Suicide bombing in Stockholm, Sweden

[OutHouse]

Sorry that kind of shit is long over, yes there are still inequality in Vietnam presently, but it is not anything like you describe in your propaganda.

Bullshit. go over there right now and start saying bad shit in public about the communist and see what happens to you.

 

[OutHouse]

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Originally Posted by Infohawk View Post
Pakistan v. India.

Iran-Iraq. Incited by the US

Iraq-Kuwait. Iraq got the nod from America for the go a head, then America back stabled them.

The many wars with Israel. And, Israel absolutely the innocent party in this situation (thieving lands & water among other acts isn't popular with all race/religion, and that include the true Jewish faith)

Muslim countries aren't exactly peace-loving. So as America/Israel/Russia/China/etc....
Edit for clarity.

just curious on how old you are.

 

[iGas]

iGas, are you a commie or commie lover? Geez, if you think the Vietnam commie government is so good, why don't you move back to VN and live with them? See if them commies will let you make outlandish statements like you did in your posts.

Oh, cite your source on your statement "80% or more are Buddhist". Wiki doesn't count. My source from the CIA World Fact Book says "Buddhist 9.3%, Catholic 6.7%, Hoa Hao 1.5%, Cao Dai 1.1%, Protestant 0.5%, Muslim 0.1%, none 80.8% (1999 census)"

Most of the people that in the group that your CIA fact book call none happens to associate themselves with Buddhism. And your CIA fact book is flawed sorry.

Are you going to call me a hippie, VC, or gooke next?

I'm not favoring any faction or group, and I'm just pointing out how corrupted the Christian/American are even those they claims to take the high road. "All men are created equal" except that the American believe that they are more equal than others.

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Diem indignantly replied that Buddhist leaders are "damned fools" to think that he is trying to suppress their religion. "I don't forget," he says, "that 80% of the votes that elected me President were Buddhist votes." -- over 90% of the people supposedly vote for Diem.

By the information of Catholic Hierarchy Catalog, there are 5,658,000 Catholics in Vietnam, representing 6.87% of the total population.[1] There are 26 dioceses (including three archdioceses) with 2228 parishes and 2668 priests.

From 1954 to 1975, Vietnam was split into North and South Vietnam. In a country where surveys of the religious composition estimated the Buddhist majority to be between 70 and 90 percent... -- excerpt from a Vietnamese Catholic

 

[Pocatello]

Maybe it is you that need to do some reading, and find out for yourself that the American turned against Vietnam after WWII to support Imperial France therefore the Viet Minh asked the Russian for help (the enemy of my enemies is my friend). I'm surprise that you ignore that fact the France & America invaded/colonize Vietnam.

You might want to know that Pol Pot had support from the US & Briton. And, the current Cambodia prime minister Hung Sen (was one of Pol Pot Khmer Rouge commander) son is a USA West Point Graduate.

Wikipedia is a good start.

[add] A good portion of the information that I told you is what I read in the book of Dang Can Lao. It was illegal to have that book in my family possession, but it gave us in depth information regarding the Vietnam War from the Vietnamese people that were involved in the war as to how they view the North/South/American 30 years before these informations were available to the public.

It is all about which side your on isn't it. N. Korea views Americans as invaders for helping S. Korea. N. Vietnam viewed Americans as invaders for helping S. Vietnam. Millions of Catholics fled N. Vietnam after Vietnam was divided, and millions more fled to foreign countries after 1975 when the communists took control of the whole country. It was real terror which managed to put that much fear into people to abandon their country and everything they ever had to flee like that. But people like you blame America for the ruthlessness of the communists. Sure the S. Vietnamese government was no angel, but you didn't see millions of people from South Vietnam fleeing up North even with the American "invaders". When people flee for their lives with nothing except for the clothes they wear, they don't go to communist countries, they want to go to evil places like the U.S.A.

 

[iGas]

It is all about which side your on isn't it. N. Korea views Americans as invaders for helping S. Korea. N. Vietnam viewed Americans as invaders for helping S. Vietnam. Millions of Catholics fled N. Vietnam after Vietnam was divided, and millions more fled to foreign countries after 1975 when the communists took control of the whole country. It was real terror which managed to put that much fear into people to abandon their country and everything they ever had to flee like that. But people like you blame America for the ruthlessness of the communists. Sure the S. Vietnamese government was no angel, but you didn't see millions of people from South Vietnam fleeing up North even with the American "invaders". When people flee for their lives with nothing except for the clothes they wear, they don't go to communist countries, they want to go to evil places like the U.S.A.

I'm not so sure as to millions, but perhaps hundred of thousands. There are non Catholics that escaped Vietnam as well. As for Viet American, most were ex army pat therefore they got them self a ticket to better life economic. Please don't give me that BS that your family left because of persecution.

