Suggestions for Overclocking Guide next week

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Guys guys, who said anything about no cooling? I've tested out plenty of Athlon and P4 coolers and I'm going to recommend one for the overclocking guide. Just as I have tested out the 2500+ 1.65V Barton on virtually every Socket A board in existence or every 2.4C on every P4 board in existence (yeah oldfart, I was thinking of going 2.8C instead). Now I'm currently testing the 2500+ mobile AXP to see how it'll perform on the Socket A boards I had the most success with, and then I'll recommend it if it's the best solution.

All the performance tests, temp tests, etc. you want done are for reviews, not guides. You guys are getting ahead of yourselves.

But anyway, thanks for the suggestions, that'll be perfect for new motherboard testing. Wes and I will discuss.

Maybe I'm missing the point of these guides. What exactly is the point of them? Not being sarcastic, I'm seriously asking... the point of them is to inform us of or about.... what?

I think they're basically suggesting a shopping list for the potential buyer of a {budget system, midline system, high-end system, overclockers'-special system}, with primary, alternate, and honorable-mention items for each position in the kit. Warm?

Yes, that's exactly right. Not everyone that reads AnandTech is uber cool like us and keeps up-to-date on hardware 24/7 you know.

I see. Well then could you (and the others at AnandTech) include overclocking benchmarks in future reviews of processors then? A CPU's "overclockability" is very important to me when buying a CPU, not just how it performs at stock speeds. I'm sure there are MANY others who feel the same.

 

[Zebo]

Evan make it 4 for 4 for AMD

... keep the cost around $800 for the box and score well above 7000 3dmark2003...heres how..All prices at new egg.

Motherboard- Abit NF-S - $100

Processor- Unlocked AMD Moblie barton 2500- $100 OC>4000+ ie 2700Mhz

Memory- 512MB PC3500 DDR Mushkin Level 1 Dual Pack (2x256) - $ 130

Graphics- 9800pro- $215

HD- Raptor- $125

Floppy- Samsung $7

CHIEFTEC Any color you want. Server Chasis Workstation Tower with 450W Power Supply.. Lots o Power- $80

CD/DVD- Lite-On 48X24X48X16 Combo Drive $45

HSF- Blower.. CoolerMaster Copper Aero 7 $30

total = $832


add whatever monitor (I recommend Mitzu diamondtron 19" for $260) Whatever KB mouse and you have a kick ass OCable system for just above $1100.

I forgot speakers on purpose cause they no longer make altec lansings 641s so I can't choose between bad and worse

 

[moretoys]

I would like to see budget 'bang for the buck' like the bartons being suggested or the 2.4C and something on the upper price range processors (3.2c, A64). It would be great to have a section on utilities & monitoring apps used for overclocking. I would also like to see something on what hardware to avoid if possible.
Same idea for video cards (like I have heard the nVidia cards seem to be more forgiving for AGP overclocking).
I wouldn't find anything on extreme overclocking all that useful. Maybe a mention of peltiers & water, but really most people like me are novice, outside this honored group of course
Some recommendations for cases, fans & heat syncs with an indication of noise tradeoff would be great.

Of course if you took all this, the artical would likely be a book

 

[Mustanggt]

Agreed ,Mobile Barton 2500, thermalright sp97 for air cooling, I know alot of people think burn in is a myth myself included before my last 2 chips. I did 24 hours burn in on my 2500 Mobile at 1.9 Vcore and am now running 2.3@ 1.6 vcore 2.4@1.7 2.5@1.75 these where all 0.1 higher before 24 hour run.

 

[Badjokesben]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Evan make it 4 for 4 for AMD

... keep the cost around $800 for the box and score well above 7000 3dmark2003...heres how..All prices at new egg.

Motherboard- Abit NF-S - $100

Processor- Unlocked AMD Moblie barton 2500- $100 OC>4000+ ie 2700Mhz

Memory- 512MB PC3500 DDR Mushkin Level 1 Dual Pack (2x256) - $ 130

Graphics- 9800pro- $215

HD- Raptor- $125

Floppy- Samsung $7

CHIEFTEC Any color you want. Server Chasis Workstation Tower with 450W Power Supply.. Lots o Power- $80

CD/DVD- Lite-On 48X24X48X16 Combo Drive $45

HSF- Blower.. CoolerMaster Copper Aero 7 $30

total = $832


add whatever monitor (I recommend Mitzu diamondtron 22" for $260) Whatever KB mouse and you have a kick ass OCable system for just above $1100.

I forgot speakers on purpose cause they no longer make altec lansings 641s so I can't choose between bad and worse

Where did you find a Mitsubishi Diamondtron 22" for $260????
I can only find those for over $1000. Is it a 1040 or 2060?

 

[SynapticBliss]

Evan, I am one of those (non uber-cool, non-leet overclocker-- hell, I've never overclocked anything...::thinks a moment to self::...with computers, that is) who is eagerly looking forward to what AnandTech has to say for the overclock rig.

