Subversion of Democracy . . . . the Davis Recall Attempt

XZeroII

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Typical democrats.

It started with the impeachment of President Clinton, when the Republicans could not beat him in 1996.?
HAHA. The big issue there is that Clinton LIED to the face of the American people. Anyone who does that is not fit to run a country, period. Also, if a CEO of a large company had been accused of inappropriate sexual relations like that, he (she) would certainly step down. That had NOTHING to do with republicans trying to subvert the democratic process. Read the article for more info on the subject.

It continued in Florida, where they stopped the vote count, depriving thousands of Americans of the right to vote.?
There were THREE recounts! For crying out loud, how many does it take??? If you didn't win after THREE recounts, YOU LOST! Democrats were the ones trying to subvert the democratic process there because they were trying to change laws and make them retroactive to before the election so that Gore would win. Republicans put a stop to that because that is wrong.

?This year, they?re trying to steal additional congressional seats in Colorado and Texas, overturning legal redistricting plans.?
How is redistricting wrong? Just because someone says they are trying to 'steal' congressional seats doesn't make it true. There has been big shifts in the populations of states in recent years. Something had to be done.

?Here in California, the Republicans lost the governor?s race last November. Now they?re trying to use this recall to seize control of California just before the next presidential election.?
I have to laugh out loud at this one. Davis is obviously a terrible governor. He seriously hurt CA and the people want him out. It was the people who created the push to recall him, not republicans. Sure, it was funded by a republican, but they needed LOTS of public support to actually accomplish this. The people have spoken, and they said to get him out. Democrats just don't want to lose their own position in a key state and as such are trying to blame the whole thing on republicans.

The chair therefore rules Republicans more or less guilty as charged of conducting ?an ongoing national effort to steal elections Republicans cannot win.?
The chair therefore rules that Democrats are little babies who are trying desperatly to cling to their current seats in government by flinging as much mud at Republicans as they can. I sentence democrats to 30 minutes in the 'time out' chair and no dessert after supper tonigh.
 

Gand1

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?Here in California, the Republicans lost the governor?s race last November. Now they?re trying to use this recall to seize control of California just before the next presidential election.?
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I have to laugh out loud at this one. Davis is obviously a terrible governor. He seriously hurt CA and the people want him out. It was the people who created the push to recall him, not republicans. Sure, it was funded by a republican, but they needed LOTS of public support to actually accomplish this. The people have spoken, and they said to get him out. Democrats just don't want to lose their own position in a key state and as such are trying to blame the whole thing on republicans.
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I'm not saying the man has been doing a good or bad job but how the hell can you tell if he has been in office for only a month!

You can't deny that the recall process was started only one month after he was elected into office. That to me is just being a sore looser.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Gand1
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?Here in California, the Republicans lost the governor?s race last November. Now they?re trying to use this recall to seize control of California just before the next presidential election.?
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I have to laugh out loud at this one. Davis is obviously a terrible governor. He seriously hurt CA and the people want him out. It was the people who created the push to recall him, not republicans. Sure, it was funded by a republican, but they needed LOTS of public support to actually accomplish this. The people have spoken, and they said to get him out. Democrats just don't want to lose their own position in a key state and as such are trying to blame the whole thing on republicans.
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I'm not saying the man has been doing a good or bad job but how the hell can you tell if he has been in office for only a month!

You can't deny that the recall process was started only one month after he was elected into office. That to me is just being a sore looser.

I don't live in CA, so all I know is from what I read on the internet. I didn't know it started so soon, but I assume there was some big reason why the process was started in the first place. Do you know what that was? (I'm asking because I don't know) However, if the people want him out so badly, I don't see any reason why the recall couldn't go through.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Gand1
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?Here in California, the Republicans lost the governor?s race last November. Now they?re trying to use this recall to seize control of California just before the next presidential election.?
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I have to laugh out loud at this one. Davis is obviously a terrible governor. He seriously hurt CA and the people want him out. It was the people who created the push to recall him, not republicans. Sure, it was funded by a republican, but they needed LOTS of public support to actually accomplish this. The people have spoken, and they said to get him out. Democrats just don't want to lose their own position in a key state and as such are trying to blame the whole thing on republicans.
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I'm not saying the man has been doing a good or bad job but how the hell can you tell if he has been in office for only a month!

