Suggestions for Overclocking Guide next week

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Lifer
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As you may have noticed we've been doing guides for a few weeks now and will be releasing an Overclocking Guide next week. We're open to suggestions on what hardware you'd like to see in an overclocking guide that best fits most overclocker's needs. We're not talking about overclocking a 3.4GHz P4 EE to 4.5GHz with a huge water block and then running 3DMark just long enough to get a score before crashing. We're talking about a reliable overclocking rig for reasonable cash (somewhere in the "cheap mid range" range) on air.

We could go with a 2.4C or 2500+ setup, at this point we've still got just a little bit of research left to go to see which steppings are the best (for CPU, mobo and mem) and which offer the most widely confirmed (and personally tested) overclock for the money, with the most stability of course.

So, fire away. :)

P.S. You can recommend hardware outside of CPU, mobo, memory, video, PSU, etc. if you'd like.
 

MegaWorks

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The Barton 2500+ desktop and mobile, also try 1700+ and 1800+ T-Bred B's :)
For intel try the 2.4C

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AMD Athlon XP T-Bred B DLT3C 1700+ @ 2.3GHZ (1.775v) 400FSB = 3200+
Abit NF7-S V.2 (nForce2-U400)
Corsair TwinX XMS 3200LL 512MB @ 2-3-2-6 (2.6v)
Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB
Antec TrueBlue 480W
Thermalright SLK-947U with 92mm Vantec Tornado @2800RPM
Maxtor 91531U3 15GB
2x Western Digital WD400BB 40GB serials
Antec PlusView 1000AMG
Cambridge SoundWorks MegaWorks THX 550 5.1



 

adams828

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seems to me the hottest (not literally :p ) OCing chips right now are the moblie bartons. maybe a basic guide to OCing the 2500+, with an expanded section on the mobiles.

oh and whatever you chose, definitely some kind of HSF comparrison!
 

DAPUNISHER

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Mobile Barton on NF7-S for AMD, and 2.4c or 2.8c on IC7 or P4P800 Deluxe for Intel.
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Mobile Barton on NF7-S for AMD, and 2.4c or 2.8c on IC7 or P4P800 Deluxe for Intel.
Yeah, but you'd need to have a mobo with an 875 chipset, since some 2.4C's are quite capable of 300fsb.
 

Shimmishim

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intel prescott:
2.8E + Asus P4C800-E

intel NW:
2.6 or 2.8 + Asus P4C800-E
The reason why I say 2.6 or 2.8 is because the 2.4 is capable of 300 mhz fsb but a lot of systems may not be able to hand fsb's that high and people would be better off with a 2.6 or 2.8.

amd:
Mobile Barton 2500+

A64:
3200+ or 3000+ + Shuttle AN50R

Ram:
OCZ Platinum PC3500 LE
OCZ Platinum PC3200
Kingston HyperX PC3200
basically anything with winbond bh-5 memchips
(yes i know the ocz plat 3200 has bh-6's)

Videocard:
9800 pro
9800 XT
or 9800 pro 256 megs (with XT core R360) <- Sapphire

PSU:
TTGI 420W
Antec TruePower 430W

 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Mobile Barton on NF7-S for AMD, and 2.4c or 2.8c on IC7 or P4P800 Deluxe for Intel.
Yeah, but you'd need to have a mobo with an 875 chipset, since some 2.4C's are quite capable of 300fsb.
I'm a bit out of the Intel loop at this point, but the IC7 is a 875 based board is it not?

 

myocardia

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Oops, you're right. It's the IS7 that has the 865, isn't it? I just saw the P4P800.:confused: You know how it is when you start getting old, don't you?;)
 

Jeff7181

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I'd like to see some socket A heatsink comparisons... maybe 5 or 6 different ones, like, the retail heatsink/fan... the ever popular SK-7... SLK-800A... SLK-900A... SP-97... and then a crappier Dynatron DC1206BM-L from newegg as a bargain heatsink to see if it's actually better than a retail. Also use the same fan on all of them except the retail heatsink/fan.