True that not many people went north, but there were volunteers (mostly students), went North from South to join the Communist.

Like I said, before Vietnam wouldn't be in such bad shape and millions wouldn't have lost their lives if the American stayed out of Vietnam.

Just like now the Muslim in Iraq suddenly built up an urge to blow themselves up, because America invasion/occupation have nothing to do with it.

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http://www.migrationinformation.org...reign born from Vietnam in the United States. --- This is a bold statement, but I dare say that less than 1/2 are Catholic.

According to Wikipedia there are 1,642,950 Vietnamese in the US, and "as much as 23% of the total Vietnamese American population" are Catholics.

 

[chucky2]

I posted in another thread that the regular loonies here were slipping, and that we needed new ones...ones like AzN. Ding ding ding! We've got one! It's VietnameseAzN...where's the popcorn emoticon?

Chuck

 

[jc218guard]

Sweden really got lucky, only a craziest muslim terorist got kill. It is just shocking, even a cartoon can drive a guy to mass murder innocent people. I guess there are alot of those craziest people, evidence after the the cartoon scandal.

 

[JimmiG]

Does anyone know if the suicide bomber also mentioned anything about the Swedish royal family? I wonder if the fact that the state supports the concept of a 'superior' bloodline also was part of his motivation. How can one truly be happy if the government looks at you like a serf or a peasant?

The royal family has nothing to do with anything. The monarch's role is only symbolic. They've had no real power for well over a hundred years, they're just a source of gossip and entertainment.

This is actually true. I have a Swedish friend who travels frequently between here and there. He said even as an American citizen with no swedish accent at all he will rarely get carded/asked for his ID/train ticket anywhere. While those of brown/black color get accosted much more frequently (by automatic gun equipped soldiers nonetheless) for the same information. Hes 100% Swede and even he said they are a racist and xenophobic people.

It's true that whites don't get carded etc. as frequently, but I'm pretty sure the same is true elsewhere, including the US. If a group of men of arabic origin entered a subway car or bus, I'm sure many would feel nervous and uneasy. Most people would understand that it's an irrational fear, but some might call the police or get off at the next stop... That's the result of media constantly inducing fear by showing footage of arabs blowing stuff up, threatening "the west" etc. Not to mention air travel in the USA, which is a lot of hassle if you're of middle-eastern origin.

The police is only allowed to draw weapons under extreme circumstances. When this happens, it makes the news nationwide (even if no shots were fired), and the officer is taken off duty for months while the "incident" is investigated. This is not something that happens routinely.

What is your impression based on?

Sweden is one of the most xenophobic and racist countries in the world. Even back in 1997, the last time a comprehensive Europe-wide poll on the subject was taken, 58% of the Swedes described themselves as racists. Since then the far-right has changed the landscape. A few months ago a Nazi-like political party won 20 seats in Parliament.

Sweden has taken in more immigrants per capita than most. While it's true that there is some tension between native swedes and immigrants (and between different groups of immigrants), it's nothing like that. The Sweden Democrats are not a nazi-like parti. They have roots in Nazi-like parties, but since 1995, they've been working to "fix" their image. In fact, 14% of the party members are of immigrant origin themselves (in some municipalities, that number is more than 50%). Many are Christians from the middle east who fled persecution in their home countries, and are now finding themselves being harassed once again by some muslims here in Sweden. Some muslims also joined the party, either because they're feeling frustrated with the failure of Swedish integration policies or because of the party's hostility towards homosexuality (no, they don't want to kill homosexuals in gas chambers, but they don't support marriage or the adoption of childs by homosexual couples. That's no different from the republicans in the US).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats#Immigration

I don't like defending the party, because I certainly don't agree with some of their views, but spreading lies benefits no one. Also, they only got 5.7% of the votes, which is not enough to make a difference. At best, they can support and vote with the opposition (the social democrats, left party and green party) in parliament, but that's only useful when they actually agree with them.

 

[biostud]

yay for religion of peace!

at least we havent had any suicide bombers being successful yet over here. apparently we are doing something better than the Europeans.

Maybe not suicide bombers but.....

Oklahoma
World Trade center 1993

 

[SamurAchzar]

Maybe not suicide bombers but.....

Oklahoma
World Trade center 1993

Adolf Hitler 1939. What does it have to do with anything? When Christians systematically and repeatedly commit terror in the name of Christianity, you can complain. You see? It's about the motives, not the association.

 

[biostud]

Adolf Hitler 1939. What does it have to do with anything? When Christians systematically and repeatedly commit terror in the name of Christianity, you can complain. You see? It's about the motives, not the association.

uhm, I'm just questioning what US does better than Europe regarding suicide bombers? It's just a very weird statement. Both European countries and US has their part in creating and fighting terror, I don't see it as a contest between Europe and US. Europe and US want the same, each in their own fashion.

