Stunt's "How to not pay for gas" thread

[Stunt]

I'm sorry, but i've had it up to *here* with people complaining about high gas prices and how they hate breaking the bank at the pump. It seems as though people complain about this more than the weather...and I live in Canada for crying out loud.

I've decided to make this guide on how to not pay for gas.

? Ford F-Series 432,969 $19,920
? Chevrolet Silverado 322,907 $19,485
? Dodge Ram pickup 223,609 $20,365
? Toyota Camry 213,625 $19,560
? Honda Accord 192,106 $16,390
? Ford Explorer 168,059 $23,690
? Honda Civic 162,483 $13,500
? Ford Taurus 144,035 $20,320
? Chevrolet Impala 139,460 $22,395
? Dodge Caravan 131,367 $18,995

Here is a list of the top selling cars of 2004, assuming you aren't stupid enough to drive a pickup...I assume most of you drive a Camry, Accord, Explorer, Taurus, Impala (for you patriots), etc.

Get rid of your SUV, minivan, fullsize, hybrid cars. The cost of a hybrid will never make up for the fuel use, not in the lifetime of the car, that's for sure. Buy a fuel efficient, reliable Japanese car like a Civic, Corolla, etc. Take your $10,000+ (US$) and put it into an energy trust like Penn West who costs $30 CAD ($24 USD), and pays a dividend of $3.10 ($2.52).

Gas Milages:
2005 Honda Civic 36/44 m/g
2005 Toyota Camry 24/34
2005 Ford Taurus 20/27
*difference = 12-16/10-17 (14/14) -pending car

Assuming you spend $2.11/gal on average on gas you can save $0.15 a mile using a civic over a full size car (now picture a friggin suv!).

Take the $10,000 from your sale and invest in Penn West (415 shares), with an annual dividend of ~$1000, plus savings from gas milage, and you are laughing. $1000 pays for ~500 gallons of gas or 20,000 miles a year.

To summarize:
a) Get rid of your SUV, minivan, fullsize, hybrid cars.
b) Buy a Civic.
c) Invest in an energy income trust.
d) Get $1,000 worth of gas effectively free (on the backs of oil companies) plus $0.15+ per mile in savings.
e) If you've done all these things, good for you; still strapped for cash?....CARPOOL!

These may be obvious, but some people need it spelled out for them.
Who actually thinks the difference between a Civic and a Camry is $10,000 plus $1000 per year in dividends plus $4,500 in additional gas (based on 30,000 miles a year)??

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm sorry, but i've had it up to *here* with people complaining about high gas prices and how they hate breaking the bank at the pump. It seems as though people complain about this more than the weather...and I live in Canada for crying out loud.

I've decided to make this guide on how to not pay for gas.

? Ford F-Series 432,969 $19,920
? Chevrolet Silverado 322,907 $19,485
? Dodge Ram pickup 223,609 $20,365
? Toyota Camry 213,625 $19,560
? Honda Accord 192,106 $16,390
? Ford Explorer 168,059 $23,690
? Honda Civic 162,483 $13,500
? Ford Taurus 144,035 $20,320
? Chevrolet Impala 139,460 $22,395
? Dodge Caravan 131,367 $18,995

Here is a list of the top selling cars of 2004, assuming you aren't stupid enough to drive a pickup...I assume most of you drive a Camry, Accord, Explorer, Taurus, Impala (for you patriots), etc.

Get rid of your SUV, minivan, fullsize, hybrid cars. The cost of a hybrid will never make up for the fuel use, not in the lifetime of the car, that's for sure. Buy a fuel efficient, reliable Japanese car like a Civic, Corolla, etc. Take your $10,000+ (US$) and put it into an energy trust like Penn West who costs $30 CAD ($24 USD), and pays a dividend of $3.10 ($2.52).

Gas Milages:
2005 Honda Civic 36/44 m/g
2005 Toyota Camry 24/34
2005 Ford Taurus 20/27
*difference = 12-16/10-17 (14/14) -pending car

Assuming you spend $2.11/gal on average on gas you can save $0.15 a mile using a civic over a full size car (now picture a friggin suv!).

Take the $10,000 from your sale and invest in Penn West (415 shares), with an annual dividend of ~$1000, plus savings from gas milage, and you are laughing. $1000 pays for ~500 gallons of gas or 20,000 miles a year.

To summarize:
a) Get rid of your SUV, minivan, fullsize, hybrid cars.
b) Buy a Civic.
c) Invest in an energy income trust.
d) Get $1,000 worth of gas effectively free (on the backs of oil companies) plus $0.15+ per mile in savings.
e) If you've done all these things, good for you; still strapped for cash?....CARPOOL!

These may be obvious, but some people need it spelled out for them.
Who actually thinks the difference between a Civic and a Camry is $10,000 plus $1000 per year in dividends plus $4,500 in additional gas (based on 30,000 miles a year)??

