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Googer

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Originally posted by: Tostada
Originally posted by: Googer
Yes, with $15 mail in rebate it comes to $293. If i searched froogle.google.com I can get this thing for less. Some simple modifications can change that. The Motherboard might have DVI via expansion header, I will need to look in to that.

LOL!

If someone has $300, he can't get that system. You refuse to include shipping, and you're taking off the rebate that you won't get back for several months. The simple fact is that the system you listed is $335.95, and it doesn't have DVI or a DVD-ROM like he asked for.

OK, so you updated the system to something a lot different, but why do still refuse to include shipping?

Shipping almost never counts when you people are suggesting DELL, they charge over $100 for shipping of a $299 PC. So why does it matter here. The SUM of the parts is less than $300 and that is all he is asking for.
 

Matthias99

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err works for me pal....so i aint complaing,

infact its worked loads of times, college gave away uneeded XP pro disks and said how u get the code is upto you..so i wrote down a few off the new computers they got, and ive installed XP on many a machine with them, all still work flawlessly and ive reinstalled too on a few of them so from that i conclude 1-2cpu = two computers

"1-2 CPU" licenses are for a single system with either one or two CPUs. IE, it will work on a box with HyperThreading or dual cores and use both CPUs. It does NOT mean you can install it on multiple computers.
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: Googer
Shipping almost never counts when you people are suggesting DELL, they charge over $100 for shipping of a $299 PC. So why does it matter here. The SUM of the parts is less than $300 and that is all he is asking for.

That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.

The fact that Dell charges $100 to ship a system is exactly why their $300 system is terrible.

Other people have come up with systems that actually fit the budget. You, on the other hand, are trying to impress people by making a Socket 754 system that totally breaks the budget, and then somehow argue that you're not breaking the budget at all.

Why does it matter? Just think about what you're saying.

Here's a simple test. Which one is a better deal:

1) A $400 computer with $100 shipping and a $100 mail-in rebate
2) A $300 computer with free shipping and no rebates

By your logic, they both cost the same.

Maybe you should ask the original poster how he feels about shipping.

Honestly, how absurd can you get? What if I built a system for some guy who asked me to build him a $500 system, then I show up and tell him, "Here's your $500 system. You owe me another $50 for shipping, and another $15 on top of that, but don't worry, you'll get that $15 back in 8 months from a rebate."
 

JacobJ

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Tostada
Originally posted by: Googer
Wow I cannot believe I did it!

Damn, did you read any of the original post except the $300 part?

His first requirement is DVI, and he also needs a DVD-ROM. Your system has neither, and that case doesn't have any fans in it.

It's not even a $300 system. Your subtotal is $308.98 before you consider shipping.

$15.99 case + $5 mobo + $0.99 CPU + $0.99 hard drive + $4 CD-ROM

The total cost is $335.95 (although you might get that $15 mail-in rebate on the RAM in about a year, which would help).

Here is my Revised PC, it is $271 but take off the $15 rebate and the price comes down to $256 with Plenty of room to spare. With the money saved you could add another 512mb for $30 and have a $300 system with 1 GIGABYTE OF RAM!

Here it is complete with DVD, DVI, and Money to spare!
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Googer/256_Dollar_SKT754_DVD_DVI_512MB_PC.png
L##&!

wow! now that's what I was looking for. :D
Thanks Googer.

 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Googer
Here is my Revised PC, it is $271 but take off the $15 rebate and the price comes down to $256 with Plenty of room to spare. With the money saved you could add another 512mb for $30 and have a $300 system with 1 GIGABYTE OF RAM!

Here it is complete with DVD, DVI, and Money to spare!
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Googer/256_Dollar_SKT754_DVD_DVI_512MB_PC.png
L##&!

wow! now that's what I was looking for. :D
Thanks Googer.

Really? Were you looking for a system without a case?
 

shoRunner

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i was just about to point that out...there is no case or powersupply...or DVI...but whatever
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Turkey22
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: shoRunner
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Before people knock on Dell, please come up with something better for the price. Dell uses good chassis, great PSUs, bulletproof motherboards, and they include a Windows XP license.

i wouldn't be quite so gungho about dells reliabilty...its certainly no better than anyother OEM or selfbuilt machine.