Also would like to see some different overclocking methods... multiplier vs. FSB for example. If you still have some RAM from your high speed RAM articles, that would be great if you could test an AMD processor on say, a 233 Mhz FSB with PC3700 RAM, or even a 250 Mhz FSB with PC4000 RAM.

*EDIT* As far as CPU models I'd like to see tested...
AMD - 1.6 Ghz Duron, XP2500, Mobile XP2500, XP3200
Intel - 2.4 Ghz Celeron, 2.4C, 2.8C, 3.4C, and maybe the 2.8 and 3.2 Prescott

I'd like to see the article organized something like this...

An Introduction and explanation, couple pages maybe
A page dedicated to overclocking friendly motherboards for both AMD and Intel
A page dedicated to overclocking friendly CPU's for both AMD and Intel
A page that shows the maximum overclock you were able to achieve on the AMD and Intel CPU's tested (maybe two figures, one based on a safe voltage level, and another based on a high voltage level just to see what the max is, but would normally require water cooling at least)
A page that shows a temperature comparison between different heatsinks for both AMD and Intel CPU's
A page for AMD that shows the difference between overclocking via the FSB and overclocking via the multiplier... for example... 233x10 vs. 166x14
Maybe a page that shows how running the RAM async effects real world benchmarks for both AMD and Intel
And then... since the point of overclocking is to get more for your money... create a chart that shows performance per dollar in each of the tests... and for simplicity, quote prices based on newegg.com since that seems to be a favorite among us.

 

Coquito

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The Barton 2500+ desktop and mobile on a NF7-S(& cheaper alternatives); also try 1800+ T-Bred B's. For intel try the 2.4C & maybe a 3. - edited for content

I'd like to see some socket A heatsink comparisons... maybe 5 or 6 different ones, like, the retail heatsink/fan... the ever popular SK-7... SLK-800A... SLK-900A... SP-97... and then a crappier Dynatron DC1206BM-L from newegg as a bargain heatsink to see if it's actually better than a retail. Also use the same fan on all of them except the retail heatsink/fan.

Also would like to see some different overclocking methods... multiplier vs. FSB for example. If you still have some RAM from your high speed RAM articles, that would be great if you could test an AMD processor on say, a 233 Mhz FSB with PC3700 RAM, or even a 250 Mhz FSB with PC4000 RAM.

And get a nice closeup of that antec true430 while your at it. Make sure that they now come with sata connectors(lol).

Hey it's a quick cut & paste reply. They already said it all.
 

Super56K

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Next week I'll have my "budget" machine that I ordered off newegg that I'll be oc'ing. I ordered a Biostar M7NCD board, a 512 meg stick of buffalo brand pc-3200, a mobile athlon xp 2400+, some arctic thermal paste, and a vantec aeroflow HSF. I'll post how my oc'ing results are next week sometime. I hope it turns out good.
 

Peter D

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AXP - 2500+ Mobile on NF7-S/AN7 with OCZ EL/Plat. 3500 or Mushkin Level II 3500 with SLK-900U/947U/SP-97 and 92mm L1A
A64 - Any S754 chip with Shuttle AN50R with SLK-948U and 92mm Tornado :) (Just to see how high it can OC on high power air cooling)
P4 - Bleh, I dont care ;)

Other stuff:
2 Raptors
9800 Pro/XT
And one thing I'd really like to see, use a quality 300-350W PSU like Antec or something to see if quality ~300W can really sustain a power system :)

Thanks :)
 

wkabel23

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Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Mobile Barton on NF7-S for AMD, and 2.4c or 2.8c on IC7 or P4P800 Deluxe for Intel.
Yeah, but you'd need to have a mobo with an 875 chipset, since some 2.4C's are quite capable of 300fsb.

IC7 is 875?
 

