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Broheim

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If it was a T2GT thread the title would have been 'my gf is buying a house but she's making me pay for it.'

nah I think the title would have been the same, the substance wouldn't though.

"my girlfriend and her mom found a house and is making me pay for it, I'm little bitch, bitch, bitch, actually I'm twelve and don't have a girlfriend and I don't own 5 cars and I'm a bitch" or something along those lines :whiste:
 

Spungo

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I don't mean to be a downer but aren't we in the middle of another gigantic bubble? This might be the worst time to buy something. Individual situation may vary.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...bble-oh-you-mean-one-thats-bigger-2007-bubble

I'm still banking on this being one of the biggest crashes in history. Just like most other bubbles, it will crash when the fed starts tightening the money supply and raising interest rates.
 

momeNt

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If she's paying for half, how is this a mistake?

If she isn't paying for half. OP to protect himself can keep a detailed log of the transactions that go into paying for the mortgage PITI in order to protect some sort of unfair division of the asset.
 

Spungo

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If she's paying for half, how is this a mistake?
It would possibly be a mistake if they priced the house under the assumption of having 2 incomes. Either person getting fired or going AWOL would lead to selling the home as quickly as possible, usually with a steep discount.

My bf and I got a condo together, but the condo title and the mortgage were in my name, and the price range was based entirely on my income. He moved out a year later and it wasn't an issue. No legal battles, no lack of money to pay the mortgage.
 

sourceninja

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If she's paying for half, how is this a mistake?

If she isn't paying for half. OP to protect himself can keep a detailed log of the transactions that go into paying for the mortgage PITI in order to protect some sort of unfair division of the asset.

MY argument against marriage is that divorce hurts your credit score. Dumping your girl/boy friend does not.
 

Vdubchaos

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MY argument against marriage is that divorce hurts your credit score. Dumping your girl/boy friend does not.

But if your girl friends decides to give up on her life and simply not sale the property and just live there, there is NOTHING OP can do about it and take the credit score hit and never get any money out of it.

It can be and very often is WORSE than being married. In a divorce things have to be settled.

In a relationship, legally, NOTHING has to be settled. From a legal perspective it's more of a nightmare to get into property ownership without marriage.
 

alkemyst

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I don't mean to be a downer but aren't we in the middle of another gigantic bubble? This might be the worst time to buy something. Individual situation may vary.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...bble-oh-you-mean-one-thats-bigger-2007-bubble

I'm still banking on this being one of the biggest crashes in history. Just like most other bubbles, it will crash when the fed starts tightening the money supply and raising interest rates.

Owning a place to live with what are some of the best rates in history is a huge plus. You can bet if the shit hits the fan, rent will be astronomical. If mortgage rates end up 12%+ again like 1980 to 1985 (or worse), home ownership will be very difficult for most.

Most don't know the math behind a mortgage.

$175k @ 0%APR = $486.11 / month, Total Interest Paid: $0
$175k @ 3%APR = $737.81 / month, Total Interest Paid: $90,610.54
$175k @ 7%APR = $1164.28 / month, Total Interest Paid: $244,140.57
$175k @ 12%APR = $1800.07 / month, Total Interest Paid: $473,025.94!!!!
$175k @ 18%APR = $2637.40 / month, Total Interest Paid: $774,463.78!!!!!!!!!!<- with principle close to $1,000,000 for that $175k home!

That's before taxes and insurance.

Also at the higher rates, one's 'points' (each 'point' is the borrower paying 1% of mortgaged amount to pay the APR down) were also high...we are hovering around .7% for points since 2004 and 1% since as far back as 1999. Prior to that points in the neighborhood of 2.5-3.0 was the norm (so for a $175k home $4275-5250 just to 'buy' a better interest rate; that's not down payment or total closing costs).

Shit can get real fast. Even for many here they end up priced out of the home they'd love to own over 3-4% of APR.
 
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Carson Dyle

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I just bought a house (closing this week), girlfriend that I live with will be renting from me to help cover the mortgage. No joint deals unless there is a pre-nup and a ceremony.