Interesting, but a Civic is not $10,000 cheaper than a Camry, as your conclusion would suggest.

 

[Stunt]

I was trying to make a broad comparison without massive amounts of calculations. Impala, Taurus and Explorer are all $10,000 more. Besides, if you opt for a 2003, 2004 Civic, I'm sure you'll hit the magic $10,000, just saying a cheap efficient car can go a long way to getting huge reductions in your gas bills. I do realize the analysis is somewhat crude (no pun intended)

 

[Dissipate]

What if someone wants to 'mod' their Civic so it has more horespower? I mean isn't that what most people do with their Civics?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
What if someone wants to 'mod' their Civic so it has more horespower? I mean isn't that what most people do with their Civics?

From an economics standpoint...brutal. From a coolness standpoint...brutal :laugh:

Although aesthetics woundn't have much effect, so you can make it LOOK fast...

 

[Tab]

I had a Civic.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Tab
I had a Civic.

me too till my ex decided it looked better upside down.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Tab
I had a Civic.

me too till my ex decided it looked better upside down.

:Q

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Tab
I had a Civic.

me too till my ex decided it looked better upside down.

:Q

she rolled it cause she was voice recording her notes on her way home from school. yes there is a reason she is now referred to as "The Ex."

but back on topic: I have a full sized car now (Bonneville), because poor poor Civic twisted into nothing. But it rarely gets driven except to haul my butt to work. My Trek gets more mileage these days.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Tab
I had a Civic.

me too till my ex decided it looked better upside down.

:Q

she rolled it cause she was voice recording her notes on her way home from school. yes there is a reason she is now referred to as "The Ex."

man that sucks....sorry

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Tab
I had a Civic.

me too till my ex decided it looked better upside down.

:Q

she rolled it cause she was voice recording her notes on her way home from school. yes there is a reason she is now referred to as "The Ex."

man that sucks....sorry

Oh she was fine. One bruise on her hip, and my car disintegrated. I was glad she was OK but GD how freaking stupid can you be? Oh and she rolled it doing around 75MPH, so if you think you're not safe in a little car, think again.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Tab
I had a Civic.

me too till my ex decided it looked better upside down.

:Q

she rolled it cause she was voice recording her notes on her way home from school. yes there is a reason she is now referred to as "The Ex."

man that sucks....sorry

Oh she was fine. One bruise on her hip, and my car disintegrated. I was glad she was OK but GD how freaking stupid can you be? Oh and she rolled it doing around 75MPH, so if you think you're not safe in a little car, think again.

I once went to 80mph on my 87' I once I hit that I slowed way the fvck down... I was surprised my car didn't completely fall apart...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Tab


I once went to 80mph on my 87' I once I hit that I slowed way the fvck down... I was surprised my car didn't completely fall apart...

Reminds me of:

My hooptie rollin', tailpipe draggin'
Heat don't work an' my girl keeps naggin'
Six-nine Buick, deuce keeps rollin'
One hubcap 'cause three got stolen
Bumper shook loose, chrome keeps scrapin'
Mis-matched tires, and my white walls flakin'
Hit mickey-d's, Maharaji starts to bug
He ate a quarter-pounder, threw the pickles on my rug
Runnin', movin' tabs expired
Girlies tryin' to dis 'n say my car looks tired
Hit my brakes, out slid skittles
Tinted back window with a bubble in the middle
Who's car is it? Posse won't say
We all play it off when you look our way
Rollin' four deep, tires smoke up the block
Gotta roll this bucket, 'cause my Benz is in the shop

My hooptie - my hooptie

Four door nightmare, trunk locks' stuck
Big dice on the mirror, grill like a truck
Lifters tickin', accelerator's stickin'
Somethin' on my left front wheel keeps clickin'
Picked up the girlies, now we're eight deep

Cars barely movin', but now we got heat
Made a left turn as I watched in fright
My ex-girlfriend shot out my headlight
She was standin', in the road, so I smashed her toes
Mashed my pedal, boom, down she goes
Law ain't lyin', long hairs flyin'
We flipped the skeez off, dumb girl starts cryin'
Baby called the cops, now I'm gettin' nervous
The cops see a beeper and the suckers might serve us
Hit a side street and what did we find?
Some young punk, droppin' me a flip off sign
Put the deuce in reverse, and started to curse
Another sucker on the south side about to get hurt
Homey got scared, so I got on
Yeah my group got paid, but my groups still strong
Posse moved north, headin for the CD
Ridin' real fast so the cops don't see me
Mis-matched tires got my boys uptight
Two Vogues on the left, Uniroyal on the right
Hooptie bouncin', runnin' on leaded
This is what I sport when you call me big-headed
I pot-hole crusher, red light rusher
Musher of a brother 'cause I'm plowin' over suckers

