Stupid cops.. I'm filing a complaint. So they can pull you over for whatever now?

[brxndxn]

brxndxn why did you need his badge number? Why not get his car number and tag? Oh, because you were intoxicated, mad and acting like a moron.

Well, Millenium, the badge number and tag is much less suspicious than getting out of the car, walking 30 yards behind it, looking at the police car, and walking back.. That would mean that I walk toward the cops twice and I have my back to the cops with guns twice.

I also believe it would be much less suspicious than following the cop after he leaves. The way we were parked at an inlet would have allowed the officer to leave without ever having to drive by us. Also, many times cop cars are shuffled around to cops in the department and the department can always claim not to know which cop had what car.

However, in my previous experience, they asked for BADGE NUMBER and NAME. They said to ask it the next time one of us was stopped. So, I did exactly what the police department (albeit from a different county) told me to do.

And, Millenium, you calling me drunk after 3 beers says I could drink you under the table if we go 2 to 1. I was not near drunk. Maybe after 5 beers, I would take a second longer to form a coherent sentence and not slur my words..

Quit being so beligerent and have a beer.

 

[brxndxn]

You are a liar. You said the officer was convicted of 8 counts, yet Sarasota Circuit Court has no record. You can't get the case number and you don't know the officer's name. Why can you remember so many details except for the officer's name? Why do I want to prove you wrong? Because you are lying. You said that it was an internal investigation for criminal offenses yet the court weren't invovled. Maybe if your story was grounded in reality it would be believeable.

ROFL.. After he gets up, I'll tell him about what you said..

Be prepared for a bunch of "You = pwned!" replies.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

You are a liar. You said the officer was convicted of 8 counts, yet Sarasota Circuit Court has no record. You can't get the case number and you don't know the officer's name. Why can you remember so many details except for the officer's name? Why do I want to prove you wrong? Because you are lying. You said that it was an internal investigation for criminal offenses yet the court weren't invovled. Maybe if your story was grounded in reality it would be believeable.

ROFL.. After he gets up, I'll tell him about what you said..

Be prepared for a bunch of "You = pwned!" replies.

I have already PMed back and forth with him. He has offered zero proof, while I have called the Sarasota Circuit Court and they have NO record. He said he didn't remember the officers name and also said he could not get the case number. He could offer me nothing of substance except for two names that have turned up nothing.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

brxndxn why did you need his badge number? Why not get his car number and tag? Oh, because you were intoxicated, mad and acting like a moron.

Well, Millenium, the badge number and tag is much less suspicious than getting out of the car, walking 30 yards behind it, looking at the police car, and walking back.. That would mean that I walk toward the cops twice and I have my back to the cops with guns twice.

I also believe it would be much less suspicious than following the cop after he leaves. The way we were parked at an inlet would have allowed the officer to leave without ever having to drive by us. Also, many times cop cars are shuffled around to cops in the department and the department can always claim not to know which cop had what car.

However, in my previous experience, they asked for BADGE NUMBER and NAME. They said to ask it the next time one of us was stopped. So, I did exactly what the police department (albeit from a different county) told me to do.

And, Millenium, you calling me drunk after 3 beers says I could drink you under the table if we go 2 to 1. I was not near drunk. Maybe after 5 beers, I would take a second longer to form a coherent sentence and not slur my words. Also, I never said you were drunk. I said intoxicated, which merely implies the fact that you HAD drank and were feeling the effects of it.

Quit being so beligerent and have a beer.

Yes, it is so hard to DRIVE around when you leave and get the car number(which is on the sides AND the front of most cop cars) or get the tag when he left. Nothing said you had to leave first. Secondly, I seriously doubt you could drink me under the table, but that challenge just shows your juvenile side.

 

[James2k]

"EDIT: You have a LEGAL RIGHT to ask the officer for his name and badge number! In fact, it is often a prerequisite for filing a complaint against the officer. I know this because I have a friend who was mistreated during a traffic stop but was not allowed to file a complaint because the officer gave no papers (and therefore no record) and he didn't know to ask for name and badge number. When he called to file a complaint, he was told he could not procede unless he had name and badge number. After that, he and I read extensively on how to deal with traffic stops. I never thought I would have had so many opportunities to excercise this knowledge"

What about the option of taking the time, squad car number, and city/dept info down and using that to complain? How else do you complain if you see a cop run a light, or use his lights just to get through the red?

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: brxndxn

brxndxn why did you need his badge number? Why not get his car number and tag? Oh, because you were intoxicated, mad and acting like a moron.