You're going to make your live-in girlfriend pay rent??? That's rich.
 

sze5003

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I don't know but most bf and gf couples split rent. My gf only usually stays over on weekends so she doesn't pay anything.

I'd be weary of such a big I investment with a gf. Make sure you look into your state laws around the property issues.
 

jagec

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I don't mean to be a downer but aren't we in the middle of another gigantic bubble? This might be the worst time to buy something. Individual situation may vary.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...bble-oh-you-mean-one-thats-bigger-2007-bubble

I'm still banking on this being one of the biggest crashes in history. Just like most other bubbles, it will crash when the fed starts tightening the money supply and raising interest rates.

"Banking"? So you're shorting stocks?

Also, a chart of a REIT index posted on a notoriously doom-and-gloom blog is NOT the same thing as proof. Would you look at Toyota stock as a proxy for new car prices? The Case-Shiller index puts us at 2004 home prices, or about 76% of the peak 2006 values.
 

Spungo

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Owning a place to live with what are some of the best rates in history is a huge plus. You can bet if the shit hits the fan, rent will be astronomical. If mortgage rates end up 12%+ again like 1980 to 1985 (or worse), home ownership will be very difficult for most.
I'm guessing you were not alive in the 1980's. My parents bought their house in the early 1980's and the market was exactly as economics would predict. As interest rates rise, the price of everything goes down. This is because there less money in circulation. This is why people following Austrian economics think it's hilarious when elected retards try to "help" poor people by lowering interest rates. What they're really doing is enslaving poor people by making everything more expensive. They did this with housing, they did this with education, and they'll find some other new way to screw poor people if you give them enough time.

Use this mortgage calculator as an example:
https://www.usbank.com/calculators/jsp/MortgageLoan.jsp
For starters, I think we can all agree that interest rates do not affect your wage. Do you get a pay cut or pay increase when the fed changes interest rates? Of course not. Suppose a person can afford to pay $2,000 per month for a house. They have the same $2,000 budget regardless of what the interest rates are, so the price of houses will normalize based on monthly payments. Using that calculator, this is what a house will cost at various rates for 30 years:
1% --> $600,000 (give or take)
2% --> $550,000
3% --> $470,000
4% --> $420,000
10% --> $230,000
15% --> $160,000

This simple relationship between how much money is in circulation and how much things cost is what caused the housing crash. Interest rates were extremely low after the dot com crash, so housing prices quickly exploded. Realizing there was a bubble, the fed jacked up interest rates. This caused house value to drop, and that started the chain reaction of panic selling.
 

alkemyst

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I'm guessing you were not alive in the 1980's. My parents bought their house in the early 1980's and the market was exactly as economics would predict. As interest rates rise, the price of everything goes down. This is because there less money in circulation. This is why people following Austrian economics think it's hilarious when elected retards try to "help" poor people by lowering interest rates. What they're really doing is enslaving poor people by making everything more expensive. They did this with housing, they did this with education, and they'll find some other new way to screw poor people if you give them enough time.

Use this mortgage calculator as an example:
https://www.usbank.com/calculators/jsp/MortgageLoan.jsp
For starters, I think we can all agree that interest rates do not affect your wage. Do you get a pay cut or pay increase when the fed changes interest rates? Of course not. Suppose a person can afford to pay $2,000 per month for a house. They have the same $2,000 budget regardless of what the interest rates are, so the price of houses will normalize based on monthly payments. Using that calculator, this is what a house will cost at various rates for 30 years:
1% --> $600,000 (give or take)
2% --> $550,000
3% --> $470,000
4% --> $420,000
10% --> $230,000
15% --> $160,000

This simple relationship between how much money is in circulation and how much things cost is what caused the housing crash. Interest rates were extremely low after the dot com crash, so housing prices quickly exploded. Realizing there was a bubble, the fed jacked up interest rates. This caused house value to drop, and that started the chain reaction of panic selling.

I have no idea what you are trying to say in that post. I was born in 1971. When I was 12 I started working part time with the Savings and Loan my dad was a VP at. I worked for mortgage companies until 1999.