What I'm looking to see is if my fledgling research on the matter has overturned a barrel of monkeys or wise men. I'll be building a system in the next couple of weeks. Though I don't know how to overclock at this point in time, I want components that will allow me the choice. I read on another forum (or this one, can't recollect) that overclocking is about getting bang for the buck (elsewise we'd be cruising around with FX-51s), so spending $100 in equipment to make a CPU run like a CPU costing $100 more is a wash.

Some common questions that are doing flybys next to my hiccocampus are: Do I go Asus, Abit, DFI, Shuttle? What is raid, do I care about raid, should I care about raid? What is sata, do I care about sata, should I care about sata? These computer techies like boards with things I?ll probably never use. If Shuttle only goes to 200 FSB, and not much more, is that a fine overclock of a 2400 XP mobile, as defined by me, thus saving me about $50 bucks? Or do I need a Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird? Do I want to push for every scrap of MHz or get a terrific value? (Value, value, value!)

Do I expect this article to give me answers to any of these? Nope. That?s what ?research? is for, and it is for me to do. But let?s just say, on the off chance, I?m tired of reading about this stuff about now and want to pull the trigger on that buy decision hanging out just 50 paces up the road, in silhouette, with the sun at its back?

This article ought to help me there.

TTFN,
SynapticBliss

 

[Zebo]

Badjokesben- My head was crashing when i wrote that.. 19 inch not 22 the 19" diamondtron is $245 While the 22" is only $539 at newegg.com.

Do I go Asus, Abit, DFI, Shuttle?
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All great boards you can't go wrong with either.

What is raid, do I care about raid, should I care about raid?
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Raid is a waste 99% of the time

What is sata, do I care about sata, should I care about sata?
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Like smaller cables get sata. I personally found no review citing increased performance...But EIDE's will be a couple buck less..


These computer techies like boards with things I?ll probably never use. If Shuttle only goes to 200 FSB, and not much more, is that a fine overclock of a 2400 XP mobile, as defined by me, thus saving me about $50 bucks?
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Shuttle uses the same chipset (NB) as any of the other top Nforce boards and I believe is the numero uno motherboard manufacturer.. don't worry about it's price they survive on economies of scale and have cut some features all but power uses might enjoy ..RAID...MCP-T..dual ethernet. I will say if you're interested in better sound get an nforce board with the MCP-T southbridge but it's $35 more money with the DFI ultra infinity.

 

[Zebo]

Evan... nice thread on OC moblie barton over at overclockers.com.

Insane OC's with low voltage and heat

 

[SynapticBliss]

Thanks for the rational information, Zebo. I cruised that thread you link to trying to decipher what mobo was most popular. I came away thinking (correctly or no) that the NF7-S is more stable at bus speeds higher than 200, the shuttle less so. Your words concerning Shuttle ring true to my ear (perhaps this is how clueless I really am -- just a couple of short, rational sentences and my inner buyer said, "Yep, it's Shuttle for me." Then I nodded, mmhmm.)

Thanks again. Really looking forward to this article.


-SynapticBliss

 

[Zebo]

Theres some truth to that. The voltage ajustments are more signifigant on more expensive boards... and to tweak the higher and IMO unsafe voltages for those super high FSBs one needs bigger capacitors and mosfets which Shuttle does'nt have... But 215-220 FSB is no problem with good memory.. I think Hexus.com, a review site similar to anandtech but in england, got the shuttle 240+.. No doubt the abit NF7-S is the most popular and probably the best enthusiast NFII board...Personally, I don't like fans.. only have one, a centrifugal cage blower, in my WC system spinning at 1300 rpm so I would probably opt for DFI (high performance) or shuttle (cheap) though which uses passive cooling on NB to stay quiet. Anyway Here's a bunch of consumer reviews of the shuttle other boards which warrents attention is those made by albatron like the KX18D PROII. They use japanese capacitors which are said to be less prone to leaking.

I to am waiting for review even though my feeling it will be a P4 setup. Good luck.

YGPM

 

[chinkee]

barton mobile 2400+ with best airflow/quiet/cool looking case and detail about what type of ram or mobo to get too with this setup = )

 

[Badjokesben]

$539
That's a good deal for that monitor.

 

[First]

I see. Well then could you (and the others at AnandTech) include overclocking benchmarks in future reviews of processors then? A CPU's "overclockability" is very important to me when buying a CPU, not just how it performs at stock speeds. I'm sure there are MANY others who feel the same.

Hard to say Jeff, Anand does the reviews and I have no control over them other than to suggest he include overclocking benchmarks. Usually clock speed scales pretty linearly, though clearly it depends on the app and other limiting factors. We have definitely considered it in the past and will continue to consider it until it gets enough demand.

