.

Obviously, they are extremely small players in this field and needs everything they can to build up even a tiny minority, you know, like GW did with Christians against Muslims, us vs them or did you miss that?

Problem is, if the numbers provided by other posters are correct, these groups are such a minority in Sweden they don't really matter.

In the US that group was enough to have a large majority for war.
 

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Maybe it is you that need to do some reading, and find out for yourself that the American turned against Vietnam after WWII to support Imperial France therefore the Viet Minh asked the Russian for help (the enemy of my enemies is my friend). I'm surprise that you ignore that fact the France & America invaded/colonize Vietnam.

You might want to know that Pol Pot had support from the US & Briton. And, the current Cambodia prime minister Hung Sen (was one of Pol Pot Khmer Rouge commander) son is a USA West Point Graduate.

Wikipedia is a good start.

[add] A good portion of the information that I told you is what I read in the book of Dang Can Lao. It was illegal to have that book in my family possession, but it gave us in depth information regarding the Vietnam War from the Vietnamese people that were involved in the war as to how they view the North/South/American 30 years before these informations were available to the public.

I don't pretend to have significant knowledge about how Pol Pot came to power, but I just went through the Widipedia article, as you yourself suggested, and nowhere is there even a hint that Pol Pot received support from the U.S. or Britain. In fact, Wiki says Pol Pot rose to power on the heels of the North Vietnamese war against Cambodia and that he received direct support from China.

Through 1971, the Vietnamese (North Vietnamese and Viet Cong) did most of the fighting against the Cambodian government while Saloth and the Khmer Rouge functioned almost as auxiliaries to their forces. Saloth took advantage of the situation to gather in new recruits and to train them to a higher standard than previously was possible. Saloth also put resources of Khmer Rouge organizations into political education and indoctrination. While accepting anyone regardless of background into the Khmer Rouge army at this time, Saloth greatly increased the requirements for membership in the party. Students and so-called middle peasants were now rejected by the party. Those with clear peasant backgrounds were the preferred recruits for party membership. These restrictions were ironic in that most of the senior party leadership including Saloth came from student and middle peasant backgrounds. They also created an intellectual split between the educated old guard party members and the uneducated peasant new party members.

In early 1972, Saloth toured the insurgent/Vietnamese controlled areas in Cambodia. He saw a regular Khmer Rouge army of 35,000 men taking shape supported by around 100,000 irregulars. China was supplying five million dollars a year in weapons and Saloth had organized an independent revenue source for the party in the form of rubber plantations in eastern Cambodia using forced labour.

About the only thing that could remotely be construed as "support from the West" is that he went to the School of Electronics and Computer Science in Paris from the ages of 21 to 23, but flunked out in 1954.

Perhaps you could provide us with links to a disinterested analysis of Pol Pot's rise to power that supports your viewpoint . . . .
 

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Most of the people that in the group that your CIA fact book call none happens to associate themselves with Buddhism. And your CIA fact book is flawed sorry.

Are you going to call me a hippie, VC, or gooke next?

I'm not favoring any faction or group, and I'm just pointing out how corrupted the Christian/American are even those they claims to take the high road. "All men are created equal" except that the American believe that they are more equal than others.

As you said, peole associate with Buddism, ie. they lean more to Buddishm but to say 80% or more of VN peole are Buddism are wrong.

I don't think you are a commie, you just don't know much about communism. Here are some of half truth statments from you like these.

look up the Catholics that murders thousands of Buddhist in Vietnam during the war

The former S. VN government did that, Catholics did NOT do that.

Yes, it is true that there are human rights that being steps on in Vietnam, and there are some friction between the government and religions however they are allow to practice it as well as having churches and temples. (It is nowhere near the scale of injustice and human right abuse of the SVN dictatorship during the war with full support from America & the Pope.)

If you think the current commie VN governemt is not worse than former S VN government, you need help on VN history.

there are still inequality in Vietnam presently, but it is not anything like you describe in your propaganda. And, Vietnam present communism isn't any thing like the commies that you described. IMHO Vietnam presently is some where between a dictatorship/communist and democratic society.

