Stupid AntiAbortion Photo circulating Social Media

[Beev]

I see what you mean, Im not totally against abortion, like in cases of rape/incest/pedophelia then it should be mandatory.

Wow, so a (bad) way of thinking should result in an abortion?

Oh, you mean child abuse/molestation.

 

[Stayfr0sty]

Wow, so a (bad) way of thinking should result in an abortion?

Oh, you mean child abuse/molestation.

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Yes unlike bumbling idiot Sarah Palin who was asked: "if a father rapes his 12 year old daughter should she be allowed to have an abortion?"

Her response: "No".............

 

[polarmystery]

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Yes unlike bumbling idiot Sarah Palin who was asked: "if a father rapes his 12 year old daughter should she be allowed to have an abortion?"

Her response: "No".............

Didn't Rick Santorum say somewhere that it was a gift from God to be raped?

I think when someone asked if one of his daughters were raped, if he'd allow for her to have an abortion. His response went something like, "We'd love this gift from God no matter how it came to us" or something like that...

 

[homercles337]

For this take to be more accurate, they would need to find a highly evolved life form, along with a second that is a parasite on the first.

 

[homercles337]

To be fair, that is the crux of the abortion debate. It's the "life begins at conception" vs "an embryo is a cluster of cells" debate. A pretty key difference is that a microorganism can survive on its own, whereas an embryo needs to be implanted in a womb or it will not survive. I suppose these scientists should focus on implanting alien bacteria into a woman's uterus; then everyone can be happy.

No, the crux is that anti-abortionists believe that *personhood* begins at inception. They believe that a mass of cells should have the same rights as a fully grown person.

 

[slayer202]

Because it is life....



I see what you mean, Im not totally against abortion, like in cases of rape/incest/pedophelia then it should be mandatory. But in others no way.


Exactly

If your argument is "it's a life" then why does it matter if it's a case of rape? The act of taking that "life" is the same

 

[dank69]

I feel as though we need to increase the abortion age to 4. You really don't know how a kid will turn out until they're around 3, so this gives an extra year to straighten up and fly right less they want to be eliminated from the gene pool.

Eff that, parents should always be allowed to kill their blood children, no matter their age. 'I brought you into this world and I'll take you out!'

 

[TechBoyJK]

Because it is life....

Read the picture again. You're completely missing the point of the OP.

The picture equates a single living cell to the starting stages of a human being and suggests the same scientists that would call a living cell on an alien planet wouldn't consider the cells in a pregnant woman living cells.

There isn't a sane scientist on earth who would draw that conclusion.

 

[dank69]

No, the crux is that anti-abortionists believe that *personhood* begins at inception. They believe that a mass of cells should have the same rights as a fully grown person.

 

[SlitheryDee]

That's a complete misrepresentation of the argument, but it's to be expected. These people are posting things for their friends to see, as in, preaching to the choir. The only place something like that could survive very long is on facebook being distributed among like minded individuals who aren't going to examine it critically.

It seems to me that facebook is a place people go to post simple minded things for people they know agree with them and get positive responses for it. In my experience, facebook people react with absolute shock and rage when someone challenges something they posted. The reason is because the come to facebook to be agreed with.

 

[superccs]

Its funny, ironically the people circulating this image actually make the case for post-birth abortion.

At the very least they illustrate how much we could have benefited from abortion if it was promoted years ago.

 

[KeithTalent]

P&N in 3... oh wait, too late.

KT

 

[Ichinisan]

My take....

This is silly and a really bad generalization. I wish people would stop posting this picture because it doesn't make sense to anybody who actually follows the space race and search for 'life' on other planets or anybody who took high school biology.

There's a difference between life, and human life. If we want to lump these two into the same group, then we can also say cutting down a tree is murder since we are equating plant life with human life.

Science knows damn well that we aren't going to find 'human' life in space. However, it's almost certain that we will find unintelligent, basic microbial life. The moon 'Titan' orbiting Saturn is incredibly earth like with beaches, mountains, oceans, and an atmosphere. We have probes there now and I'd be willing to bet my left hand there's basic microbial 'life' there. It's just a matter of time before it's confirmed. It's like seeing cave paintings, but we haven't found people yet. All signs point to it being there, or having been there.

There's an argument about at what stage in the process after initial pregnancy that the cells can be considered 'human life'. This picture confuses this argument with one about attempting to find bacteria on another planet.

If they find a single living cell on another planet/moon (like Titan) and proclaim they found life, it's not the same as human life. We're talking microbes, bacteria, etc.

That's incredibly ignorant. Scientists believe it's a mathematical certainty that life exists elsewhere in the universe, but not in our own Solar system and NOT on Titan. Sure, Titan is uniquely interesting because it seems like it might be *possible* for life to exist there, compared to any other place in the Solar System besides Earth. Titan is FAR outside the Goldilocks Zone and those elements you mentioned do not indicate that there is life. Because of the distance, it already doesn't get much energy from the sun. You also have to consider that it's a moon, so its exposure to the Sun is further reduced because much of the time the Sun is obscured by Saturn.

Earth's Sun and Moon cause consistent seasons and tides, which help to generate order from chaos and help life to flourish. Our placement in the Goldilocks Zone allows water to exist in all 3 states of matter. A moon has gravitational and geological chaos and doesn't get any of these advantages.