We were talking about a $300 PC, and I think Dell would win easily in reliability for that price range vs. another OEM/homebrew system. This is purely from experience, going through about 5 of their desktops per week.


Lmao Dell fanboy. If you want a crappy flatscreen monitor you cannot beat their prices. By crappy I mean the "free" upgrade to a flatscreen that we got here and all of the lcds have a blurry spot down the middle 45+ monitors. Also the lowest after all of Dell's fees that you can get is in the $600 including educational discounts and thats for celerons. I personally built a 2300+sempron system for someone the other day for $400, she then went out and bought a decent lcd for another $130 or so. That machine spanks the crap out of the 2.2 p4 dells we have here now and gives the 2.8 with dualchannel a run for their money. (both of which I'm sure were purchased for $1200 each. Also had another guy I build for getting ready to order another cpu from as the last he bought from dell. He buys more for performance, but on that end anyone can smoke dell's prices out of the water. Btw I don't skimp on anything except occaisionally cases (but not the psu). If you don't know how to build a pc you buy from dell, if you know anyone who can you buy from them if you are looking for quality and price.

Btw we've had plenty of problems with faulty Dell hardware as our district has been Dell only for at least 6 years. Their not bad and their service is usually solid (I've never been rerouted to India) but their pretty much the same as buying your own parts regarding reliability.

You knock Dell, and you don't even list the specs for your so-called $400 wonder-machine...tacky.

Blurry LCDs? Rrrrrright......I've used their E173FP, E193FP, 1901FP, 1905FP, 2001FP, and 2005FPW, and NONE of them ever had blurry spots. But typically you don't expect a blurry spot to appear on a fixed-pixel display.

I would hope that people who browse enthusiast forums like Anandtech would be a little smarter than you about getting a deal on a computer, but apparently not. But let me just say, as a quick example, that $500 last month got you a brand new Dimension 8400 (P4 630, 512MB, 160GB, 16XDVD, Radeon X300SE) and a 19" E193FP. If you're spending $600 on a Celeron system, you deserve to be frustrated.

If I had $1000 to spend on a system...yeah I'd probably build my own. If I had $500, I'd get a Dell.


Well the lcd's in question are the E172FPt and yes they have a blurry patch down the left center of the screen, all of them. They also have horrible ghosting problems when scrolling and viewing websites. As much as I like the screen real estate these are sub par to my 17" crt at home.

Looking at Dell's website I see a model at "$298" and "$359". I quote those because after all of their extra charges the total is at least $100 or more extra. Btw these are both celeron 2.4 with 256 MB of ram and integrated graphics. Also looking a bit to my left I see your Dimension 8400 selling for "$824". Maybe they raised their prices $300 for the same thing in a month or maybe you were looking at something else...

The machine I built was a sempron 2300+ (socket A, basically a repackaged athlonxp), a 9200se (cheap card with dvi), 80 gig Seagate HD (no need for more), it was either a gigabyte or epox mobo with Lan and sound, the case was cheap without looking crappy and the psu was a 420watt with a solid 12v rail (18a I think). This also included a modem that not everyone would need and a floppy drive, which many people forgoe. Oh yeah and an NEC3520 dvd burner. Also an optical mouse with air cooling (cheapest decent looking mouse).

Btw at least check your facts on the dell pricing before spouting off on their virtues.
 

JacobJ

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Originally posted by: Tostada
Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Googer
Here is my Revised PC, it is $271 but take off the $15 rebate and the price comes down to $256 with Plenty of room to spare. With the money saved you could add another 512mb for $30 and have a $300 system with 1 GIGABYTE OF RAM!

Here it is complete with DVD, DVI, and Money to spare!
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Googer/256_Dollar_SKT754_DVD_DVI_512MB_PC.png
L##&!

wow! now that's what I was looking for. :D
Thanks Googer.