Have you ever been back to VN lately? I have, several times. Do you know who are the richest people in VN now? They are mostly, if not all, are from government or people who know someone in high places. LOL @ democratic society. Try to walk around in Le Loi district (for those that don't know, that area is the high end business district and full of tourist) and yell out "Communist suck, down with commies". Try that and let us know how democratic they commies are.

In fact the Chinese invaded Vietnam right after the US pull out in 1975 over water/oil dispute (and the west, include the American companies were getting contracts from the Chinese to drill for oil in the dispute area since then.)

Fact, Chinese forces invaded Paracel Islands in 1974, before the VN war was over in April 30, 1975.

If the communist is so bad, then why it is perfectly safe for you an ex. S. Army offspring to visit Vietnam several times with out being arrested/kill/send to re-education camp?

LOL, are you kidding? The commie government learned that they would make a lot of money if they tolerated people making money. They welcome you to visit as long as you bring hard foreign currencies and keep your mouth shut. Try to be criticial of them and see how bad you would be treat.

If the commie governments around the world (China/Vietnam/N Korea/Cuba/etc) are not so bad, then why I don't see million and million of people risking their lives to cross the borders and enter into those countries? They sure love to come here to the evil USA.

There were infighting and atrocities from 1975~1992/93 in Vietnam, because American created instability by supported the resistant and got the international countries to place a full on embargo on Vietnam. IMHO, the true monster in this case is your beloved "Christian" American administrators.

Are you serious? The VN people suffered tremendously because of the stupidity of the commie government. They believed in idealogy instead of common sense. For example, morons that could not read or write would be in charge instead of smart/know how people. Why? Because those morons were hard core commies. The commie government finally wised up and followed "Doi Moi" or New Reform in 1986 and the ecomony of VN improved greatly (still poor but not starvation dirt poor).


There are more wrong about some of your statements but that will be enough for now.
 
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I don't pretend to have significant knowledge about how Pol Pot came to power, but I just went through the Widipedia article, as you yourself suggested, and nowhere is there even a hint that Pol Pot received support from the U.S. or Britain. In fact, Wiki says Pol Pot rose to power on the heels of the North Vietnamese war against Cambodia and that he received direct support from China.



About the only thing that could remotely be construed as "support from the West" is that he went to the School of Electronics and Computer Science in Paris from the ages of 21 to 23, but flunked out in 1954.

Perhaps you could provide us with links to a disinterested analysis of Pol Pot's rise to power that supports your viewpoint . . . .

U.S. armed Pol Pot, say eyewitnesses -- World Net Daily

Duch - 'US helped Pol Pot's rise to power' -- The Times

Us Support Of Pol Pot And Cia Secret Wars -- World News video

Remember that Britain’s SAS trained the Khmer Rouge -- Prison Planet

How Thatcher gave Pol Pot a hand -- New Statesman
 

iGas

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As you said, peole associate with Buddism, ie. they lean more to Buddishm but to say 80% or more of VN peole are Buddism are wrong.

I don't think you are a commie, you just don't know much about communism. Here are some of half truth statments from you like these.



The former S. VN government did that, Catholics did NOT do that.



If you think the current commie VN governemt is not worse than former S VN government, you need help on VN history.



Have you ever been back to VN lately? I have, several times. Do you know who are the richest people in VN now? They are mostly, if not all, are from government or people who know someone in high places. LOL @ democratic society. Try to walk around in Le Loi district (for those that don't know, that area is the high end business district and full of tourist) and yell out "Communist suck, down with commies". Try that and let us know how democratic they commies are.



Fact, Chinese forces invaded Paracel Islands in 1974, before the VN war was over in April 30, 1975.



LOL, are you kidding? The commie government learned that they would make a lot of money if they tolerated people making money. They welcome you to visit as long as you bring hard foreign currencies and keep your mouth shut. Try to be criticial of them and see how bad you would be treat.