You can't deny that the recall process was started only one month after he was elected into office. That to me is just being a sore looser.

I don't live in CA, so all I know is from what I read on the internet. I didn't know it started so soon, but I assume there was some big reason why the process was started in the first place. Do you know what that was? (I'm asking because I don't know) However, if the people want him out so badly, I don't see any reason why the recall couldn't go through.
Yes, the Republicans lost the election, and they didn't like it.
 

Moonbeam

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The people don't want him out so badly. They just voted him in. The recall is an end run around the election put into law in what, 1911 to insure a crook wouldn't stay. The recall only required 12.5% of the vote to be brought up for recall. The money for the process was started by a loser rich Republican. Filthy Republican ambition and self interested greed have made another circus of our world. Nothing matters but winning, not the fact that the election will cost millions, not the fact that the circus has turned Calif bonds to junk, not the fact that we will pay billions in increased interest rates. No we must win even if we sin, is the Republican way. We saw it in Florida, we see it in Texas, and we have it now in California. The party of character is full of swines.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Typical democrats.

It started with the impeachment of President Clinton, when the Republicans could not beat him in 1996.?
HAHA. The big issue there is that Clinton LIED to the face of the American people. Anyone who does that is not fit to run a country, period.
Do you apply the same standard to Bush-lite? His lies launched an invasion, killed thousands of innocent human beings, and cost us hundreds of billions of dollars. Clinton had consensual sex and stained a dress.

Also, if a CEO of a large company had been accused of inappropriate sexual relations like that, he (she) would certainly step down. [ ... ]
Actually, if it was consensual sex and there was no quid pro quo involved, they would probably ignore it. Companies generally stay out of employees' personal lives as long as there are no complaints. They are especially indulgent of executives, looking the other way for all sorts of excesses that would get other employees reprimanded.
 

etech

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The recall process has been put into law by the voters and their elected representatives. If the people vote for recall than how is that subverting democracy and the will of the people?+

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Gand1
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?Here in California, the Republicans lost the governor?s race last November. Now they?re trying to use this recall to seize control of California just before the next presidential election.?
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I have to laugh out loud at this one. Davis is obviously a terrible governor. He seriously hurt CA and the people want him out. It was the people who created the push to recall him, not republicans. Sure, it was funded by a republican, but they needed LOTS of public support to actually accomplish this. The people have spoken, and they said to get him out. Democrats just don't want to lose their own position in a key state and as such are trying to blame the whole thing on republicans.
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I'm not saying the man has been doing a good or bad job but how the hell can you tell if he has been in office for only a month!

You can't deny that the recall process was started only one month after he was elected into office. That to me is just being a sore looser.

A month? He was just re-elected. He's been in office for more than 4 years now. Davis only cares about one thing. Himself. He will bow down to special interest for money and has proven this time and again. He talks about being for the economy...that's a laugh. He passed a law to almost double the amount of dioxins corporations can dump into San Fransisco bay and he did it because the corporations contributed a rather large amount of money to him. He has the unions in his pocket (or is it the other way around) because they've contributed to Davis. Only thing he's good at is raising money and spending it. As far as his ability to run a state-he has none.
 

CaptnKirk

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Issa (Republican Car Thief-Loser) bankrolled the recall by paying 'out of state' Signature Collectors expenses and wages
to come into California (which is not legal) for getting people to sign up onto the recall.
He offered a $ 1 bonus per signature that was obtained and accepted.

Issa is the Auto-Security guy that sells 'the Viper', he even stole that company from the parteners that created it.
Issa = Viper = Snake.
 

kaizersose

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Gand1
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?Here in California, the Republicans lost the governor?s race last November. Now they?re trying to use this recall to seize control of California just before the next presidential election.?
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I have to laugh out loud at this one. Davis is obviously a terrible governor. He seriously hurt CA and the people want him out. It was the people who created the push to recall him, not republicans. Sure, it was funded by a republican, but they needed LOTS of public support to actually accomplish this. The people have spoken, and they said to get him out. Democrats just don't want to lose their own position in a key state and as such are trying to blame the whole thing on republicans.
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I'm not saying the man has been doing a good or bad job but how the hell can you tell if he has been in office for only a month!

You can't deny that the recall process was started only one month after he was elected into office. That to me is just being a sore looser.