Well, Millenium, the badge number and tag is much less suspicious than getting out of the car, walking 30 yards behind it, looking at the police car, and walking back.. That would mean that I walk toward the cops twice and I have my back to the cops with guns twice.

I also believe it would be much less suspicious than following the cop after he leaves. The way we were parked at an inlet would have allowed the officer to leave without ever having to drive by us. Also, many times cop cars are shuffled around to cops in the department and the department can always claim not to know which cop had what car.

However, in my previous experience, they asked for BADGE NUMBER and NAME. They said to ask it the next time one of us was stopped. So, I did exactly what the police department (albeit from a different county) told me to do.

And, Millenium, you calling me drunk after 3 beers says I could drink you under the table if we go 2 to 1. I was not near drunk. Maybe after 5 beers, I would take a second longer to form a coherent sentence and not slur my words. Also, I never said you were drunk. I said intoxicated, which merely implies the fact that you HAD drank and were feeling the effects of it.

Quit being so beligerent and have a beer.

Yes, it is so hard to DRIVE around when you leave and get the car number(which is on the sides AND the front of most cop cars) or get the tag when he left. Nothing said you had to leave first. Secondly, I seriously doubt you could drink me under the table, but that challenge just shows your juvenile side.

Why do you always have to piss further than the next guy. What are you trying to prove online, do you not have something else you could be doing? It's just a forum for pete's sake. God, out of all the immature ones, you need some growing up the most.

KK

 

[cressida]

I'm here, someone call for a fireman?

 

[jimmyhaha]

wow, what an interesting thread..

some drunk 21 yo dude argue with cops, nearly get his ass shot...

 

[Bullhonkie]

Originally posted by: 440sixpack
I'd just like to state that, unlike several people here, I have read every post in this thread. Quite a read. That is all.

Ditto that, and it's been an entertaining read. Some of the people involved just need to chill out and agree to disagree, and realize that you can't force your opinion down someone's neck because it's just not going to work. All it does is waste your time and make you look silly.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: 440sixpack I'd just like to state that, unlike several people here, I have read every post in this thread. Quite a read. That is all.

Ditto that, and it's been an entertaining read. Some of the people involved just need to chill out and agree to disagree, and realize that you can't force your opinion down someone's neck because it's just not going to work. All it does is waste your time and make you look silly.

You do realise that this is ATOT, don't you?

 

[Bullhonkie]

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: 440sixpack I'd just like to state that, unlike several people here, I have read every post in this thread. Quite a read. That is all.

Ditto that, and it's been an entertaining read. Some of the people involved just need to chill out and agree to disagree, and realize that you can't force your opinion down someone's neck because it's just not going to work. All it does is waste your time and make you look silly.

You do realise that this is ATOT, don't you?

Oh yes of course. I don't expect anything to change and in fact I wouldn't want anything to, because it makes for entertaining reading and lends to a lot of character building. So in lieu of that, continue on!

 

[alkemyst]

Similar interesting type story, also from Florida....Palm Beach County.

Cops here have a big head and think they are above the law...I witness cops using their lights to run red lights (not in pursuit, just at long light intersections), speeding constantly/riding (mostly ricer type cars) a$$es when they are in the far right lane, etc.

I did have an affair with a married to cop woman so maybe it's karma getting back to me

Anyways the story:

My wife from Japan and uses Citibank for their ability to handle funds she has in Japan and do the currency conversion through the atm...there are only two in my area, both around 45 mins away. I live in Wellington, a nice Polo community in western Palm Beach County. Houses are pricey and snob factor runs high here....it's much like Palm Beach.

We decide to head to the Palm Beach location of Citibank. My car is modified, but hardly high profile...no decals just all black, silver wheels, and low deep exhaust (no fart can or buzziness)....we enter Palm Beach and I am doing the speed limit since we aren't sure exactly where the bank is. As soon as I cross the bridge this cop flys out of the median and into the far right lane (my lane) and gets about 6" from my bumper. My wife is now nervous thinking he is a dangerous driver....I know he is intimidating me since there is no way he can read my plate....he quickly brakes semi-hard waits a sec and then drives up on my butt again (probably to read my plate). Anyways I tell her, it's going to be cool, we will just get to the bank and relax...We found the bank and I signal to turn, I signal for another turn and then pull into a parking space and get out of the car, the cop is now blocking me in the space sort of, but his lights are not on, so I assume he is still just being an idiot. She gets out of the car and we as soon as we get to the door of the bank and open it, the cop hits his lights, and blares over his PA "GET BACK IN THE CAR NOW!!!! RIGHT NOW!!!!"

