------------Suggest a 19" LCD

[thatsright]

Could you guys let me know if the 940b's Box, does it have any of those plastic handles to carry it with. I have to carry it quite a ways, so this would help.

Thanks

 

[renethx]

Originally posted by: thatsright
Could you guys let me know if the 940b's Box, does it have any of those plastic handles to carry it with. I have to carry it quite a ways, so this would help.

Yes, the box has a plastic handle. It's easy to carry the box.

 

[Hauk]

I just ordered a Samsung 940B. Glad to see some happy owners out there! For $335.00 shipped, it seemed like the very best bang for the buck. I opted for the silver one. It matches my car...

Oh, the DVI cable, found a decent one for $19.99 at Microcenter. Newegg has one for $12.99.

 

[thatsright]

I Got it, I GOT IT!!

God I love NewEgg! I ordered it yesterday @ noon and I got it today at 11am. And I paid for the 9.95 3-day guaranteed UPS shipping. Overnight UPS is $33 on this thing. I guess it helps when it?s going from New Jersey to Mass. I'm pretty sure if I sent it to my home addy instead of job I wouldn?t have gotten it till Monday.

Have DVI cable in hand, and will let you guys know what I think!

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Will these monitors handle Windows Vista rights management?

 

[thatsright]

Finally got it all hooked up last night, and long term I'm optimistic, but so far disappointed:

-Indeed, text is super crisp!

-As 940b owners have said before, MY GOD this thing is bright. Even after turning the contrast and brightness way down, there was still 'blooming' in the taskbar that would obscure text a bit. Thank god for the ATI CCC, so I can turn down the Gamma/brightness on the Vid card.

-One dead pixel (though not really sure what a dead pixel is?) that I have found in the clock area of the taskbar. If you didn't know it was there, you wouldn't pick it up. It only looks like a black spec when viewing right over it.
Moving the mouse over it, it looks like a ?dimple? of the same color. No biggie.

-Colors are indeed more vivid. Though I have noticed how it is indeed 6Bit color. The new egg logo is not a smooth, uniform gradient. Same with skin tones.

-HL2 looks great! Though with a Radeon 9700Pro, I?m a bit limited in what games I can play w/ any ?eye candy.?

Here are the problems, the MAJOR ones:

-I always had my refresh rates @85hz to keep from getting a headache. I have it now on 12x10 @ 75hz and I slowly get eyestrain and a headache when using this LCD.

-Watching WMV or MPG videos in WMP10 look HORRIBLE!! Blurry, choppy and blocky. On my 19? CRT the same home movies looked crystal clear. But any QuickTime, or WMP High Definition clips I play look perfect, even better than before???? Anyone know if this a fixable problem, or something inherent with LCD?s?? Is there a setting that will reduce, stop this problem?

I?ll wait a few more days, but these last two problems are enough to make me return the flat panel.

Any suggestions? HELP!!

 

[renethx]

Maybe you are suffering from "LCD Syndrome": LCD Display Discomfort.

 

[thatsright]

Originally posted by: renethx
Maybe you are suffering from "LCD Syndrome": LCD Display Discomfort

Thanks Man. That Helped, a LOT!

Totally forgot about ClearType. I had my 940b about 30 inches away from my eyes, and moved about 6" closer. Turned the brightness down too, to 25 and set the contrast to 50.

Anyone ever try to run their LCD refresh rate out of spec? If I 'unhide' supported refresh rates in Display Properties, I could set it to 85hz. Though 75hz is the max supported for the 940b.



renethx: when you got your 940b did you have the same problems 'getting use to' your new LCD? Is it still a problem for you? Did you ever have the same problem watching movies in WMP?

Thanks again and hope to hear from ya.

 

[renethx]

Originally posted by: thatsright
when you got your 940b did you have the same problems 'getting use to' your new LCD? Is it still a problem for you? Did you ever have the same problem watching movies in WMP?

I began using LCDs two years ago (the first one is NEC LCD1760V, then Samsung 940B). I am sitting in front of LCD 12/7. I was very comfortable from the beginnig at the default 60Hz refresh rate. No eyestrain or headache. But I changed the Windows font size. In 17" LCD, Windows font size was 150% = 144dpi. In 19" LCD, it is 133% = 128dpi. In FireFox, the minimum font size is set to 17. Font size lower than this causes eyestrain (my eyes are a litte weak). I need the best comforting environment because of long work per day. I have no problem in watching WMP.

If you have never had a LCD, you may need to adjust your eyes and brain to it. Try to continue using it for a week with the best possible adjustments. If you still feel discomfort, you may consider returning it.

High reputation of the LCD does not gurantee that it suits you. If you return the LCD, you will lose (price x 0.15 + shipping + return shipping) = around $80. That was the reason why I recommended you to buy it from Buy.com. Free delivery would take only two days from PA warehouse to MA. You would lose nothing (= $0.00, no restocking fee, free shipping, free return shipping) even if you returned it because eyestrain/headache is enough reason for "defective product"...

 

[Azndude51]

I've been wanting to buy the 940b for a while, I might finally do it tomorrow. I'm going to try buy.com as renethx suggested, though I'm a bit worried because the site gets poor ratings. The main reason to get it from buy.com because the monitor is actually cheaper than most other places, has free shipping, and the good return policy.

 

[renethx]

Originally posted by: Azndude51
though I'm a bit worried because the site gets poor ratings.