MegaWorks

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for cooling get the Thermalright SLK-900A, SLK-947U. SP-97 with a 92mm panaflo for quiet cooling and 92mm Vantec Tornado for performence!

for Ram any OCZ and HyperX

mobo ABIT IC7 for intel and ABIT NF7-S V.2 for AMD

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AMD Athlon XP T-Bred B DLT3C 1700+ @ 2.3GHZ (1.775v) 400FSB = 3200+
Abit NF7-S V.2 (nForce2-U400)
Corsair TwinX XMS 3200LL 512MB @ 2-3-2-6 (2.6v)
Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB
Antec TrueBlue 480W
Thermalright SLK-947U with 92mm Vantec Tornado @2800RPM
Maxtor 91531U3 15GB
2x Western Digital WD400BB 40GB serials
Antec PlusView 1000AMG
Cambridge SoundWorks MegaWorks THX 550 5.1



 

mechBgon

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Why isn't anyone nominating the Socket478 Celeron? :confused:




:evil: ~ where's my bag of Doritos?!

I'll add my vote for giving the power supply some coverage. The biggest problems seem to be low-quality units, and while everyone in this thread is probably quite aware of that, the eager-beaver front-page readers could stand to be advised not to judge PSUs primarily by their wattage ratings.

How's this for a brainstorm: run a couple of poll threads here, prior to the article, and collect the aggregate Forum opinion on these two questions:

  • What brand of PSU would you recommend for a typical enthusiast-oriented overclocking rig?
  • With your preferred brand of PSU, how much wattage would you recommend for OCing?
  • and you might also ask What is the top PSU brand to avoid buying? :evil:
And you would want to give a "typical" system configuration for people to gauge by. For an enthusiast-oriented system, that seems to be two optical drives, 2-3 hard drives, possibly a TV-capture card and audio card, 2 to 4 memory modules, 3 to 5 ventilation fans, and a mid-to-high-end video card.

The results would make some interesting graphs :D
 

MDE

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
:evil: ~ where's my bag of Doritos?!
I just seem to always follow that comment :p.

I'd like to see the Duron 1.6 tested, and could you try enabling the extra L2 cache (same for the Thorton chips).

 

rgreen83

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Many sites have already confirmed what we know about mobile bartons, they rock!
But I feel no one has addressed the aspect of overclocking the multi locked bartons by way of fsb (like with p4) in a while if at all.
Im trying to decide whether to get a mobile or faster memory to overclock with.
 

Xemus

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How about adding some tips on keeping the cables and other internals neatly wrapped to allow proper airflow? You can't OC if your system starts on fire. :p
 

Elcs

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I think a PSU round-up in terms of overclocking would be decent. Showing how a 'poor' psu fluctuates and can reduce the possible maximum overclock.

A cross-CPU heatsink roundup would be quite interesting. Comparing 'equivilently' clocked cpu's and show how hot they are compared to each other. In addition, show how extra voltage and speed affect the temperature of the processor. This one may be tricky... I personally dont know of any cross-platform heatsink that can fit all 3 processors as I havent explored Intel or AMD 64 systems due to my upgrade plan going the way I want it.

Id doubt the AMD 64 would be worth covering in much detail with overclocking at the moment due to the lack of PCI/AGP lock which most know can quite easily make overclocking quite difficult. Perhaps an AMD 64 section could be added once you get your hands on a PCI/AGP lock board.

A small review of Overclocking Tools would be useful. Programs such as the NForce System Utility allow overclocking inside Windows.... how good is this? how does it compare to other O/C Tools? etc. This could also encompass CoolBits, RadClocker and Rivatuner etc. for Graphics Cards .... which could lead to how to get the best, stable overclock out of your gfx card with stock cooling and/or the more common heatsink/fan combos on gfx cards (Zalman, Artic Silencer).

Just a few ideas that popped up... criticise all you like, Ive only been awake 30 mins and University is soon
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Lifer
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Thanks for the tips guys.

Just for clarification. Usually guides do not involve much testing, because usually we've already tested (most) of the parts.

But I'll save the PSU, cooling, etc. requests for the proper time, thanks. :)
 

ntrights

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If you can get hold of a 3.0Prescott with the new D-0 steppin that would be great! Pair it with a Asus p4c800-e(dlx) mobo. :D;)