If the commie governments around the world (China/Vietnam/N Korea/Cuba/etc) are not so bad, then why I don't see million and million of people risking their lives to cross the borders and enter into those countries? They sure love to come here to the evil USA.



Are you serious? The VN people suffered tremendously because of the stupidity of the commie government. They believed in idealogy instead of common sense. For example, morons that could not read or write would be in charge instead of smart/know how people. Why? Because those morons were hard core commies. The commie government finally wised up and followed "Doi Moi" or New Reform in 1986 and the ecomony of VN improved greatly (still poor but not starvation dirt poor).


There are more wrong about some of your statements but that will be enough for now.
Former SVN is mostly Catholics and the head of the government are all Catholics except for 1 person if I recalled correctly. DCL were the secret police force made up of 100% Catholic members who loyal to Ngo Dinh Nhu/Diem that were design to kills and intimidates who ever that they thinks are a treat to Diem personally or politically (if I remember correctly there were over 1000 members in SVN).

Is there a different between Catholic government (black shirt secret police) that kills Buddhists vs. Muslims that kills Jews/Christians?
IMHO, there is no different because they all kills under the name of their God/Allah.

The last American left Vietnam was in Apr 1975, but the pull out & end of war was 1973.

The most serious occurred in 1976, when China invaded and captured the Paracel Islands from Vietnam, and in 1988, when Chinese and Vietnamese navies clashed at Johnson Reef in the Spratly Islands, sinking several Vietnamese boats and killing over 70 sailors.

Go read some real history that is written by other sources than the American and sees what really went on over there (read up on how the American join force with Red Commies China & Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot to attack Vietnam.) Google: Pol Pot US Britain.

Vietnam was in bad shape for almost 20 years after the war because of the American that spear headed the embargo on Vietnam (read up dirty American secret CIA wars in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.)

I have criticized the Vietnamese Communist Government to their Custom Officers went I visit Vietnam in 1993, and they warned me. Try criticize a Jews at their rally or Bush at his rally and see how fast the secret service and/or mob on top of you.

You sir are brain washed with missed informations and Western/former SVNA bias propagandas.

I'm surprise that you dive into attacking me with out full knowledge of Vietnamese history and wars history.
 
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Are you serious? The VN people suffered tremendously because of the stupidity of the commie government. They believed in idealogy instead of common sense. For example, morons that could not read or write would be in charge instead of smart/know how people. Why? Because those morons were hard core commies. The commie government finally wised up and followed "Doi Moi" or New Reform in 1986 and the ecomony of VN improved greatly (still poor but not starvation dirt poor).


There are more wrong about some of your statements but that will be enough for now.
Yes I'm serious.

By your account 2 millions or more lost of lives in Vietnam is all caused by the Commies all by them self with out the American sticking their head into it.

And, if the Vietnamese commies are the one that doing the killing then how the hell did 58,000 died & 150,000 wounded American in Vietnam instead of in land of the USA. Yeah, the Vietnamese went over to the USA and drags them bodies to Vietnam and maim the rest.
 

iGas

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There are two problems with your rhetorical question:

1) You say Muslim vs. Christian American. "Muslim" is not attached to any particular nation, besides all of the Middle East and much of Africa. So if you put it that way, then the Middle East and Muslim African nations have been killing people and instigating wars pretty solidly since WW2 (during which, Arabs sided with the Germans).

2) The Crusades, if you really want to go back to that, were in retaliation to Muslim nations expanding and conquering Christian nations, which the Pope deemed a threat. Now, I'm not saying that the Crusades were righteous or anything like that (on the contrary - at the time, Islamic nations were way ahead of Christian nations in terms of technological advancement), but you can't say that more murders have been committed in the name of Jesus than Mohammed. And lately, the latter has been winning in kill count.
Are we doing body counts now to see who is in the right?