In a hooptie

It's a three-ton monster, econo-box stomper
Snatch your girly, if you don't I'll romp 'er
Dinosaur rush, lookin' like Shaft
Some get bold, but some get smashed
Cops say the car smokes, but I won't listen
It's a six-nine deuce, so the hell with emissions
Rollin' in Tacoma, I could get burned
(Sound of automatic gunfire) Betta make a u-turn
Spotted this freak with immense posterior
Tryin' to roll smooth through the Hilltop area
Brother start lettin' off, kickin' that racket
Thinkin' I'm a rock star, slingin' them packets
I ain't wit' dat, so I smooth eject
Hit I-5 with the dope cassette
Playin' that tough crew hardcore dope
The tape deck broke
Damn what's next, brothers in Goretex
Tryin' to find a spot where we could hunt for sex
Found a little club called the N-C-O
Military, competition. You know.
I ain't really fazed, 'cause I pop much game
Rolled up tough, 'cause I got much fame
"How ya doin' baby, my name is Mixalot"
"Mixalot got a Benz boy, quit smokin' that rock"
Ooooh, I got dissed. But it ain't no thing
Runnin' that game with the home made slang
Baby got ished, Bremelo gip.
Keep laughin' at the car and you might get clipped

By a hooptie

Runnin' outta gas, stuck in traffic
Far left lane, throwin' up much static
Input, output, carbeurator fulla soot
"Whatcha want me to do Mix?"
Push freak, push
Sputter, sputter rollin' over gutters
Cars dip low with hard core brothers
Tank on E, pulled into Arco
Cops on tip for Columbian cargo
We fit a stereotype, that's what he said
Big long car, four big black heads
Cops keep jockin', grabbin' like 'gators
'Bout stereotypes, I'm lookin' nuthin' like Noriega
Cop took my wallet, looked at my license
His partner said "Damn, they all look like Tyson"
Yes, I'm legit, so they gotta let me go
This bucket ain't rollin' in snow

It's my hooptie

 

[Zebo]

"How to not pay for gas"

Get a huffy $80 @ Kmarts = Gas $0

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Zebo
"How to not pay for gas"

Get a huffy $80 @ Kmarts = Gas $0

http://www.twike.ca/ those are slick as hell.

Newer model 0 gas needed 2 seater

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt

I've decided to make this guide on how to not pay for gas.

? Ford F-Series 432,969 $19,920
? Chevrolet Silverado 322,907 $19,485
? Dodge Ram pickup 223,609 $20,365
? Toyota Camry 213,625 $19,560
? Honda Accord 192,106 $16,390
? Ford Explorer 168,059 $23,690
? Honda Civic 162,483 $13,500
? Ford Taurus 144,035 $20,320
? Chevrolet Impala 139,460 $22,395
? Dodge Caravan 131,367 $18,995

Get rid of your SUV, minivan, fullsize, hybrid cars. The cost of a hybrid will never make up for the fuel use, not in the lifetime of the car, that's for sure. Buy a fuel efficient, reliable Japanese car like a Civic, Corolla, etc. Take your $10,000+ (US$) and put it into an energy trust like Penn West who costs $30 CAD ($24 USD), and pays a dividend of $3.10 ($2.52).

Gas Milages:
2005 Honda Civic 36/44 m/g
2005 Toyota Camry 24/34
2005 Ford Taurus 20/27
*difference = 12-16/10-17 (14/14) -pending car

Assuming you spend $2.11/gal on average on gas you can save $0.15 a mile using a civic over a full size car (now picture a friggin suv!).

Take the $10,000 from your sale and invest in Penn West (415 shares), with an annual dividend of ~$1000, plus savings from gas milage, and you are laughing. $1000 pays for ~500 gallons of gas or 20,000 miles a year.

To summarize:
a) Get rid of your SUV, minivan, fullsize, hybrid cars.
b) Buy a Civic.
c) Invest in an energy income trust.
d) Get $1,000 worth of gas effectively free (on the backs of oil companies) plus $0.15+ per mile in savings.
e) If you've done all these things, good for you; still strapped for cash?....CARPOOL!

Not bad, thanks for including the Caravan.

However there is different versions of the Caravan, from a long version (more weight) that even has a larger V6 in it, a shorter one that you can get either large V6, smaller V6 or V4, to a short one with a 4 cylinder. I have the short base with a 6 cylinder.

On the older Models you can take all of the seats out (especially the back seat that weighs more than a couch). I usually only have two or three seats in mine and have only put the rear seat in twice when I had 7 people to be on board.

I keep my tires at optimum pressure, filters clean, change oil regularly etc to maximize fuel efficiency which runs at 21 mpg (300 miles out of 14 gals every time), It's flat here.

