sub $300 dollar pc!?

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Googer

Those ExcelStor drives are slow and complete junk, he is better off trusting his precious work to a maxtor, seagate, fujitsu, Western Digital, or Hitachi that has less storage and better reliablity and performance. And I do mean Complete when I say complete JUNK; every aspect of these things are junk, the full complete 360° circle of crap.

Why would you say that? All the reviews for it (and the 40GB version, for that matter) looked great. Even Tomshardware has good things to say about Excelstor: http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/20031219/4midclass_hds-12.html

Also I would avoid anything with a socket A for performance reasons.

What else can he afford on a $300 budget? Anyway, I have an Athlon XP 2400+, and it runs very well.

And for $1 more you can get a case with a larger 430 watt power supply. When It comes to PSU's bigger is definitly better.

But look at the reviews on newegg. You'll see that the case I picked out has over a hundred good comments, and an overall rating of four out of five stars. The 430W case has only two reviews, albeit positive.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Googer
OOPS! Got that coming too, Case is $25 or less

$25 for a Grand Total of $297 plus a $15 rebate that brings the toal cost to $282. I estamate that you can have it shipped to you for around $300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811164058

If the total is $297, how can you say "I estimate you can have it shipped to you for around $300"? The shipping is $27.

You know, you've made plenty reasonable posts in the past. I don't know why you went completely off your rocker in this thread.

You added a terrible case with no fans and a totally generic power supply. You're not even trying to be realistic. You're just trying to throw together the cheapest crap system imaginable so you can fit in that CPU. Now you've gone completely insane and started posting a million eBay listings for old used parts.

Those Semprons are really good CPUs. I mean, that'd be great if you could build a 90nm Socket 754 Sempron system for $300 with DVI, but it looks like you can't. You keep trying to do it, and even using terrible parts you can't pull it off.

Socket A is a bit outdated, but he'll probably have to add at least $50 to the budget to have any hope of a decent Socket 754 system.

Not that there's anything wrong with eBay or the sale/trade forum, but if he's going to take a chance on that he just needs to see what great deals he can pull off on the big parts then worry about the rest.

Then tell me where have I failed? The sum of all my parts came to less than $300. I have seen $900 HP's that have been shipped to peoples home that did not come with fans except for the one inside of the power supply. That is all he needs. What else are you going to expect from a budget system?

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Googer

Then tell me where have I failed? The sum of all my parts came to less than $300. I have seen $900 HP's that have been shipped to peoples home that did not come with fans except for the one inside of the power supply. That is all he needs. What else are you going to expect from a budget system?

First of all, your parts exceed $300 with shipping. Secondly, I don't think he wants to buy used components. Also, you really only gave him the bare minimum. You could have gone with socket A or socket 478 and still afford a DVD burner or bigger hard disk. Or both, as I was able to show.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: Googer

Those ExcelStor drives are slow and complete junk, he is better off trusting his precious work to a maxtor, seagate, fujitsu, Western Digital, or Hitachi that has less storage and better reliablity and performance. And I do mean Complete when I say complete JUNK; every aspect of these things are junk, the full complete 360° circle of crap.

Why would you say that? All the reviews for it (and the 40GB version, for that matter) looked great. Even Tomshardware has good things to say about Excelstor: http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/20031219/4midclass_hds-12.html

Also I would avoid anything with a socket A for performance reasons.

What else can he afford on a $300 budget? Anyway, I have an Athlon XP 2400+, and it runs very well.

And for $1 more you can get a case with a larger 430 watt power supply. When It comes to PSU's bigger is definitly better.

But look at the reviews on newegg. You'll see that the case I picked out has over a hundred good comments, and an overall rating of four out of five stars. The 430W case has only two reviews, albeit positive.

Because earlier reports on ExcelStor Drives were not too good. They are a (Chineese i believe) Startup company with little experience and virtualy no Industry Track record, I would rather take a no name case with only 2 reviews than get a no name hard drive with few reviews or track record. A HARD DRIVE IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT AND ONLY THE MOST ELITE AND PROVEN BRANDS SHOULD BE ALLOWD TO EARN YOUR TRUST (AND $MONEY$), IT WILL BE A LONG TIME BEFORE I EVER BUY AN EXCELSTOR..

Just think of this, a motherboard failure costs 50-100 dollars to replace, RAM costs $50-$500 to replace, a CPU costs $75-500 to replace. Data on a hard drive COSTS as much as all of those combined or more. Upwards of $2,200 or more can be spent on data recovery alone. It's not worth saving a few dollars now when in the future it could end up costing thousands. Considering this machine will be used for programming the work he will be doing should be considerd priceless and almost irreplaceable.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: Googer

Then tell me where have I failed? The sum of all my parts came to less than $300. I have seen $900 HP's that have been shipped to peoples home that did not come with fans except for the one inside of the power supply. That is all he needs. What else are you going to expect from a budget system?