Hmmm.....how many Iraqis or Afghans has died under the US banner (Christian country) in the recent history?
 

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Former SVN is mostly Catholics and the head of the government are all Catholics except for 1 person if I recalled correctly.

The last American left Vietnam was in Apr 1975, but the pull out & end of war was 1973.

The most serious occurred in 1976, when China invaded and captured the Paracel Islands from Vietnam, and in 1988, when Chinese and Vietnamese navies clashed at Johnson Reef in the Spratly Islands, sinking several Vietnamese boats and killing over 70 sailors.

Go read some real history that is written by other sources than the American and sees what really went on over there (read up on how the American join force with Red Commies China & Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot to attack Vietnam.) Google: Pol Pot US Britain.

Vietnam was in bad shape for almost 20 years after the war because of the American that spear headed the embargo on Vietnam (read up dirty American secret CIA wars in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.)

I have criticized the Vietnamese Communist Government to their Custom Officers went I visit Vietnam in 1993, and they warned me. Try criticize a Jews at their rally or Bush at his rally and see how fast the secret service and/or mob on top of you.

You sir are brain washed with missed informations and Western/former SVNA bias propagandas.

I'm surprise that you dive into attacking me with out full knowledge of Vietnamese history and wars history.

Again, I said the former SVN government did that. NOT (all) Catholics did as you implied. Is it fair to say all US military did bad things when a small group of US soldiers badly treat Iraqi prisoners? I don't think so.

China attacked and took Paracel Islands in 1974 and NOT 1976. Sources = http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/spratly-claims.htm and http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0837561.html. Even Wiki that you love to cite says so. Ask any SVN Navy officer and he would tell you what year. Tell me again who gets the facts straight and who is not?

VN war was not over until 1975. Americans did not get involve with direct fighting after 1973 but still involve until April 30th, 1975.

You see, in America, you can be critical of the government openly and nothing will happend to you. Try that in a commie country, ie. openly be critical in PUBLIC and NOT to another commie officer as you did and see how you will be treat.

Again, you still haven't answer why MILLION and MILLION of people are dying to get in the "evil" USA instead of commie countries. Why is that?

Goodness, you really think VN people suffered from 1975 to 1985 was due to US government embargo and NOT because of commie VN governemt stupid policies? I hate to cite Wiki but they say this
The government embarked on a mass campaign of collectivization of farms and factories. This caused an economic collapse and resulted in triple-digit inflation. Reconstruction of the war-ravaged country was slow, and serious humanitarian and economic problems confronted the communist regime. Millions of people fled the country in crudely built boats, creating an international humanitarian crisis.[29][30]
In 1978, the Vietnamese army invaded Cambodia (sparking the Cambodian-Vietnamese War) to remove from power the Khmer Rouge—who had been razing Vietnamese border villages and massacring the inhabitants,[31] installing a regime whose leaders rule until 1989.[32] This action worsened relations with China, which launched a brief incursion into northern Vietnam (the Sino-Vietnamese War) in 1979.[33] This conflict caused Vietnam to rely even more heavily on Soviet economic and military aid.
Đổi Mới (renovation)

At the Sixth Congress of the Communist Party of Vietnam in December 1986, reformers, upset by the lack of economic progress after the Vietnam War,[34] replaced the "old guard" with new leadership.[35] The reformers were led by 71 year-old Nguyen Van Linh, who became the party's new general secretary.[35] Linh was a native of northern Vietnam who had served in the south both during and after the war.[34][35] In a historic shift, the reformers implemented free-market reforms known as Đổi Mới (renovation), which carefully managed the transition from a planned economy to a "socialist-oriented market economy".[36][37]
With the authority of the state remaining unchallenged, private ownership of farms and companies engaged in commodity production, deregulation and foreign investment were encouraged while the state maintained control over strategic industries.[37] The economy of Vietnam subsequently achieved rapid growth in agricultural and industrial production, construction and housing, exports and foreign investment. However, these reforms have also caused a rise in inequalities in many spheres of social life, such as income and gender inequality.[7][8][9][10]

I am not attacking you per se. I just don't like people that keep saying the US is bad/evil and commie government is good or better YET they are still living in the US or Western countries.

