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Successful people, vs. Failures
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dr150
Diamond Member
The people with exterior "polish" are usually the ambitious climb-the-ladder pretenders Even if they advance, ultimately they get outed for their incompetence and downright stupidity regarding simple business matters that even a kid could get right.
The ones that work hard and care about the business and have the business smarts usually don't care about making an "exterior impression" as they care about doing good work than impressing someone. Depending on the company or dept., it may take them longer to advance, but ultimately reach MUCH greater heights.
<-----Based on experience at consulting companies and Cisco Systems.
The ones that work hard and care about the business and have the business smarts usually don't care about making an "exterior impression" as they care about doing good work than impressing someone. Depending on the company or dept., it may take them longer to advance, but ultimately reach MUCH greater heights.
<-----Based on experience at consulting companies and Cisco Systems.
ColdFusion718
Diamond Member
I've been #1 and #2. Lately, I don't know hehe.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Gotta love how management cozies up to the bullsh!tters like they are the goose that laid the golden egg while ignoring the ugly duckling that saves their hide.
Inept management ability.
They fail to see their own failing yet complain about others failings.
The problem is that your selection process places WAY too much emphasis on the interview, when studies and studies have shown that the interview is one of the lowest predictor of job performance.
Or your other selection processes aren't assessing the necessary skills/attributes/knowledge, etc that are really required for the job. Sounds like you all may need to do a job analysis and really figure out what the true criterions are.
serialkiller
Golden Member
Easy... guy#1 is a business major (he has been professionaly trained to talk the talk and maybe walk the walk through his school)... guy#2 is an hard working individual that probably has a good concept of how much $1 is worth.
PlatinumGold
Lifer
why not? how are paper MCSE's any different from what was described in the OP? i remember i was interviewing a college senior Info Systems major and i asked him what a relational database was and he didn't have a clue.
Some people are all talk. They can BS their way into anything, and unfortunately that's why douchebag managers exist.
I think the quality of a person can be broken down into two parts: Street smarts and book smarts. The people with street smarts can handle situations better than book smart people, because they're comfortable talking to people, and can read the body language of others and adjust what and how theyr'e going to say things. Strictly book smart people can be unsocialable, but know how to do the job. They can take orders well but may not be able to provide valuable input because of their fear of rejection.
In conclusion, i think that the very sucessful people in this world have a great mixture of both kinds of intelligence. THey can talk their way into a situation, and when something needs to be done they do it correctly. I strive to be one of these people, although I can admit my sales ability is still in its infant stages. With enough determination, anyone can excel in both areas of "smarts".
I think the quality of a person can be broken down into two parts: Street smarts and book smarts. The people with street smarts can handle situations better than book smart people, because they're comfortable talking to people, and can read the body language of others and adjust what and how theyr'e going to say things. Strictly book smart people can be unsocialable, but know how to do the job. They can take orders well but may not be able to provide valuable input because of their fear of rejection.
In conclusion, i think that the very sucessful people in this world have a great mixture of both kinds of intelligence. THey can talk their way into a situation, and when something needs to be done they do it correctly. I strive to be one of these people, although I can admit my sales ability is still in its infant stages. With enough determination, anyone can excel in both areas of "smarts".
whistleclient
Platinum Member
when they formed Seal Team 6, they chose all the guys that barely made it into the Seals, all the guys that struggled at the back of the pack, because they didn't want guys who were used to having it easy. They wanted guys who were used to struggling but still succeeding.
I've heard it said, don't remember exactly where, that most often the people who are most suited to lead and excel are often those who have the least desire to do so. Those who are most well suited to follow often think they should lead. I see this addage prove itself true time and time again in the business world.
Desire is definitely an attribute, which reminds me. Most of the attributes of successful people, believe it or not, are not skills. It is mostly attitude driven.
I believe committment to one's purpose has huge bearing on success. The best one I've heard that made sense to me, was something written by a man named Albert Gray. He was managing some life insurance agents, and finally summed up the common denominator of success.
He said: Successful people have formed the habit of doing the things that failures don't like to do. I'm sure that's too simple, but it makes me think about all the bad habits I may have formed over the years.
I believe committment to one's purpose has huge bearing on success. The best one I've heard that made sense to me, was something written by a man named Albert Gray. He was managing some life insurance agents, and finally summed up the common denominator of success.
He said: Successful people have formed the habit of doing the things that failures don't like to do. I'm sure that's too simple, but it makes me think about all the bad habits I may have formed over the years.
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