Really? Were you looking for a system without a case?

doh! I guess I should pay more attention :eek:

 
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Originally posted by: Matthias99
err works for me pal....so i aint complaing,

infact its worked loads of times, college gave away uneeded XP pro disks and said how u get the code is upto you..so i wrote down a few off the new computers they got, and ive installed XP on many a machine with them, all still work flawlessly and ive reinstalled too on a few of them so from that i conclude 1-2cpu = two computers

"1-2 CPU" licenses are for a single system with either one or two CPUs. IE, it will work on a box with HyperThreading or dual cores and use both CPUs. It does NOT mean you can install it on multiple computers.


i never knew that, i thought 1-2cpu meant this is valid for use with 2 cpu's any two ie any two computers

nevermind now though its abit late the deed is done
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Tostada
Originally posted by: JacobJ
Originally posted by: Googer
Here is my Revised PC, it is $271 but take off the $15 rebate and the price comes down to $256 with Plenty of room to spare. With the money saved you could add another 512mb for $30 and have a $300 system with 1 GIGABYTE OF RAM!

Here it is complete with DVD, DVI, and Money to spare!
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Googer/256_Dollar_SKT754_DVD_DVI_512MB_PC.png
L##&!

wow! now that's what I was looking for. :D
Thanks Googer.

Really? Were you looking for a system without a case?

doh! I guess I should pay more attention :eek:


OOPS! Got that coming too, Case is $25 or less

$25 for a Grand Total of $297 plus a $15 rebate that brings the toal cost to $282. I estamate that you can have it shipped to you for around $300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811164058


IF YOU CARE ABOUT CUTTING THE COST OF THIS SYSTEM THEN, DON'T BUY ALL OF YOUR PARTS FROM NEWEGG.COM. INSTEAD SHOP AROUND USING FROOGLE.GOOGLE.COM, BIZRATE, PRICEGRABBER.COM, ETC. I AM SURE YOU CAN CUT $25-50 OFF THE COST OF ALL THESE PARTS. AND REMEMBER EBAY IS A BUDGET SYSTEMS BEST FRIEND.

 

wchou

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Originally posted by: Chosonman
Originally posted by: Tostada
That's a hard budget to meet since you want DVI.

CPU: AMD Sempron 2200+ Retail $59 (ZipZoomFly)
mainboard: MSI KM4M-V REFURB $35 (newegg)
video: Asus GeForce4 MX4000 64M $32 (ChiefValue)
HDD: Western Digital 40GB IDE WD400BB $49.99 (ChiefValue)
RAM: Corsair 1 x 512MB DDR400 $41.99 (newegg)
CD: Sony CRX320E black combo $31.98 (newegg)
case: Foxconn 3GTW-02 black mATX $50 (ChiefValue)

That's $299.96 delivered.

If you don't want the refurb motherboard, you could look at something like this: mainboard: ECS KM400-M2 $38 (ChiefValue)

...but really, MSI is a good brand and all the $40 boards you'll find are by pretty terrible brands (except ASRock is pretty good since it's a subsidiary of ASUS), so I'd go with the refurb. You probably won't get an I/O shield with it, but if you're building it for yourself that's no big deal -- just a little extra ventilation in the back :). NewEgg accepts RMAs on refurbs, so you don't have to worry about anything, and you're getting a real brand.

If you could add another $37.50 to the budget you could upgrade to a 90nm Socket 754 Sempron with a retail NF3 board, which would add a lot of longevity to the system.


You're recommending REFURBISHED parts?
Man all the criticism you give me you have the nerve. You're a joke Tostada.

And you recommend a 40 gig HD for $50.00 when you can get an 80Gig for the same price... If it weren't you I wouldn't be so pissed, but you're a serious joke... :|
I like refurbish, they work great for most people and you save money too. Sorry it didn't for you.
 
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arctic cooling case

this is a really nice case, and actually has a very good psu in it for the price, its about £50 here and im tempted to buy one as a treat for my dads computer since he just completely redecorated the computer room/office lol

i just built a rig for £304 shipping and vat included

754 2800 sempron
512 crucial pc3200
Abit KV8 Max mobo (from a B-grade stock list, so possiblity of no ide cables, I/O shield etc)
Artic Cooling case (with that 350 watt seasonic PSU)
liteon 16 speed DVD burner in black
seagate 80Gb 8mb cache sata drive with NCQ which is a steal at £33 (ex vat)
and a XFX GF4 MX4000 that has the DVI out

think thats about it

£304 with the vat added and the £12 shipping added for 1-3 day delivery

you could get it cheaper by scowering the Bgrade list more, and shopping round, but this was all from one site, which saves on shipping multiple parts from multiple places
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
arctic cooling case