First of all, your parts exceed $300 with shipping. Secondly, I don't think he wants to buy used components. Also, you really only gave him the bare minimum. You could have gone with socket A or socket 478 and still afford a DVD burner or bigger hard disk. Or both, as I was able to show.

Where have I said he was buying used componets: nowhere. Second why are you telling me what he wants, cant he do that?

Third, I am after the biggest performance bang for the buck. A socket 478 Celeron and bigger disk do not do that. The opening post says 40gb is big enough. He said a burner is not necessary, just like he said about the modem.

I have 200 GB and download MUSIC, Store Photos, Have Win2k SP4 installed on it, and all of my programs installed on it, oh and don't forget all the MISC intenet garbage that finds its way on to HDD's. I have yet to use more than 30GB of my 200 Avalable. If he needs more later then later on he can cheaply buy 80gb for $45 in the future.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Googer

Where have I said he was buying used componets: nowhere.

This is the system you designed:
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Googer/297_Dollars_AMD_Skt754_512RAM_DVD_DVI.png

As you can see, the video card you picked out is used.

Second why are you telling me what he wants, cant he do that?

I thought I'd save him the trouble. Besides, it seemed like you were eager to have your question answered.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: Googer

Where have I said he was buying used componets: nowhere.

This is the system you designed:
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Googer/297_Dollars_AMD_Skt754_512RAM_DVD_DVI.png

As you can see, the video card you picked out is used.

Second why are you telling me what he wants, cant he do that?

I thought I'd save him the trouble. Besides, it seemed like you were eager to have your question answered.

Let him decide it that is what he want's for $25 I would not complain too much, especially since it is about 30% cheaper than a retail box version.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Googer

Because earlier reports on ExcelStor Drives were not too good. They are a (Chineese i believe) Startup company with little experience and virtualy no Industry Track record,

Again, where are you getting this info? I've heard nothing but good things about Excelstor.

I would rather take a no name case with only 2 reviews than get a no name hard drive with few reviews or track record. A HARD DRIVE IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT AND ONLY THE MOST ELITE AND PROVEN BRANDS SHOULD BE ALLOWD TO EARN YOUR TRUST (AND $MONEY$),

Excelstor is not a no-name brand. Their products have been reviewed by Tomshardware and ordinary consumers, alike, and not one person had anything bad to say about them. Why are you so dead-set against them?

Just think of this, a motherboard failure costs 50-100 dollars to replace, RAM costs $50-$500 to replace, a CPU costs $75-500 to replace. Data on a hard drive COSTS as much as all of those combined or more. Upwards of $2,200 or more can be spent on data recovery alone. It's not worth saving a few dollars now when in the future it could end up costing thousands. Considering this machine will be used for programming the work he will be doing should be considerd priceless and almost irreplaceable.

Hard disks can crash, regardless of brand or model. That's why you should back up important data. That's why I included a DVD burner in my suggested design. Sheesh!

 

[Googer]

Hard Drives all have some kind failure rate, but some fail more than others. ExcelStor has no track record and the drives are cheaply constructed.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Googer

Let him decide it that is what he want's for $25 I would not complain too much, especially since it is about 30% cheaper than a retail box version.

Judging by his past posts, it appears he doesn't want a used component. But, if he does, it is good that you pointed that out.

Also you have recomended a refurbished part your self.

You must be thinking of someone else. I have made no such recommendation.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Googer
Hard Drives all have some kind failure rate, but some fail more than others. ExcelStor has no track record

Yes, they do. Read the links I gave you.

and the drives are cheaply constructed.

Can you please tell me where you're getting this negative information about Excelstor? Are you just making it up?

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: Googer
Hard Drives all have some kind failure rate, but some fail more than others. ExcelStor has no track record

Yes, they do. Read the links I gave you.

and the drives are cheaply constructed.

Can you please tell me where you're getting this negative information about Excelstor? Are you just making it up?

I am not making it up, some is based on fist hand experience and the other I will have to find the article on the 'net somewhere. I did not bookmark it.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Anyway, I don't think it's a big deal. Newegg has an 80 GB Samsung drive for $1 more than the Excelstor drive. But the Samsung drive's seek time is slightly higher. If it were me, I'd go Excelstor, but if Jacob wants a more common brand, he can go for the Samsung.

 

[Googer]

[*]A lot of people dont like cheap PSU's for the Same reason why I don't like Cheap HDD's (and PSU'S).

 

[Googer]

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Googer
[*]A lot of people dont like cheap PSU's for the Same reason why I don't like Cheap HDD's (and PSU'S).