I've carried many things in the Van would never be able to fit in a civic. Would've have to spend a lot of money renting a larger vehicle that would surely eaten up the fuel savings in no time.

Seems to me the perfect two car family would be a similar Mini-van or a hybrid Mini-van
and a smaller all electric (if city driving only) or hybrid (for long distance) 2 passenger only.

 

[charrison]

Stunt leaves off a few obvious points.


1. the gas bill bill for paid off gas guzzler is likely cheaper than a carloan+gasbill
2. If you own 2 vehicles, take the more fuel effecient on
3. combine trips when running errands


IF you own a house, you need more than just a 4 door car for hauling people. You almost have to have minivan,suv, truck get things from the store to house. Or if you have a family you need one the vehicles listed above.

I anticipate the gas bill on our new suv will be lower than our maxima as I will be using it for my daily commute and the suv will be only lightly used. It is not all about mpg, it is about usage as well.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison
Stunt leaves off a few obvious points.

1. the gas bill bill for paid off gas guzzler is likely cheaper than a carloan+gasbill
2. If you own 2 vehicles, take the more fuel effecient on
3. combine trips when running errands

IF you own a house, you need more than just a 4 door car for hauling people. You almost have to have minivan,suv, truck get things from the store to house. Or if you have a family you need one the vehicles listed above.

I anticipate the gas bill on our new suv will be lower than our maxima as I will be using it for my daily commute and the suv will be only lightly used. It is not all about mpg, it is about usage as well.

Yes and no. No reason for the larger vehicle to be a behemoth that guzzles gas faster than a 1970's Bonneville, period.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Stunt leaves off a few obvious points.

1. the gas bill bill for paid off gas guzzler is likely cheaper than a carloan+gasbill
2. If you own 2 vehicles, take the more fuel effecient on
3. combine trips when running errands

IF you own a house, you need more than just a 4 door car for hauling people. You almost have to have minivan,suv, truck get things from the store to house. Or if you have a family you need one the vehicles listed above.

I anticipate the gas bill on our new suv will be lower than our maxima as I will be using it for my daily commute and the suv will be only lightly used. It is not all about mpg, it is about usage as well.

Yes and no. No reason for the larger vehicle to be a behemoth that guzzles gas faster than a 1970's Bonneville, period.

Well most suvs get similar mpg to what your van gets.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Stunt leaves off a few obvious points.

1. the gas bill bill for paid off gas guzzler is likely cheaper than a carloan+gasbill
2. If you own 2 vehicles, take the more fuel effecient on
3. combine trips when running errands

IF you own a house, you need more than just a 4 door car for hauling people. You almost have to have minivan,suv, truck get things from the store to house. Or if you have a family you need one the vehicles listed above.

I anticipate the gas bill on our new suv will be lower than our maxima as I will be using it for my daily commute and the suv will be only lightly used. It is not all about mpg, it is about usage as well.

Yes and no. No reason for the larger vehicle to be a behemoth that guzzles gas faster than a 1970's Bonneville, period.

Well most suvs get similar mpg to what your van gets.

Yeah sure. Only under optimum open highway driving conditions, certainly not city driving go to local Wally World. :roll:

You can't and we should not be justifying these beasts under any circumstance in 2005.

What is so hard in the concept of progress and movig forward not backwards???

 

[Stunt]

I agree with dave.
SUV's are unjustified unless you are loaded
That being said, we've always owned SUV's...I currently use a GMC Suburban. (over $100 to fill)

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: Tab
I had a Civic.

me too till my ex decided it looked better upside down.

:Q

she rolled it cause she was voice recording her notes on her way home from school. yes there is a reason she is now referred to as "The Ex."

man that sucks....sorry

Oh she was fine. One bruise on her hip, and my car disintegrated. I was glad she was OK but GD how freaking stupid can you be? Oh and she rolled it doing around 75MPH, so if you think you're not safe in a little car, think again.

I once went to 80mph on my 87' I once I hit that I slowed way the fvck down... I was surprised my car didn't completely fall apart...

Im made it to about 102-105 in my 86 celica.

 

[zendari]

Aren't SUVs supposedly safer cars (for the people in the car) for young drivers? Or is that a myth?

 

[1EZduzit]

Some people need pic-ups or SUV's. Others just drive them for status symbols.

Up here in the northland, we have some pretty bad winters and most farmers need a 4 wheels drive pickup. They also have to drive much farther for their parts, supplies, etc. and many of them can't afford more then one decent vehicle, so they get a good gas guzzling pickup because they can't get by without it.

 

[shoegazer]

Originally posted by: zendari
Aren't SUVs supposedly safer cars (for the people in the car) for young drivers? Or is that a myth?

i'm not really sure but i think SUVs are one of the most unsafe vehicles. i think the reason is that roll-overs are the most deadly accident you can be involved in and SUVs are much more likely to roll over.