I am like WTF, she is now very scared and I am pissed....the bank clientele and employees now start to come out and it's a big scene. I get back in the car and lower my windows, get my paperwork ready, and wait like 5 mins....it's obvious this is some sort of power trip for someone who could never afford to live in Palm Beach trying to profile me based on my car. The first thing I asked was "What's the problem officer?!, I was not speeding, I used my signals, and I wasn't booming around your little town!" He was startled, I assume he is used to people begging and pleading. He ignored it and said what are you doing here? Why are you in Palm Beach?....

I replied "One is that a crime? I didn't see a sign on the bridge saying turn back now...but the reason we are here (I grabbed the Citibank folder my wife has with her account numbers and forms in it) and showed him it, "To go to the bank". I handed him my license, reg, and insurance and said you will need these, can we get whatever you need done with?! He was stated and why did you decide to pass every other of the 100 or more banks in west palm to come to this one. I replied that there are only two citibanks and we need a bank that handles international banking....and that was also none of his business really.

I was being a prick, I knew there was only so many things he could write me up for. He grabbed the stuff and told me from here on out he will be doing the talking and I will be listening.....we were still in the car 15minutes later. I told her go to the atm you need too and get your money so there is no doubt our reason here, I warned her that he will be pissed, but he never told you to stay in the car and I wasn't sure how the law works exactly but I doubt she would get in trouble.

The cop freaked out and came back to the car finally and asked me where did she go...I said she went to the ATM and what part of the story about why we came here did he not understand....he was pissed.

He then says, back in West Palm or whatever neighborhood you are from 'over there' [referring to across the intercoastal]...you and her would probably be shot. I replied, maybe you are unfamiliar with the area, I live in WELLINGTON [trying to be a snob], I have my own business I run, and you obviously were profiling me but found a 31 year old adult professional in the car when I believe you were hoping for someone else....I also said if you shoot/shot either or both of us I think the person in trouble would be you, my wife is from Japan, she has been here only a year, you never told us anything about staying in the car, or even waiting here...you only grabbed my paperwork and left.

He wasn't getting happier....I then added in "Now again, why was I stopped?" He told me I didn't signal....which now my wife was getting back and was given a lecture about leaving the scene of a crime.

She stated he signaled everytime he knew you were behind him. I added yeah I did everything I was supposed to. The only place I didn't signal possibly was the parking space which was the first one as I pulled in so there was no time to even signal to get into the space, I took it was soon as I saw it there.

The cop ends up checking out my car, lights, tires, etc....ends up giving me a tint ticket stating it was 5%, (it measured 20%, legal here is 28-30%)...

When all was said and done, he suggested I try to find a closer bank and he will be watching. The ticket I got had no instructions on who to call, what fine to pay, or what I had to do....I found out the proper office and then found out the fine. $45

 

[gordy]

I rolled through a stop sign once and was pulled over, i put my both hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. The officer approached and motion me to roll my window down, i did. He ask me, " Do you know you rolled through that stop sign?". I said, "Yes." He wrote me a ticket for a moving violation. I rolled up my window and drove away. A week later I mailed my fine to the courthouse.

FF ten years, here I write about my last encounter with the PD on ATOT...

 

[brxndxn]

I rolled through a stop sign once and was pulled over, i put my both hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. The officer approached and motion me to roll my window down, i did. He ask me, " Do you know you rolled through that stop sign?". I said, "Yes." He wrote me a ticket for a moving violation. I rolled up my window and drove away. A week later I mailed my fine to the courthouse.

FF ten years, here I write about my last encounter with the PD on ATOT...

So.. you get lucky and don't get harrassed by the cops. I, like some, get harrassed by them quite often. Being a young college student probably doesn't help and driving a red Camaro definitely does not either.. But then again, these things are not illegal and I still get harrassed for it.

My last run-in with the cops is what I originally posted in this thread. The previous run-in was less than a month ago where I pulled out in front of a patrol car to go to my doctor's appointment. The patrol car rode my ass from about 2 feet away from my apartment to the parking lot of the doctor's office about 3 miles away. He followed me through every turn, every light, and he even changed lanes when I did. IMO, that's harrassment.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: tk149
Wow, lots of false information and strongly held opinions in this thread...

FYI, What Happens When I Am Stopped By The Police?