 

[TechBoyJK]

That's incredibly ignorant. Scientists believe it's a mathematical certainty that life exists elsewhere in the universe, but not in our own Solar system and NOT on Titan. It's uniquely interesting because it seems like it might be *possible*, but Titan is far outside the Goldilocks Zone and those elements do not indicate that there is life. Because of the distance, it already doesn't get much energy from the sun. You also have to consider that it's a moon, so its exposure to the Sun is further reduced because much of the time the Sun is obscured by Saturn.

Earth's Sun and Moon cause consistent seasons and tides, which help to generate order from chaos and help life to flourish. A moon doesn't get that advantage.

Wow.. suggesting that it's insanely ignorant is insanely ignorant, imho. So you are saying it's ignorant to believe there might be some kind of basic, microbial life on Titan?

Or did you read my statement and assume I mean 'human' life.

The goldilocks zone isn't limited to life. It's just limited to life as we know it. I was in no way shape or form trying to suggest they will certainly find moving critters eating foliage, but it's highly possible/even likely that a moon like Titan will have some kind of basic life (even if just the simplest form).

Care to send me a link which tells of these scientists with 'mathematical certainty' that life doesn't exist somewhere else in this solar system? Not Intelligent Life, just basic life.

 

[Ichinisan]

Wow.. suggesting that it's insanely ignorant is insanely ignorant, imho. So you are saying it's ignorant to believe there might be some kind of basic, microbial life on Titan?

Or did you read my statement and assume I mean 'human' life.

The goldilocks zone isn't limited to life. It's just limited to life as we know it. I was in no way shape or form trying to suggest they will certainly find moving critters eating foliage, but it's highly possible/even likely that a moon like Titan will have some kind of basic life (even if just the simplest form).

No. It's insanely ignorant to say you are "certain" and would "bet your left hand."

Care to send me a link which tells of these scientists with 'mathematical certainty' that life doesn't exist somewhere else in this solar system? Not Intelligent Life, just basic life.

Ever read / watch anything from Stephen Hawking? Watch Into the Universe. I think it was the first episode.

 

[child of wonder]

Damn... I guess all life truly is precious. I'm going to find a way to stop my body from killing bacteria (single celled organisms).

 

[TechBoyJK]

No. It's insanely ignorant to say you are "certain" and would "bet your right hand."


Ever read / watch anything from Stephen Hawking? Watch Into the Universe. I think it was the first episode.

I'll eat my foot on that statement, but I would bet on it. Maybe not my 'hand' but based on what we know about Titan, I think it's more than likely there is something primordial going on there.

I've watched a lot of 'universe' stuff including many Hawkins documentary. However, I don't agree with the statement that science has ruled out 'life' among planetary bodies in our solar system.

 

[Ichinisan]

I'll eat my foot on that statement, but I would bet on it. Maybe not my 'hand' but based on what we know about Titan, I think it's more than likely there is something primordial going on there.

I've watched a lot of 'universe' stuff including many Hawkins documentary. However, I don't agree with the statement that science has ruled out 'life' among planetary bodies in our solar system.

I didn't mean to suggest that it's ruled out, but it's highly improbable.

 

[Stayfr0sty]

If your argument is "it's a life" then why does it matter if it's a case of rape? The act of taking that "life" is the same

A woman that got raped doesnt want to see a "little" version of her rapist running around years later.

Damn... I guess all life truly is precious. I'm going to find a way to stop my body from killing bacteria (single celled organisms).

Your comparing a human fetus to bacteria?
Wow Im sure you got all A+ in science class!!

 

[TechBoyJK]

I didn't mean to suggest that it's ruled out, but it's highly improbable.

Wasn't that the big deal about the alien DNA finding about a year ago? It wasn't 'alien' from another planet, but phosphorus was successfully replaced with arsenic and it survived, opening up the window of probability for life on another planets/moons since we now know that DNA can function outside of our normal scope of life? The DNA was found in a poisonous, arsenic rich lake that represented Earth's extremes and could be indicative of the dna surviving in more alien worlds than originally expected.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/02/nasa-new-life-arsenic-bacteria_n_791094.html

 

[The Boston Dangler]

the people that chain mail such pictures also chain mail pictures of the rocky mountains with a caption "the clouds look just like jesus leading our soldiers into iraq"

 

[Ichinisan]

Wasn't that the big deal about the alien DNA finding about a year ago? It wasn't 'alien' from another planet, but phosphorus was successfully replaced with arsenic and it survived, opening up the window of probability for life on another planets/moons since we now know that DNA can function outside of our normal scope of life? The DNA was found in a poisonous, arsenic rich lake that represented Earth's extremes and could be indicative of the dna surviving in more alien worlds than originally expected.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/02/nasa-new-life-arsenic-bacteria_n_791094.html

That conclusion was quickly shot down by other scientists, and they are still debating it.

 

[mnewsham]

A woman that got raped doesnt want to see a "little" version of her rapist running around years later.

A woman who had sex with an asshole at a party and later founds out she really hates the bastard because all he does is smoke pot and lay around all day looking to have sex doesn't want to see a "little" version of her one night stand running around years later.

 

[homercles337]

I didn't mean to suggest that it's ruled out, but it's highly improbable.

Thats not what you said:

Scientists believe it's a mathematical certainty that life exists elsewhere in the universe, but not in our own Solar system and NOT on Titan.

Mathematical certainty (perfect knowledge) is a much higher bar than probabilistic certainty. Your post claims perfect knowledge, VERY far from where we are scientifically.

 

[homercles337]

Your comparing a human fetus to bacteria?
Wow Im sure you got all A+ in science class!!

You're comparing a human fetus to a zygote? Wow Im sure you are a total failure in life.