I've always wondered about power supplies: do name-brand psus really help make a PC more reliable? However, the bottom line is I have seen no real evidence that an expensive model improves system performance in any way. Moreover, considering that he's on a $300 budget, the extra $50 or so required to get a third-party psu should be spent on better things.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: Googer
[*]A lot of people dont like cheap PSU's for the Same reason why I don't like Cheap HDD's (and PSU'S).

I've always wondered about power supplies: do name-brand psus really help make a PC more reliable? However, the bottom line is I have seen no real evidence that an expensive model improves system performance in any way. Moreover, considering that he's on a $300 budget, the extra $50 or so required to get a third-party psu should be spent on better things.

Yes, there are a lot of stories of PSU's improving reliablity (I have some myself).
Anyways All of these drives we are arguing about are all the Same Price of $50.
Maxtor $51
ExcelStor
Samsung

 

[shoRunner]

a cheap PSU is a much more dangerous thing than anything else in your system, since when it goes out it could take everything else with it. I'd never trust the no name PSU in some linkworld case. I've seen may PSU from cheap cases go and often times taking a motherboard and CPU with them. The reason for this is that they cannot put out a stable current...they also can either undervolt or overvolt a system. You can get lucky with a cheap PSU but why not spend a few bucks more and go with something that is known to be good. You can find FSP or SPI power supplies for cheap and they are known to be good.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: shoRunner
a cheap PSU is a much more dangerous thing than anything else in your system, since when it goes out it could take everything else with it. I'd never trust the no name PSU in some linkworld case. I've seen may PSU from cheap cases go and often times taking a motherboard and CPU with them. The reason for this is that they cannot put out a stable current...they also can either undervolt or overvolt a system. You can get lucky with a cheap PSU but why not spend a few bucks more and go with something that is known to be good. You can find FSP or SPI power supplies for cheap and they are known to be good.

SURPRISE! It's a budget system! A decent PSU is going to break his budget, besides the parts in this system are cheap enough that if one goes it will be like replacing a light bulb: No Big Deal.

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=T85SSI

 

[Googer]

So tell us what have you decided on? Please keep us updated and informed.

 

[Zebo]

OP if you want a screamer not junk ass parts look here. Don't buy those PC chips combos when you don't have to. Your budget is fine @300.

$300 Shipped all at Newegg.com all you want and more.


Case with 400W PSU- Rosewill Silver ATX Mid Tower Case, Model "R214P"
$36.99

CD/DVD Burner- Toshiba Beige 52x32x52x16 Internal IDE combo Drive, Model SD-R1612, OEM
Item# N82E16827130028
$28.99

Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset) Dynatron CPU Cooler for Socket A/ 370, Model "C22 (DC1206BM-L/ 610-T)" -RETAIL
Item# N82E16835114005
$5.99

Hard Drives
SAMSUNG 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model SP0822N, OEM Drive only
Item# N82E16822152021
$54.00

Memory (System Memory) Kingmax SuperRAM Series Dual Channel Kit 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC-3200, Model MPXC22D-2K Retail
Item# N82E16820156019
$39.98


Motherboards - AMD CHAINTECH "SKT600" KT600 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
Item# N82E16813152040
$40.00

Processor AMD Duron 1.8GHz Socket A Processor - OEM
Item# N82E16819104160
$43.00

Video Card Rosewill ATI RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 64MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "RW92SE-64D2" -RETAIL
Item# N82E16814164028
$33.99



Product total: $282.94
Shipping & Handling: $ 19.79

$302.73


Fist of all a duron 1.8 is fast already but here you have a highly clockable system, all seperate components, ready to OC if you desire. I got my Duron at 2250Mhz simply by raising bus speed to 166 no volts added! This is about as fast as an Athlon XP 3000 since Durons suffer little from reduced cache from thier Athlon XP brothers.. You'll blow any dell POS away and the PC3200 and chaintech board will get you there comfortably.. 80GB Hardrive and samsung quality. And finally the Videocard has DVI and crystal clear graphics unlike dell on board graphic

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: CreativeTom
That's not true at all....open a small business acount and most of the time they run specials with free shipping. I just purchased a machine there yesterday for a bit over $320 with some extra options on it. I think maybe you need to think before you type Tostada.

If you actually bother creating a Small Business account, and look at their cheapest system that has no monitor and no OS, yes, you can get a system for $319 and free ground shipping.

That system still has sales tax, so you're paying $345 for a Celeron that has Intel Extreme Graphics, 256MB RAM and a 48X CD-ROM. It has a 90-day warranty and no on-site service.

The guy said he needed DVI, a DVD-ROM and as much RAM as possible for under $300. Dell can give him a system with no DVI, no DVD-ROM and 256MB for $345.

So maybe you're the one who needs to think before you type.

Yea I've never found dell cheap unless you get those one a year screaming deals..even then it's rebates galore.. Homey don't play rebates.