I don't live in CA, so all I know is from what I read on the internet. I didn't know it started so soon, but I assume there was some big reason why the process was started in the first place. Do you know what that was? (I'm asking because I don't know) However, if the people want him out so badly, I don't see any reason why the recall couldn't go through.

the main reason was the fact that he helped create a $38 billion budget deficit when only two years ago we were looking at a $10 surplus. he signed overly generous pension plans to prison guards, state workers and increased all kinds of subsidies to people who had made large campaign contributions.

also, i just posted this in another thread, but to all those who claim democracy is being subverted...
http://beta.kpix.com/news/local/2003/08/15/Davis_Approval_Rating_at_All-Time_Low.html
 

Gand1

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I don't live in CA either but from this side of the country the whole thing looks like a joke. Especially when you have people like The Terminoodle running.
 

jahawkin

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HAHA. The big issue there is that Clinton LIED to the face of the American people. Anyone who does that is not fit to run a country, period. Also, if a CEO of a large company had been accused of inappropriate sexual relations like that, he (she) would certainly step down. That had NOTHING to do with republicans trying to subvert the democratic process. Read the article for more info on the subject.

Right - Rudy Guliani, Newt Gingrich - There's two republican politicians that didn't step down after being accused of inappropriate sexual relations.

There were THREE recounts! For crying out loud, how many does it take??? If you didn't win after THREE recounts, YOU LOST! Democrats were the ones trying to subvert the democratic process there because they were trying to change laws and make them retroactive to before the election so that Gore would win. Republicans put a stop to that because that is wrong.

You're forgetting about the systematic disenfranchisment of around 90,000 Floridians.

How is redistricting wrong? Just because someone says they are trying to 'steal' congressional seats doesn't make it true. There has been big shifts in the populations of states in recent years. Something had to be done.

Redistricting isn't wrong, but it has been a tradition for about the past century that it only happens once every 10 years.

I have to laugh out loud at this one. Davis is obviously a terrible governor. He seriously hurt CA and the people want him out. It was the people who created the push to recall him, not republicans. Sure, it was funded by a republican, but they needed LOTS of public support to actually accomplish this. The people have spoken, and they said to get him out. Democrats just don't want to lose their own position in a key state and as such are trying to blame the whole thing on republicans.

Total bullsh!t. Issa and his paid signatures getters were behind the recall.

The chair therefore rules that Democrats are little babies who are trying desperatly to cling to their current seats in government by flinging as much mud at Republicans as they can. I sentence democrats to 30 minutes in the 'time out' chair and no dessert after supper tonigh.
Flinging mud?? Here's a great article comparing republicans and democrats and their mud-flinging ways.
 
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Originally posted by: jahawkin
HAHA. The big issue there is that Clinton LIED to the face of the American people. Anyone who does that is not fit to run a country, period. Also, if a CEO of a large company had been accused of inappropriate sexual relations like that, he (she) would certainly step down. That had NOTHING to do with republicans trying to subvert the democratic process. Read the article for more info on the subject.

Right - Rudy Guliani, Newt Gingrich - There's two republican politicians that didn't step down after being accused of inappropriate sexual relations.


There are at least 5 mistakes in your post, sir; report back to us when you figure them out. Until then, you have marginalized yourself and your myopic views.

 

walrus

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If Arnold or someone else wins this election, how soon can we start another recall to recall the new Governor? If this asinine recall passes, and since the new Govenor only needs 15% of the vote to be elected, we could have 4-5 new governors a year, every year, from now on.
 
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Originally posted by: walrus
If Arnold or someone else wins this election, how soon can we start another recall to recall the new Governor? If this asinine recall passes, and since the new Govenor only needs 15% of the vote to be elected, we could have 4-5 new governors a year, every year, from now on.


It only works once; if the Democrats instantly move for a recall after they lose the special election, public sentiment will move even further against them, and they will probably lose the state legislature...the purpose of this recall is to replace someone who has failed the people (by any poll you care to look at) the state; a majority of Democrats support the recall. An immediate recall of the next (R) governor of California would be simply vindictive and unwarranted, thus I would predict that the constituency will punish the Democrats the next time around...a risk I am sure the DNC does not want to run.
 

manly

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As usual, you speak forcefully but you're wrong on most counts.

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Typical democrats.

