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Successful people, vs. Failures

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compuwiz1

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In business, it never ceases to amaze me, how some people, who look like shooting stars, turn into failures, but yet underdogs become the real diamond.

Take the guy #1, who walks into the interview. He eyeballs well, meaning, he's got the look, he's got the dress and he can talk the talk. He passes all the pre-flight, infact, he aces it. The guy is the A-1, totally qualified, will make us proud, etc. 🙂 He's hired.
Wrong! We give him his job, give him instructions, set him in flight, and he not only flounders, but he crashes and burns. Now, despite all his promising attributes, after a mere 30 days, he is our worst disappointment. 🙁

Guy#2. Comes in late, under dressed, seems a bit slow, but passes pre-flight, as far as having the knowlege to at least learn to do the job. We hire him with mixed emotions, but that is only because we need someone to fill the position, possibly until the Ace walks thru the door. We give him his instructions, set him in flight, then he absolutely soars! He keeps having one success after another, even getting the attention of the company president. Year after year, he keeps getting promotions, accolades and makes his company quite proud. He's been dressing well too. 🙂

So, what the heck is the difference between the two? Is there a moral to this story? :frown:😕
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Is there a moral to this story? :frown:😕
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"Don't judge a book by its cover"?

Eh, maybe there isn't one. Sometimes stuff just happens.
 
Sometimes people just have the power of fate too. Ever notice someone who just seems to have the perfect timing, in right place, right time. Says the right thing, when needed. That in itself is almost like a separate sense, where you feel like some people have it, while others dont.

Goosemaster, I've been both #1 and #2, myself.

BTW, this is one of those threads, where seemingly, everyone runs and hides. Guess nobody wants to get that intro-spective. 🙁
 
I have been guy number 1 and guy number 2. Being guy number 1 is quite depressing. That is how I was at my last job. I lost all my confidence and now have to think of trying something new.


Perry

Edit last decent job. I work for peanuts right now and am way over qualified.
 
I like to think I'm a mixture of both. I never had the highest grades in school which immediatly limited me in some of the opportunities that I was presented. However, one company gave me a chance and I have not dissapointed. Those that are #2s just have to work harder and smarter.


dam(d)
 
The moral to the story is that hiring is very important, and very difficult. And that we live in a society that values looks more than what really matters.

 
The moral to the story is that hiring is very important, and very difficult. And that we live in a society that values looks more than what really matters.
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Sad, but true. Politics are also an ugly thing.
 
It's hard to relay work ethic in an interview. You can sort of assume it through context of interview questions, but you really don't get a grasp for it until that person is working for you.

If a person has an incredible work ethic and an actual desire to succeed, it can overcome any initial abscense of skill or knowledge about that particular job. They can turn out to be reliable, efficient, and loyal employees who are a valuable asset to the company.

It's hard to explain those attributes sincerely while you are in an interview.

Meanwhile the guy walking in knowing everything, might not have the same work ethic and can wind up being lazy, unreliable, and overall just uncooperative with management/other employees.

Obviously both are generalizations, but option "Number One" describes me in a nutshell and it's been difficult to explain to potential employers during the interview process.
 
Culture has a lot to do with it. If an employee doesn't fit the culture, he's almost guaranteed to perform poorly. A good fit will have the best chance of kicking butt.
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
In business, it never ceases to amaze me, how some people, who look like shooting stars, turn into failures, but yet underdogs become the real diamond.

Take the guy #1, who walks into the interview. He eyeballs well, meaning, he's got the look, he's got the dress and he can talk the talk. He passes all the pre-flight, infact, he aces it. The guy is the A-1, totally qualified, will make us proud, etc. 🙂 He's hired.
Wrong! We give him his job, give him instructions, set him in flight, and he not only flounders, but he crashes and burns. Now, despite all his promising attributes, after a mere 30 days, he is our worst disappointment. 🙁

Guy#2. Comes in late, under dressed, seems a bit slow, but passes pre-flight, as far as having the knowlege to at least learn to do the job. We hire him with mixed emotions, but that is only because we need someone to fill the position, possibly until the Ace walks thru the door. We give him his instructions, set him in flight, then he absolutely soars! He keeps having one success after another, even getting the attention of the company president. Year after year, he keeps getting promotions, accolades and makes his company quite proud. He's been dressing well too. 🙂

So, what the heck is the difference between the two? Is there a moral to this story? :frown:😕
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You are maybe placing excessive emphasis on first appearances, and appearances in general.

Also, since when do you give a new employee instructions, then step back and watch then succeed or fail? Where is the training, feedback, mentoring, etc? A month isn't a very long time, how are you judging someone as a failure in a month? And did anyone take the time to work with that employee, to improve their chances of success?
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
In business, it never ceases to amaze me, how some people, who look like shooting stars, turn into failures, but yet underdogs become the real diamond.

Take the guy #1, who walks into the interview. He eyeballs well, meaning, he's got the look, he's got the dress and he can talk the talk. He passes all the pre-flight, infact, he aces it. The guy is the A-1, totally qualified, will make us proud, etc. 🙂 He's hired.
Wrong! We give him his job, give him instructions, set him in flight, and he not only flounders, but he crashes and burns. Now, despite all his promising attributes, after a mere 30 days, he is our worst disappointment. 🙁

Guy#2. Comes in late, under dressed, seems a bit slow, but passes pre-flight, as far as having the knowlege to at least learn to do the job. We hire him with mixed emotions, but that is only because we need someone to fill the position, possibly until the Ace walks thru the door. We give him his instructions, set him in flight, then he absolutely soars! He keeps having one success after another, even getting the attention of the company president. Year after year, he keeps getting promotions, accolades and makes his company quite proud. He's been dressing well too. 🙂

So, what the heck is the difference between the two? Is there a moral to this story? :frown:😕
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the moral is: don't judge a book by its cover.

like that's an easy thing to do.

 
I was guy1 on my first coop (had a 3.0 gpa, knew everythign during the interview, impressed everyone during the interview)

I am now guy2 during my current coop (they only picked me because no one else was left😉)
 
There's more to a job than just interviewing well and unfortunately it's difficult to discern those hidden variables/attributes during the interview process.

Does the new employee fit the corporate culture? What's his work ethic? What's his personality? What drives him? etc...
 
along similar lines.

have you ever noticed that, there are people with TITLES and then there are people that REALLY get the work done and there isn't necessarily a strong correlation between the two?

every job i've ever had within a couple of weeks, i'm the go to guy. i'm the guy everyone depends upon to keep the office going. but i don't always get recognized for it. hence i'm in business for myself.

 
Interviewing is just a skill that can be learned, it's not an airtight predictor of success. Maybe the first guy just had more interview experience than the second.
 
The old saying goes, the difference between success and failure is to learn and continue on after your failure.
 
I think what it all really boils down to is whether 1) the person enjoys their job and has a drive for success, and 2) if they fit into their work environment. Some people just don't fit into certain places and it shows in their work performance.
 
Guy #1 is just a good bullsh!tter. Since I've been working, I've met several bullsh!tters. Usually, these people are pretty nice and sound like they know what they are doing. But they can also be extremely annoying to talk to if you actually know the subject they are referring to because there is a really good chance something they say on every subject is completely wrong.
 
There are professional classes that teaches people how to fluff their resume and how to ace a job interview.

People who spend their time actually learning useful stuff relevent to their work most likely don't have time to take those fancy interview classes.
 
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