 

[epidemis]

Adolf Hitler 1939. What does it have to do with anything? When Christians systematically and repeatedly commit terror in the name of Christianity, you can complain. You see? It's about the motives, not the association.

The crusades, medievals

Not that I disagree you Samur. Don't see any other people sending suicide bombs into foreign countries in the name of a religion

 

[SamurAchzar]

uhm, I'm just questioning what US does better than Europe regarding suicide bombers? It's just a very weird statement. Both European countries and US has their part in creating and fighting terror, I don't see it as a contest between Europe and US. Europe and US want the same, each in their own fashion.

Europe is an extremely soft target. Europeans lack the expertise and the intelligence data required to successfully foil terrorist attacks, and the Muslim ghettos are an ideal breeding habitat for extremists.

The part that is the most ironic - yet saddest - about Europe's conduct is that in granting human rights, freedom and prosperity to millions of Muslim immigrants, they've given up on their own.

The crusades, medievals

No religion is free from its dark times. However other religions moved from the realms of the political establishment into being just that - a religion - and Islam still hasn't. The concept of secularism and separation of church and state is simply not found under Islam, or more importantly, in the place where Muslims are the majority.

 

[CanOWorms]

Sweden has taken in more immigrants per capita than most.

Only 13.4% of people in Sweden are born outside the country. I wonder what the number would be if we factor out those born in other EU countries.

While it's true that there is some tension between native swedes and immigrants (and between different groups of immigrants), it's nothing like that. The Sweden Democrats are not a nazi-like parti. They have roots in Nazi-like parties, but since 1995, they've been working to "fix" their image. In fact, 14% of the party members are of immigrant origin themselves (in some municipalities, that number is more than 50%). Many are Christians from the middle east who fled persecution in their home countries, and are now finding themselves being harassed once again by some muslims here in Sweden. Some muslims also joined the party, either because they're feeling frustrated with the failure of Swedish integration policies or because of the party's hostility towards homosexuality (no, they don't want to kill homosexuals in gas chambers, but they don't support marriage or the adoption of childs by homosexual couples. That's no different from the republicans in the US).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats#Immigration

They have roots in Nazism. Who cares what they do to try to fix their image. They are what they are.

I don't like defending the party, because I certainly don't agree with some of their views, but spreading lies benefits no one. Also, they only got 5.7% of the votes, which is not enough to make a difference. At best, they can support and vote with the opposition (the social democrats, left party and green party) in parliament, but that's only useful when they actually agree with them.

They were enough to make a difference. They prevented the center-right alliance from obtaining a majority. Not only that, they will infect mainstream parties with their policies. It has happened time and time again throughout Europe.

Europeans tend to dismiss these types of things too often. Yes, you like to think of your country as open and accepting of others. But when minorities become visible, what happens? Throughout Europe they are persecuted, oppressed, raped, or killed. And everyone just likes to ignore it and pretend that they live in an open, fair, and accepting society while their next door neighbor from Syria is screaming for help because his family is being raped and murdered by far-right crazies.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Europe is an extremely soft target. Europeans lack the expertise and the intelligence data required to successfully foil terrorist attacks, and the Muslim ghettos are an ideal breeding habitat for extremists.

The part that is the most ironic - yet saddest - about Europe's conduct is that in granting human rights, freedom and prosperity to millions of Muslim immigrants, they've given up on their own.

Sometimes, when you know absolutely nothing about something, it's better to just shut the fuck up about it instead of making shit up and pretending that you actually know something.

The intelligence networks have foiled a great deal of attacks and a lot of arrests have been made all over Europe.

But no, one lone fuck who didn't have any major connections to anything isn't going to be watched at all times so every once in a while, you'll get some twat that manages to blow himself up.

You should bloody well know that, shouldn't you?

 

[biostud]

Europe is an extremely soft target. Europeans lack the expertise and the intelligence data required to successfully foil terrorist attacks, and the Muslim ghettos are an ideal breeding habitat for extremists.

The part that is the most ironic - yet saddest - about Europe's conduct is that in granting human rights, freedom and prosperity to millions of Muslim immigrants, they've given up on their own.

... I thought the terrorists mostly were bred in places lige Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen etc.

Just like any other group of people some are nice and some should not be allowed to live, but because some become terrorist I don't blame all other muslims. I see people as individuals.

 

[Infohawk]

Dude, keep in mind that COW believes Churchill was worse than Hitler and that London should be bombed because of the UK's actions after the Gulf Oil spill.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Dude, keep in mind that COW believes Churchill was worse than Hitler and that London should be bombed because of the UK's actions after the Gulf Oil spill.

He's insane, what's your excuse?

Just ignore the bloody twat and maybe he'll go away.

 

[CanOWorms]

Dude, keep in mind that COW believes Churchill was worse than Hitler and that London should be bombed because of the UK's actions after the Gulf Oil spill.