It started with the impeachment of President Clinton, when the Republicans could not beat him in 1996.?
HAHA. The big issue there is that Clinton LIED to the face of the American people. Anyone who does that is not fit to run a country, period. Also, if a CEO of a large company had been accused of inappropriate sexual relations like that, he (she) would certainly step down. That had NOTHING to do with republicans trying to subvert the democratic process. Read the article for more info on the subject.
I'm not going to entertain the whole impeachment soap opera, but I will question your logic. It's probably a pretty healthy number of Fortune 500 CEOs and politicians that cheat on their wives (Warren Buffett has been estranged from his wife for years). Although most aren't called to the carpet to answer allegations of marital infidelity, your argument is that we probably should scrap a large number of CEOs and politicians because of their private lives. Absurdity as usual.
It continued in Florida, where they stopped the vote count, depriving thousands of Americans of the right to vote.?
There were THREE recounts! For crying out loud, how many does it take??? If you didn't win after THREE recounts, YOU LOST! Democrats were the ones trying to subvert the democratic process there because they were trying to change laws and make them retroactive to before the election so that Gore would win. Republicans put a stop to that because that is wrong.
That's your opinion. No comment here.
?This year, they?re trying to steal additional congressional seats in Colorado and Texas, overturning legal redistricting plans.?
How is redistricting wrong? Just because someone says they are trying to 'steal' congressional seats doesn't make it true. There has been big shifts in the populations of states in recent years. Something had to be done.
Someone else already explained how redistricting usually occurs in concert with the national census. Not by fiat of the GOP House Majority Leader.
?Here in California, the Republicans lost the governor?s race last November. Now they?re trying to use this recall to seize control of California just before the next presidential election.?
I have to laugh out loud at this one. Davis is obviously a terrible governor. He seriously hurt CA and the people want him out. It was the people who created the push to recall him, not republicans. Sure, it was funded by a republican, but they needed LOTS of public support to actually accomplish this. The people have spoken, and they said to get him out. Democrats just don't want to lose their own position in a key state and as such are trying to blame the whole thing on republicans.
You later admitted that you don't really understand the situation, and only know what you read on the Internet. To summarize the other posts, the petition-gathering was funded by a GOP congressman, who wanted to run for governor, just 2 months after the general election of November. Furthermore, the bar to qualify for a recall, 12.5% of the last elections voters according to Moonbeam (or somewhere thereabouts, I forget), is an extremely low bar. I guess your definition of public support is different from mine.

(As an aside) By your definition, I assume LOTS of residents of France and Germany supported the invasion of Iraq since you can probably get 12.5% support from their polling. By your logic, the Coalition of the Willing was a lot bigger than any of us realized!

Laugh all you want, but your own admission of ignorance on the recall undermines your argument. Besides, replacing Davis with Bustamante isn't going to help CA recover any sooner. I think a lot of moderates across party lines would prefer to keep Davis rather than choose Bustamante, if the latter really is keen on $8 billion in new taxes.
 

ReiAyanami

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guess how much they decided to raise UC tuition fees? 30%. that's way more than 10 years worth of inflation all into a single quarter.

and i definetly know this increase by far overcompensates for the $400 million "shortage" davis has pulled from them ($400 mill does not equal to 30% of the budget)

http://registrar.ucsd.edu/studentlink/feeletter.pdf

this is on top of large fee increases last quarter and a massive fee increase planned for 2007 (those who goto the school know why, price center expansion
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does anybody know how much a surplus the UC system's budget is? i know they have atleast one billion in the bank that they've accumulated from ripping us off
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
[ ... ] a majority of Democrats support the recall.
Not any more. The numbers have changed.

An immediate recall of the next (R) governor of California would be simply vindictive and unwarranted [ ... ]
Why? The recall drive began merely a month after the plurality of California voters re-elected Davis. Nothing changed so dramatically within that month to justify overturning those results ... except an aggressive smear campaign by a Republican sore loser.



 

JellyBaby

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Joke of the day (stop me if you've heard this one):

Why wasn't Jesus born in California?

Because they couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.

Ah, perhaps you had to be there. ... Subversive perhaps but healthy on the whole. Just as what happened in FLA. Cali will end up stronger (if they address this quirk of their electorial method, that is). Other states will look at their own books and adjust them for the better.

Cali's sacrafice? Enduring Ahnuld for a short time. How he'll help the state without cutting spending is a complete mystery to me but he has solid hair and that makes him electable and I'm focused only on that right now.