One more thing, if the US is so bad, why are you still here (Western country)? Why don't you move back to VN and live with them commies and share some commie brotherly love and understanding? :awe:
 
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You seem to be confusing the rise of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to power in 1975 - for which there's absolutely no credible evidence whatsoever that the U.S. gave Pol Pot their support - with the post-January-1979 period when China, the U.S., and Britain used the Khmer Rouge as one insurgent force in a proxy war in Cambodia against the Vietnamese. Note that the Khmer Rouge never regained power.

Frankly, I really question your objectivity if you're claiming that the U.S. is somehow responsible for the genocide and other atrocities committed by the Khmer Rouge in the 1975 to 1978 period.
 

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Again, I said the former SVN government did that. NOT (all) Catholics did as you implied. Is it fair to say all US military did bad things when a small group of US soldiers badly treat Iraqi prisoners? I don't think so.

China attacked and took Paracel Islands in 1974 and NOT 1976. Sources = http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/spratly-claims.htm and http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0837561.html. Even Wiki that you love to cite says so. Ask any SVN Navy officer and he would tell you what year. Tell me again who gets the facts straight and who is not?

VN war was not over until 1975. Americans did not get involve with direct fighting after 1973 but still involve until April 30th, 1975.

You see, in America, you can be critical of the government openly and nothing will happend to you. Try that in a commie country, ie. openly be critical in PUBLIC and NOT to another commie officer as you did and see how you will be treat.

Again, you still haven't answer why MILLION and MILLION of people are dying to get in the "evil" USA instead of commie countries. Why is that?

Goodness, you really think VN people suffered from 1975 to 1985 was due to US government embargo and NOT because of commie VN governemt stupid policies? I hate to cite Wiki but they say this


I am not attacking you per se. I just don't like people that keep saying the US is bad/evil and commie government is good or better YET they are still living in the US or Western countries.

One more thing, if the US is so bad, why are you still here (Western country)? Why don't you move back to VN and live with them commies and share some commie brotherly love? :awe:
I'm not living in the US, and my dad refused to move there even those we had connections and people that were willing to sponsored us.

I have to agree that the communist are evil and my dad taught me that they takes everything from you and then kill you. My dad also said that the American are also evil, and they do steal from you but they will leave you a bit of food and keeps you alive then kill you when they finish using you.

IMHO, both Communist and American are evil.
 

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You seem to be confusing the rise of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to power in 1975 - for which there's absolutely no credible evidence whatsoever that the U.S. gave Pol Pot their support - with the post-January-1979 period when China, the U.S., and Britain used the Khmer Rouge as one insurgent force in a proxy war in Cambodia against the Vietnamese. Note that the Khmer Rouge never regained power.

Frankly, I really question your objectivity if you're claiming that the U.S. is somehow responsible for the genocide and other atrocities committed by the Khmer Rouge in the 1975 to 1978 period.
Did you read every articles, specially this one?

American soldiers speak out
"I served with the 374th Tactical Airlift Wing following the 1973 cease-fire in Vietnam," said Tom Berta in a recent interview with WorldNetDaily.

"I went to Utapao RTAFB Thailand in June of that year. We had seven C-130 aircraft, and by mid-July we had 20 and were doing the bulk of the 374th's airlifts. We ran guns into Cambodia, lots of guns, 50 flights a day in July and August.

"I was there in Thailand and watched the C-130's get loaded every day from June through Sept 1973. I personally flew with our aircraft on many occasions, at least 20. The CIA exercised what it called the 'Third Option' and sold arms to the Khmer Rouge," said Berta.

Nina Morrison, a former pilot with the CIA front company Air America, refused to undertake any flights to arm and supply the Khmer Rouge.