Thanks for all the info guys. I picked the hardware a couple days ago and have just been doing the testing. There isn't a ton of testing of course because this is a guide, but I do include overclocking results, temps, and stability reports for what they're worth. But any of you guys could do that in your spare time, I'm just a loser reviewer.

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb


Hard to say Jeff, Anand does the reviews and I have no control over them other than to suggest he include overclocking benchmarks. Usually clock speed scales pretty linearly, though clearly it depends on the app and other limiting factors. We have definitely considered it in the past and will continue to consider it until it gets enough demand.

Thanks for all the info guys. I picked the hardware a couple days ago and have just been doing the testing. There isn't a ton of testing of course because this is a guide, but I do include overclocking results, temps, and stability reports for what they're worth. But any of you guys could do that in your spare time, I'm just a loser reviewer.

Well, I think we should have a Poll on that then discuss what limits you (reviewers) are willing to go to and what we want. Getting a balance

Your not a loser reviewer.... You arent reviewing, you are 'testing' and devising a simple plan for people of relatively no previous knowledge of overclocking to do a bit more than change a few bits in the bios they have no idea what they do.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

I see. Well then could you (and the others at AnandTech) include overclocking benchmarks in future reviews of processors then? A CPU's "overclockability" is very important to me when buying a CPU, not just how it performs at stock speeds. I'm sure there are MANY others who feel the same.

Hard to say Jeff, Anand does the reviews and I have no control over them other than to suggest he include overclocking benchmarks. Usually clock speed scales pretty linearly, though clearly it depends on the app and other limiting factors. We have definitely considered it in the past and will continue to consider it until it gets enough demand.

Thanks for all the info guys. I picked the hardware a couple days ago and have just been doing the testing. There isn't a ton of testing of course because this is a guide, but I do include overclocking results, temps, and stability reports for what they're worth. But any of you guys could do that in your spare time, I'm just a loser reviewer.

Maybe you could hire a new guy to do some crazy overclocking... ya know, water cooling setups, a PC build inside a mini-fridge, prometia setups, and of course... liquid nitrogen =) Maybe someone from Siberia who could experiment with running his water cooling lines outside the house to cool the liquid

 

[Badjokesben]

Can somebody please tell me where he found the NF7-S Rev.2 for 82 dollars?

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Badjokesben
Can somebody please tell me where he found the NF7-S Rev.2 for 82 dollars?

Newegg.com

 

[Zebo]

Excellent work evan! Personally I could have gone either way mobile barton or P4C's but it's a very nice OC total system for less than $1200... Amazing.


Just a side note: I have'nt seen NF7-S for less than $100 for a couple weeks at newegg.. I ordered one two days ago for 101.99..today it's 99.99.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Excellent work evan! Personally I could have gone either way mobile barton or P4C's but it's a very nice OC total system for less than $1200... Amazing.

Thanks.

Just a side note: I have'nt seen NF7-S for less than $100 for a couple weeks at newegg.. I ordered one two days ago for 101.99..today it's 99.99.

Sorry, I meant here is where the $82 NF7-S is.

 

[Showtime]

I just read some of the OC system article. I would like to have seen a performance comparison between the Intel and the AMD system.
That would help people like me, who still can't decide what route to to take.

-show

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Zebo
Excellent work evan! Personally I could have gone either way mobile barton or P4C's but it's a very nice OC total system for less than $1200... Amazing.

Thanks.

Just a side note: I have'nt seen NF7-S for less than $100 for a couple weeks at newegg.. I ordered one two days ago for 101.99..today it's 99.99.

Sorry, I meant here is where the $82 NF7-S is.

Now can you tell us where the Muskin PC3500 Level I RAM is available for $214?

 

[Zebo]

Show...

Me too. But since these things seem to scale pretty leniarly it would be a good idea to compare a barton/p4 review and simply add or subtract depending, 10% to all scores to the barton 3200+ (1.83 to now a 2.5ghz system) and 10% to P4 3.2 Ghz scores (2.8 to now a 3.5 ghz system) to arrive at some comparison.... No real easy way but better than nothing...I have a feeling the p4 would be a wee bit better but AMD would still dominate price/performance....as usual

Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz - The Real Slim Shady

hard OCP

 

[Zebo]

Here's a pretty good benchmarking review... although they only bumped the moblie to 2.3GHZ and compared it to only a 3.0C p4 it should give you some idea though interpolation..

Link

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Zebo
Excellent work evan! Personally I could have gone either way mobile barton or P4C's but it's a very nice OC total system for less than $1200... Amazing.

Thanks.

Just a side note: I have'nt seen NF7-S for less than $100 for a couple weeks at newegg.. I ordered one two days ago for 101.99..today it's 99.99.

Sorry, I meant here is where the $82 NF7-S is.

Now can you tell us where the Muskin PC3500 Level I RAM is available for $214?

Monarch Computer has them for $215. Newegg also has them for $227.

 

[oldfart]

When will we see this article?