In a nutshell, the police can stop you for a short time and interrogate you if they have "Reasonable Suspicion" to believe that a crime is either taking place or will very shortly take place. Of course, the definition of "Reasonable Suspicion" is rather vague, but I think it's safe to say that it's not a very high hurdle for the police to clear in the courts.

Millenium, you need to go back and hit the books. Unless both my memory of law school and the above article are wrong, shoeeater was indeed subjected to an illegal search. According to my interpretation of his post, he was "Terry Stopped," and searched incident to the Terry Stop, which is legal. However, the police officer did not have the right to empty his pockets without actually arresting him (which would have required "Probable Cause").

Based on brxndxn's post (and only on his post, which no one has proven factually inaccurate, although I suspect it's somewhat biased ), I'd say that brxndxn may have done some foolish things, but the cop was a serious A-hole. Foolishness is not a crime, but harassment is.

LOL your idea of the Terry case is spaced out! Terry states that a frisk should be a protective measure. Police officers cannot conduct a frisk as a fishing expedition simply to try to find items BESIDES weapons, such as illegal narcotics on a suspect. A frisk does not allow the inner pockets to be turned out UNLESS there is suspicion that the outer frisk was unable to show what the item in the pocket was. What the officer did was completely legal.

And exactly where in shoeeater's post did he state that the officer emptied his pockets because the officer had reason to believe that an item in his pocket was a weapon? Based on shoeeater's post, without more, the officer performed an illegal search. I stand by my original post: you need to hit the books and/or read more carefully.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: tk149
Wow, lots of false information and strongly held opinions in this thread...

FYI, What Happens When I Am Stopped By The Police?

In a nutshell, the police can stop you for a short time and interrogate you if they have "Reasonable Suspicion" to believe that a crime is either taking place or will very shortly take place. Of course, the definition of "Reasonable Suspicion" is rather vague, but I think it's safe to say that it's not a very high hurdle for the police to clear in the courts.

Millenium, you need to go back and hit the books. Unless both my memory of law school and the above article are wrong, shoeeater was indeed subjected to an illegal search. According to my interpretation of his post, he was "Terry Stopped," and searched incident to the Terry Stop, which is legal. However, the police officer did not have the right to empty his pockets without actually arresting him (which would have required "Probable Cause").

Based on brxndxn's post (and only on his post, which no one has proven factually inaccurate, although I suspect it's somewhat biased ), I'd say that brxndxn may have done some foolish things, but the cop was a serious A-hole. Foolishness is not a crime, but harassment is.

LOL your idea of the Terry case is spaced out! Terry states that a frisk should be a protective measure. Police officers cannot conduct a frisk as a fishing expedition simply to try to find items BESIDES weapons, such as illegal narcotics on a suspect. A frisk does not allow the inner pockets to be turned out UNLESS there is suspicion that the outer frisk was unable to show what the item in the pocket was. What the officer did was completely legal.

And exactly where in shoeeater's post did he state that the officer emptied his pockets because the officer had reason to believe that an item in his pocket was a weapon? Based on shoeeater's post, without more, the officer performed an illegal search. I stand by my original post: you need to hit the books and/or read more carefully.

Same back at you!

 

[Kelemvor]

#1 you can always ask to see the radar gun that's showing your speed.
#2 when the cop says you were going 60, maybe 62, he's stating that he doesn't know how fast you were going.
#3 if you can't get the name and badge number, wait for them to pull out and get the license plate number.
#4 I'd call an attorney before filing the complaint just to see what they say. Might be able to come away with a profit.

On a side note, I got pulled over a few months back. When the cop came up she said I was "driving close to the Fog Line". Well, first off what the hell is a fog line. Second, assuming it's the lin at the edge of the lane near the shoulder, it's not illegal to drive near it. If I'm near it that means I'm in my damn lane. Sheesh. She let me go but it's like how f'ing bored are you?

 

[DrPizza]

I'll just add in a reply to anyone who thinks that every time a policeman uses his lights to go through an intersection, many times, they're responding to a call. You must watch too many movies where they always throw their lights on and zoom away at twice the speed limit to respond to a call.

Think about it... Someone calls in a burglary to the police.
Does the policeman drive 90 mph through town, with his siren blaring, just to take a statement? (But, you've never seen the police just go to a house to get a statement about a theft in the movies... it's always a crime in action)

 

[alkemyst]

The problem with the radar reading deal is it's hard to prove it was your car I believe. I have seen a reading that indicated me speeding when I know I was not....don't know about fighting those things.