"The SAS were there doing training in Cambodia all right," Morrison told WorldNetDaily. "Just like they were involved recently in East Timor."

Mr. Nol at the Memorial Stupa at The Killing Fields. His brother was killed by Pol Pot's henchmen.

"The world in general has become a lot more complicated. As such, journalism must also adapt and become more thorough and complex to put all of the missing pieces together. In regard to the Khmer Rouge, this is dangerous work indeed," said Morrison. "True history has a way of disappearing into the night."

In regard to the alleged American involvement with the Khmer Rouge, Morrison added, "I do not have words to express my disappointment in our government's position in world affairs, for it does not reflect the foundation upon which this great Republic was created."

Even those we don't agree on the point regarding America at the moment.

But, it seems that you agree with me that communist China and Vietnam never was friendly. I hope that you can agree with me that your administration lied to you regarding the domino effect that China supported Vietnam and spread communism though out SE/S. Asia (that was the argument for the US to go to war.)

That said, the first thing China did at the tail end of the war was grabbed the oil field in Vietnam water, that indicated the American had other motives when they involved themselves in Vietnam (French found oil in Vietnam water during the early~mid 50s).

The first thing that the American secured in Iraq was oil wells, that suggests there is a link between oil and America wars involvement (in Vietnam & Iraq). Could it be America go to war because they are greedy for oil if not evil?
 
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Did you read every articles, specially this one?

Yes, I read that. And I can find you a million "eyewitness" accounts by individuals that space aliens abducted them, or that Obama is a Russian agent, or that we never actually landed men on the moon. Individual, anecdotal statements mean nothing.

YOU were the one who said, "Wikipedia is a good start." Well, Wikipedia doesn't say anything about what you claim.

Professional historians living in free countries are not usually in the propaganda business. If there's well-documented evidence that supports what you claim, there would be a consensus among historians that the U.S. supported Pol Pot in his rise to power in 1975.

Note that under the U.S. Freedom of Information act, classified documents more than 25 years old are subject to FOI disclosure, assuming there's no continuing threat to U.S. security. Many, many cold-war era de-classifications have occurred, including U.S. actions in Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia. Pol Pot's rise to power is now more than 35 years old. Do you REALLY think that if the U.S. engaged in covert support of Pol Pot FOI disclosures wouldn't have blown the lid off of those actions by now?
 

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Yes, I read that. And I can find you a million "eyewitness" accounts by individuals that space aliens abducted them, or that Obama is a Russian agent, or that we never actually landed men on the moon. Individual, anecdotal statements mean nothing.

YOU were the one who said, "Wikipedia is a good start." Well, Wikipedia doesn't say anything about what you claim.

Professional historians living in free countries are not usually in the propaganda business. If there's well-documented evidence that supports what you claim, there would be a consensus among historians that the U.S. supported Pol Pot in his rise to power in 1975.

Note that under the U.S. Freedom of Information act, classified documents more than 25 years old are subject to FOI disclosure, assuming there's no continuing threat to U.S. security. Many, many cold-war era de-classifications have occurred, including U.S. actions in Viet Nam, Laos, and Cambodia. Pol Pot's rise to power is now more than 35 years old. Do you REALLY think that if the U.S. engaged in covert support of Pol Pot FOI disclosures wouldn't have blown the lid off of those actions by now?
Nope!

There are shits that so stinks that the American Gov't keep a tight lid on it. And, check my edit on the last post of the parallel between Iraq and Vietnam over oil. And, you have been duped by your beloved administration.

PS. You don't have to believe anything you read, however sticking your head in the sand isn't going to help.
 

CanOWorms

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I'm not living in the US, and my dad refused to move there even those we had connections and people that were willing to sponsored us.

I have to agree that the communist are evil and my dad taught me that they takes everything from you and then kill you. My dad also said that the American are also evil, and they do steal from you but they will leave you a bit of food and keeps you alive then kill you when they finish using you.

IMHO, both Communist and American are evil.

Are you living in Canada?