It doesn't work anywhere near the way you are stating.
 

HendrixFan

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I have no idea what you are trying to say in that post. I was born in 1971. When I was 12 I started working part time with the Savings and Loan my dad was a VP at. I worked for mortgage companies until 1999.

It doesn't work anywhere near the way you are stating.

That explains alot. Spungo is exactly right in how interest rates influence home values. There is a reason interest rates are low now, it is to help prop up home values and keep property taxes flowing to local governments.
 

jagec

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This simple relationship between how much money is in circulation and how much things cost is what caused the housing crash. Interest rates were extremely low after the dot com crash, so housing prices quickly exploded. Realizing there was a bubble, the fed jacked up interest rates. This caused house value to drop, and that started the chain reaction of panic selling.
LOL, yup, that's what happened:
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And if we zoom into just the last few decades:
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Care to show me where the Fed "jacked up interest rates" to cause the crash?
 

Spungo

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I have no idea what you are trying to say in that post. I was born in 1971. When I was 12 I started working part time with the Savings and Loan my dad was a VP at. I worked for mortgage companies until 1999.

It doesn't work anywhere near the way you are stating.
Maybe it's different in your part of the world, but in Washington it works the way I said. My parents bought their house around 1981 for about $60,000 at an interest rate of something like 12%. Let's convert that to today's dollars using this CPI calculator. $60,000 in 1981 is $149,224 in 2012. One could say that was one hell of a good deal because it's currently worth about $330,000. When you factor in interest rates, you'll find that the two are a lot closer than they appear.
$149,224 at 12% over 30 years = $1,534.94/mo in today's dollars
BoA's posted fixed rate is 4.278%
$330,000 at 4.278% over 30 years = $1,628.82/mo in today's dollars

Do you see how that works? The cost of goods is based on how much money people have. If people in 1981 had the same budget as people today with the same job, they end up paying the same monthly rate for their mortgage. The difference is that high interest rates are much easier to pay off because the principal is significantly lower. My dad's single income was able to support a family of 4 and pay off the entire mortgage in less than 10 years. Today? Good luck with that.
When the interest rate is up around 12% and the principal of the loan in today's dollars is $149,224, what percentage of the principal are you paying off when you live as cheap as possible and pay an extra $10,000? 10000/149224 = 6.7%
Now let's try that at a lower interest rate. You're in the same house, still living as cheap as possible, you still saved an extra $10,000 to pay off the mortgage, but now you're looking at $330,000 of principal. 10000/330000 = 3.0%

This simple math demonstrates how low interest rates have destroyed the middle class. My parents got a killer deal. Every dollar they saved and paid toward the mortgage actually made a huge difference because the principal was so low. Now that interest rates are super low and people can borrow 10x their yearly income, it takes forever to pay anything off.

I know that a lot of people don't understand this very simple concept, and I really don't know why. People go to a poor place like Mexico and they see that everything is way cheaper. Did they ever ask why? A lot of charities work this angle to guilt people into giving donations. They'll say something like "did you know half the world lives on less than $1 per day?" and they never explain what the cost of living is in those areas. When people make $1 per day, the cost of food might only be $0.50. It's not like people need to work 3 days to buy 1 meal. That's not how the free market works.
 

Spungo

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Care to show me where the Fed "jacked up interest rates" to cause the crash?

Not sure where you're getting your data for interest rates, but it's WAY off. Not even close.

Wiki: interest rates started climing some time before 2005
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Federal Reserve: some time around 2004-2005
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You probably remember hearing on the news how some people borrowed up to their ears with a floating interest rate. As the fed raised interest rates, people were suddenly drowning in debt. Some people saw their monthly payments jump by 20%,30%,40%.
 

alkemyst

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LOL, yup, that's what happened:
v86f.png


And if we zoom into just the last few decades:
7w9t.jpg


Care to show me where the Fed "jacked up interest rates" to cause the crash?

QFT...people have a really messed up understanding. The guy above really had no clue what his parents did in Washington.