 

[Pepsi90919]

wtf is up with these threads. a thread never gets over 100 posts and still stays sane around this place.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The problem with the radar reading deal is it's hard to prove it was your car I believe. I have seen a reading that indicated me speeding when I know I was not....don't know about fighting those things.

I just got clocked this weekend at 82 or something, and I know I breaked before I got near the guy. Do you know how far they can nail you from. He gave me a ticket and i asked to see the radar reading. He said that the thing resets itself?!! I know I wasn't even going that fast in the distance leave alone when I breaked and got to 60 MPH. He sort gave me a smile like he made it up and I can't do anything about it. BTW this is a notorious speedtrap/revenue generation zone or so I found out.

 

[alkemyst]

that's the problem...the cop doesn't have to cooperate and if he doesn't and you are alone you have no witnesses.

Secondly in my area of florida, there has been this new BS that if the cop doesn't show, the judge makes a statement the officer would have said he did everything right (worded in a mumbo-jumbo type way)...to me that is unconstitutional....so is DUI law, there are a lot of problems with traffic courts due to MADD and other high money lobbying organizations.

 

[WoofyJr]

Brxndxn, U did the right thing but you shouldn't get out of the car unless cop allows ya for their safety. However, it's not point, the officer abused your rights. Next time you ask the officer for their badage and number, if they refuse to give ya. You definitely should demand the officers to call for the officer supverisor to come over to take care of this situation, the officer musn't refuse to call supverisor when u ask one. The supverisor will observe the problem then will give you all officers' badages and numbers including the supverisor's. The supverisor will also report the complaints u request. That way supervisor dedcide whether to process immediately no matter who side he/she is on. I know it's absoutely wasting of time... It's up to u to do that or just forget the whole thing and leave amd file complaint later which is difficult to prove. I would challenge police cuz I know how police system works.

It happened to my mom and it worked beautifully. The rookie abused the power at her door house because he wanted to access into her property without proable cause . My mom refused and demanded the officer to come back with supervisor. True enough, the supverisor admitted that the rookie officer didnt do the right thing to order her to allow the officer enter the house without my mom's permission and apolgized and wrote the report what happened.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: bthorny
I can't believe anyone thinks that they have more freedom than anyone else using the constitution's second amendment.


We live in society where (it is quite apparent after looking at this thread) people get messed with by the cops get taken in or pulled over for no apparent reason and is blamed on probably cause and someone feels that they have more freedom because of the second amendment.

That is really dumb.
Also,
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

IMHO, It Does not necessarily give people the right to personally own a gun the original intent of the law was to give the states powers to form a militia.

It has never been brought before the supreme court on
1. whether the second amendment actually gives someone personally the right to bear arms.
2. definition of arms

NOUN
A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms.

A branch of a military force: infantry, armor, and other combat arms.
arms
Warfare: a call to arms against the invaders.

Military service: several million volunteers under arms; the profession of arms.
arms

Heraldry. Bearings.

Insignia, as of a state, an official, a family, or an organization.

VERB
To equip with weapons: armed themselves with loaded pistols; arm a missile with a warhead; arm a nation for war.
To equip with what is needed for effective action: tax advisers who were armed with the latest forms.
To provide with something that strengthens or protects: a space reentry vehicle that was armed with a ceramic shield.
To prepare (a weapon) for use or operation, as by releasing a safety device.


Which of those definitions did the framers mean, by the I way it is used in the sentence I would guess it wasn't a verb but, heck the word may have had 20 different meanings back then........

The only reason that the popular consensus today is that "I have a right to have guns"
Is because of the NRA's lobbing and propaganda is fairly intense

uhm. hate to tell you but this had been in front of the court. they have rulled that it means people have ther RIGHT to own firearms.

weather or not is you "IMHO" its fact.

Ok so we cant have automatic assault weapons. sad part is they are actually easy to get. but anyway thats onother posting for onother topic.
But we can own a nice hunting rifle or a handgun for targets or home defence.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: alkemyst
The problem with the radar reading deal is it's hard to prove it was your car I believe. I have seen a reading that indicated me speeding when I know I was not....don't know about fighting those things.

I just got clocked this weekend at 82 or something, and I know I breaked before I got near the guy. Do you know how far they can nail you from. He gave me a ticket and i asked to see the radar reading. He said that the thing resets itself?!! I know I wasn't even going that fast in the distance leave alone when I breaked and got to 60 MPH. He sort gave me a smile like he made it up and I can't do anything about it. BTW this is a notorious speedtrap/revenue generation zone or so I found out.

lol, you're just pissed you got caught. you admit you were speeding.