this is a really nice case, and actually has a very good psu in it for the price, its about £50 here and im tempted to buy one as a treat for my dads computer since he just completely redecorated the computer room/office lol

i just built a rig for £304 shipping and vat included

754 2800 sempron
512 crucial pc3200
Abit KV8 Max mobo (from a B-grade stock list, so possiblity of no ide cables, I/O shield etc)
Artic Cooling case (with that 350 watt seasonic PSU)
liteon 16 speed DVD burner in black
seagate 80Gb 8mb cache sata drive with NCQ which is a steal at £33 (ex vat)
and a XFX GF4 MX4000 that has the DVI out

think thats about it

£304 with the vat added and the £12 shipping added for 1-3 day delivery

you could get it cheaper by scowering the Bgrade list more, and shopping round, but this was all from one site, which saves on shipping multiple parts from multiple places

you just listed those in £ UK pounds £ thats $600 US Dollars!

 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: Googer
OOPS! Got that coming too, Case is $25 or less

$25 for a Grand Total of $297 plus a $15 rebate that brings the toal cost to $282. I estamate that you can have it shipped to you for around $300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811164058

If the total is $297, how can you say "I estimate you can have it shipped to you for around $300"? The shipping is $27.

You know, you've made plenty reasonable posts in the past. I don't know why you went completely off your rocker in this thread.

You added a terrible case with no fans and a totally generic power supply. You're not even trying to be realistic. You're just trying to throw together the cheapest crap system imaginable so you can fit in that CPU. Now you've gone completely insane and started posting a million eBay listings for old used parts.

Those Semprons are really good CPUs. I mean, that'd be great if you could build a 90nm Socket 754 Sempron system for $300 with DVI, but it looks like you can't. You keep trying to do it, and even using terrible parts you can't pull it off.

Socket A is a bit outdated, but he'll probably have to add at least $50 to the budget to have any hope of a decent Socket 754 system.

Not that there's anything wrong with eBay or the sale/trade forum, but if he's going to take a chance on that he just needs to see what great deals he can pull off on the big parts then worry about the rest.
 
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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
arctic cooling case

this is a really nice case, and actually has a very good psu in it for the price, its about £50 here and im tempted to buy one as a treat for my dads computer since he just completely redecorated the computer room/office lol

i just built a rig for £304 shipping and vat included

754 2800 sempron
512 crucial pc3200
Abit KV8 Max mobo (from a B-grade stock list, so possiblity of no ide cables, I/O shield etc)
Artic Cooling case (with that 350 watt seasonic PSU)
liteon 16 speed DVD burner in black
seagate 80Gb 8mb cache sata drive with NCQ which is a steal at £33 (ex vat)
and a XFX GF4 MX4000 that has the DVI out

think thats about it

£304 with the vat added and the £12 shipping added for 1-3 day delivery

you could get it cheaper by scowering the Bgrade list more, and shopping round, but this was all from one site, which saves on shipping multiple parts from multiple places

you just listed those in £ UK pounds £ thats $600 US Dollars!


if our currencies where equal then it would work

plus im pretty sure what costs you $100 costs us £99.99 so its still helpful

$300 USD is like £164 so id like to see anyone build just a computer for that much, ie one with similar power to this
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Here you go: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wis...ISTORY&ID=1520806&WishListTitle=JacobJ sub300 pc
That comes to $298 with shipping.

Athlon XP 2400+
512 MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (CAS 2.5)
64 MB AGP graphics with s-video out & DVI
40 GB hard disk
DVD+/-RW DL
56K modem
10/100 LAN
front USB ports
350W power supply

You didn't specify a modem, but I'm assuming you'd want one, since it's a standard feature on almost every PC, nowadays. You also didn't specify whether or not you needed Windows. If you do, you'll have to get something substantially different.
 

JacobJ

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Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
Here you go: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wis...ISTORY&ID=1520806&WishListTitle=JacobJ sub300 pc
That comes to $298 with shipping.