Dude, keep in mind that Infohawk believes that Churchill's racial hatred that led to the deaths of millions of non-whites was divine in nature and that the US should prostate itself in front of the UK's Queen.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Sometimes, when you know absolutely nothing about something, it's better to just shut the fuck up about it instead of making shit up and pretending that you actually know something.

The intelligence networks have foiled a great deal of attacks and a lot of arrests have been made all over Europe.

But no, one lone fuck who didn't have any major connections to anything isn't going to be watched at all times so every once in a while, you'll get some twat that manages to blow himself up.

You should bloody well know that, shouldn't you?

They never, ever work alone, always part of communities or have some high-up religious authorities supporting them, and EU intelligence is in a very poor state, relying on US and Israel to pass warnings. It's pathetic to see what has become of Europe.

 

[Jaskalas]

What sucks about a terrorist blowing himself, and only himself, up? Personally, I think that is a job well done.

There are more where that came from. That's what sucks.

This is a symptom of a very large and powerful problem.

 

[SamurAchzar]

... I thought the terrorists mostly were bred in places lige Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen etc.

This one seems to be in Sweden from somewhere in the 80's, if the article I've seen is correct. There hasn't been a shortage of Western natives, children of immigrants, that became radicals and went to terrorism.

Just like any other group of people some are nice and some should not be allowed to live, but because some become terrorist I don't blame all other muslims. I see people as individuals.

I do blame the Muslims, not on the individual level but on the society/cultural level. I don't wish any harm to individual Muslim, but I would certainly like to see their society torn apart and rebuilt on 21st century values.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

They never, ever work alone, always part of communities or have some high-up religious authorities supporting them, and EU intelligence is in a very poor state, relying on US and Israel to pass warnings. It's pathetic to see what has become of Europe.

REALLY? It's actually the other way around, MI6 along with Europol have been monitoring the less noticeable groups and reported to the US for a long time, Israel have never really been involved with this at all except when there have been arrests made, all in all, about three instances over the last 16 years.

I'm not saying that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, i'm TELLING YOU that you don't have the faintest fucking clue what you are talking about.

ALL arrests made were made based on the cooperation of European security agencies and a number of attacks were thwarted.

This guy was a guy that no one knew much about, he'd been to Luton which i could agree should ring a warning bell but he had no suppliers, NO major connections at all and again, i'm not just saying that, I'M TELLING YOU, i'm privvy to the MI6 info on this guy and i'm privvy to the info shared with SAPO, the Swedish secret service.

This is a guy who had no terrorist ties who made simple pipe bombs (same kind the IRA used to use and same type too) made at home and decided to end his life for Allah.

You should also know why i said that this is something you should know, the Israeli defense is based on a wall and checkpoints, before that no matter how much intelligence was shared (and it was) this happened more in Israel than anywhere else, we can't put up walls and checkpoints in Europe so we'll have to suffer the consequences of having free societies.

 

[yllus]

My morning paper has a roundup of news about the bomber:

But as British newspapers reported, Wahab was an angry young man. He was radicalized while living in Luton, north of London, and attending university there.

Qadeer Baksh, chairman of the Luton Islamic Centre, told the Daily Telegraph al-Abdaly believed Western governments had no right to involve themselves in Iraq or Afghanistan and urged others to “take matters into their own hands” because traditional mosques were not proactive enough.

” ‘He was very nice, a gentle, bubbly character,’ Mr. Baksh said. ‘People liked him and he was very helpful to them. [But] some of the members brought it to my attention that his views were extreme so I challenged him.’

After one such challenge, Baksh said al-Abdaly ‘stormed out” and was not seen at the mosque again.’ ”

Over at the blogging side of the Telegraph, Ed West says the incident shows once again that British universities are a threat to world peace.

“In Britain, where a hyper-sexual youth culture that glorifies violence (how many jihadis were formerly Ali G-alike hip-hop fans? I’ve lost count) adds to those problems. Our universities have become recruiting grounds for Islamism, beginning with our first suicide bombers Asif Muhammad Hanif and Omar Khan Sharif, two young men who became just the latest in a long line of embittered losers who blamed the Jews for all their failures.

This process has been aided by a lazy arrogance by university authorities, who have allowed radical preachers on to campuses whose views on women, gays and inter-faith relations make Terry Jones look like a tedious wet liberal. Among them is University College London, alma mater of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the underpants bomber, who was radicalised there. It’s particularly ironic as UCL was established to allow Dissenters, Catholics and Jews to go to university, and to free education from theocratic control.”

 

[Ldir]

Well, we have quite a few idiot far left people in Sweden. They will no doubt blame this on the presence of swedish forces in Afghanistan.

Try again. That is one of the reasons mentioned in an email sent about 10 minutes before the explosions.