I have bought more than 150 items since 1999 from Buy.com. It is a first-rate seller. Their basic policy is "customer is always right", like Amazon.com. If you don't like a product, you can return it without restocking fee. If you feel it is defective (including incompatibility), click the "defective" button and a free UPS return shipping label appears instantly. (Don't misuse it!) My recent purchases are a MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum (returned as defective), two ABIT AX8, two ABIT AN8 Ultra (both returned as defective), two MSI K8NGM2-FID, three Leadtek TV tuners, two Antec NeoHE 430, and two Samsung 940B. All of them were delivered free in two days from their PA or NJ warehouse to my place in NJ. No problems at all. NewEgg's dead pixel policy is a joke when compared to Buy.com.

 

[MrJingleBells]

what are the differences in the 930 and 940? As far as ive seen the only difference is that the 940 is listed as 4ms response (but its grey to grey), while the 930 is 8ms (black to white). Arent these just the same panel with the 940 being a newer model? I have a 930 and love it for anything other than gaming.
http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wow5dj.jpg

 

[Nextman916]

since when was the 940b listed as 4ms gtg? its true 8ms all around. Now im sure it flunctuates like other lcd's but its still an overall better monitor thatn the 930b. I dont suffer from lcd syndrome either, i never even heard of it to tell you the truth. You are also mistakening the refresh rates from a crt to an lcd. They are different tho i dont remember how, try searching the forums something about lcd's dont use refresh rates and 75hz is like 120hz on a crt or something like that.

 

[hans007]

i honestly cant tell the difference between an 8 and 6 bit panel as i've had both.

if you can stretch your budget the nec lcd1970gx is a nice monitor.

 

[thatsright]

Originally posted by: hans007
i honestly cant tell the difference between an 8 and 6 bit panel as i've had both.

if you can stretch your budget the nec lcd1970gx is a nice monitor.

There IS a difference, big one. Go to newegg.com and look at the new egg logo on the banner. See how the orange to yellow is not smooth and even transition. Large gradient transition from orange to yellow. I see this on the Samsung 940b 6 Bit panel.

 

[Azndude51]

Originally posted by: hans007
i honestly cant tell the difference between an 8 and 6 bit panel as i've had both.

if you can stretch your budget the nec lcd1970gx is a nice monitor.

I would not recommend that monitor, my roommate has one. It is overpriced, you can get an 8-bit monitor that performs decently in games for that price. Plus, it has Opticlear which is annoying because it reflects everything in the room, though it does look very bright and crisp.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: hans007
i honestly cant tell the difference between an 8 and 6 bit panel as i've had both.

if you can stretch your budget the nec lcd1970gx is a nice monitor.

There IS a difference, big one. Go to newegg.com and look at the new egg logo on the banner. See how the orange to yellow is not smooth and even transition. Large gradient transition from orange to yellow. I see this on the Samsung 940b 6 Bit panel.

ah good point about the newegg logo. i had not noticed that. i am not sure if the logo just is that way or not, as other gradients seem to look ok like the ones at the top of firefox windows.

i just suggested the lcd1970gx since i JUST got a lcd1770gx (which i got rid of an 8bit planar to get). i dont know if you use your computer not in bright light the opticlear i think is worth $50-60 of your cash. it is that good just makes everything look richer.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: hans007
i honestly cant tell the difference between an 8 and 6 bit panel as i've had both.

if you can stretch your budget the nec lcd1970gx is a nice monitor.

There IS a difference, big one. Go to newegg.com and look at the new egg logo on the banner. See how the orange to yellow is not smooth and even transition. Large gradient transition from orange to yellow. I see this on the Samsung 940b 6 Bit panel.

That's because that logo is a dithered GIF image. Nothing to do with the monitor. 6 bits wouldn't look that bad. I can see the ugly transition on my 8 bit as well. Infact, a 6 bit usually does frame rate control (flickering) to imitate the image, so there'd be no image artifacts.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: hans007
i honestly cant tell the difference between an 8 and 6 bit panel as i've had both.

if you can stretch your budget the nec lcd1970gx is a nice monitor.

There IS a difference, big one. Go to newegg.com and look at the new egg logo on the banner. See how the orange to yellow is not smooth and even transition. Large gradient transition from orange to yellow. I see this on the Samsung 940b 6 Bit panel.

That's because that logo is a dithered GIF image. Nothing to do with the monitor. 6 bits wouldn't look that bad. I can see the ugly transition on my 8 bit as well. Infact, a 6 bit usually does frame rate control (flickering) to imitate the image, so there'd be no image artifacts.

yeah i just looked at it at work on my 8bit monitors and it looks the same as on the 6bit one.


so yeah.. i think the 8bit 6bit thing is not a big issue, lots of reviews even have rated 6bits as looking better. i think one of the big things for me has been brightness and backlight uniformity.


my 20" planar was rated at 250 nits, but was really dull and dark looking even though 250 nits isnt very low. also i had 2 planar 17" monitors and one was perfect and the other had backlight bleeding all over the edges (same model monitor too.)

 

[ddekany]

Originally posted by: Compellor
The best 19" 8-bit panels are the Samsung 970P and ViewSonic VP930b. You're looking at $450 as a starting point unless you want to buy one used. But do a check on Price Watch to see if you can find one of these any cheaper.

I swear I didn't looked for any 970P related writing, but still I have to face this myth again... Samsung 970P is not 8 bit, it's 6 bit with dithering, without FRC. The same goes for Samsung 193P+ (and certainly for 193P too). I know, thet are PVA and the spec says 16.7M... but still they are 6 bit + dithering. Here it is detailed: article (mirror)