Athlon XP 2400+
512 MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (CAS 2.5)
64 MB AGP graphics with s-video out & DVI
40 GB hard disk
DVD+/-RW DL
56K modem
10/100 LAN
front USB ports
350W power supply

You didn't specify a modem, but I'm assuming you'd want one, since it's a standard feature on almost every PC, nowadays. You also didn't specify whether or not you needed Windows. If you do, you'll have to get something substantially different.
thanks...I'd like to check it out but that wishlist is not accessible to me...also, no modem needed. just lan...

Jacob
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Originally posted by: JacobJ

thanks...I'd like to check it out but that wishlist is not accessible to me...also, no modem needed. just lan...

No modem? That means you can afford an 80 GB hard disk:

350W case with front USB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811154017
dual layer DVD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827152039
80 GB hard disk
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822162004
512 MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (CAS 2.5)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820141173
motherboard + CPU combo (Athlon XP 2400+)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813185055
64 MB video card with s-video & DVI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814121183
$290.60 GRAND TOTAL

You didn't say you needed a DVD burner, but since it's only $23 more than a DVD-ROM, figured you could make use of it. Most people can. You may be able to shave a few more dollars off with pricewatch, but be careful to choose only reputable vendors. Motherboard/CPU combos often offer the kind of good deals you're looking for, so be sure to check those out. The case I linked you to should be fine, but you may be able to find something better and/or cheaper with pricewatch. Good luck!
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
Originally posted by: JacobJ

thanks...I'd like to check it out but that wishlist is not accessible to me...also, no modem needed. just lan...

No modem? That means you can afford an 80 GB hard disk:

350W case with front USB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811154017
dual layer DVD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827152039
80 GB hard disk (ExcelStor)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822162004
512 MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (CAS 2.5)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820141173
motherboard + CPU combo (Athlon XP 2400+)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813185055
64 MB video card with s-video & DVI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814121183
$290.60 GRAND TOTAL

You didn't say you needed a DVD burner, but since it's only $23 more than a DVD-ROM, figured you could make use of it. Most people can. You may be able to shave a few more dollars off with pricewatch, but be careful to choose only reputable vendors. Motherboard/CPU combos often offer the kind of good deals you're looking for, so be sure to check those out. The case I linked you to should be fine, but you may be able to find something better and/or cheaper with pricewatch. Good luck!


Those ExcelStor drives are slow and complete junk, he is better off trusting his precious work to a maxtor, seagate, fujitsu, Western Digital, or Hitachi that has less storage and better reliablity and performance. And I do mean Complete when I say complete JUNK; every aspect of these things are junk, the full complete 360° circle of crap.

Also I would avoid anything with a socket A for performance reasons. And for $1 more you can get a case with a larger 430 watt power supply. When It comes to PSU's bigger is definitly better.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
arctic cooling case

this is a really nice case, and actually has a very good psu in it for the price, its about £50 here and im tempted to buy one as a treat for my dads computer since he just completely redecorated the computer room/office lol

i just built a rig for £304 shipping and vat included

754 2800 sempron
512 crucial pc3200
Abit KV8 Max mobo (from a B-grade stock list, so possiblity of no ide cables, I/O shield etc)
Artic Cooling case (with that 350 watt seasonic PSU)
liteon 16 speed DVD burner in black
seagate 80Gb 8mb cache sata drive with NCQ which is a steal at £33 (ex vat)
and a XFX GF4 MX4000 that has the DVI out

think thats about it

£304 with the vat added and the £12 shipping added for 1-3 day delivery

you could get it cheaper by scowering the Bgrade list more, and shopping round, but this was all from one site, which saves on shipping multiple parts from multiple places

you just listed those in £ UK pounds £ thats $600 US Dollars!


if our currencies where equal then it would work

plus im pretty sure what costs you $100 costs us £99.99 so its still helpful

$300 USD is like £164 so id like to see anyone build just a computer for that much, ie one with similar power to this

As of today, 1 GBP (Great Brittan Pound) Costs 1.82448 USD (United States Dollars.

So take your sum of £300 and multiply it by 1.82448 to get the total amount of $547.35 USD

http://www.xe.com/ucc/

There was once a time (2000-2002) when £1 pound used to cost $1.40 USD and back around 1997 £1 pound used to be $1.25-1.30 USD. It has been a long time since our curnecies have been equal on a 1 to 1 ratio.