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stunning new archeological evidence on Jesus' life
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thehstrybean
Diamond Member
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Christians can accept all of those. Fundys don't, so please don't confuse the rational religious person with a fundy...
Praxis1452
Platinum Member
so what are your views on what jimmj68 believes? does he classify as a fundy? jw. not sure what I'm trying to bring out of it yet.
What is the rational religious person? Where does the evidence of god and jesus come from? Kierkegard talked about that alot in his essays. Is the rational religious person simply someone who believes in god? If so what is his dogma? What are his rules for living life? If his only belief is in a god then they are probably a deist which is for all intents and purposes an agnostic or atheist. They don't believe god intervenes in this world yet that he's there. So if god doesn't intervene then the rituals many perform are rendered useless. Anyway fundies are christians and most christians are atheist/agnostic if they know nothing more than that there is a god and jesus.
Praxis1452
Platinum Member
but you've already cast judgement. Not doubt. There's a difference. 😉
thehstrybean
Diamond Member
*sigh*...I wasn't going to get into the religious side of it, but I'll answer your questions.
The only thing that jimmy said that I can see (unless I'm reading the wrong post) is that someone will always make the Bible sound more and more correct by denying Christ, a sign of the end times. Yes, Rev. says Jesus will be coming when people denounce his name. Yes, jimmy is right in saying that every day, more and more people deny him. Europe used to be a stronghold of Christianity, but now it's largely atheistic. I really don't have an opinion on the end. We'll know it when it happens. I'll just say that...
Down here (the south), fundys are a really big thing. Most of the ones here are the extreme Church of God, Church of Christ, and some Baptist (READ: snake handlers). Usually these are the people who stand up, shake hands, speak in tongues, etc. Now that's great, and I'm not criticizing them at all. Some people feel God in different ways, but for someone who was raised a Presp., it's just not my speed. Anyways. The rational person is willing to change their beliefs based on logical thought. Many people that I know refuse to change what they believe based on logic. Once again, not a bad thing, it's just a personal thing. Fundies are the people who stand outside of funerals protesting soldiers deaths and stand on the side of the road condemning you to hell if you don't believe EXACTLY what they believe. In my opinion, those are fundys. Dogma are the beliefs of a people than cannot be questioned, so someone who allows logic to change their beliefs doesn't really have a dogma, per se.
It really varies from person to person, but many Christians are logical, everday people who let logic and rational thought influence their beliefs. I do, and a lot of people who talk with me about religion think I'm an agnostic or even atheist. I'm not really anything. I grew up Presp, like I said, and over time logic changed a lot of what I believed, except for the core stuff. Christ is the Son of God who came to earth, died for my sin, rose on the 3rd day, promises eternal life, etc. This may or may not be dogma, but the more in-depth things, like unconditional election and predestination are logical based, to me.
Vic
Elite Member
I don't know why the public lets Hollywood re-write history for them. Good drama maybe, but never accurate.
Take Tombstone, for example. Great movie. But not even remotely accurate.
Or Oliver Stone's JFK. What a joke! Even the portrayal of Garrison was inaccurate, and that particular conspiracy theory (there are many about JFK, but Garrison's particular theory) was thoroughly discredited long before the movie even came out.
And so on... countless fabrications of history passed off as the real thing.
And yet more people get their history from Hollywood movies than from history books. It's becoming a national disgrace.
Take Tombstone, for example. Great movie. But not even remotely accurate.
Or Oliver Stone's JFK. What a joke! Even the portrayal of Garrison was inaccurate, and that particular conspiracy theory (there are many about JFK, but Garrison's particular theory) was thoroughly discredited long before the movie even came out.
And so on... countless fabrications of history passed off as the real thing.
And yet more people get their history from Hollywood movies than from history books. It's becoming a national disgrace.
TehMac
Diamond Member
By that reasoning, the democratic party are some of the biggest risk takers yet.
What if I told you the world was created not by a big bang, but a big meatball that broke into circular round fragments and thats how the world started. And then backed it up with facts that made sense and were provable. Would you believe it?
(correct answer is no, suckah)
LegendKiller
Lifer
Very good point
ForumMaster
Diamond Member
*grabs lawnchair and popcorn.* this is going to be very interesting. the guy willl probably get mobbed or something.
I will wish all a good night - all -
Logically I should undertake a defense of my earlier post which has struck a nerve somewhere, because logically he feels a need to win this "argument". But I have not argued with the poster as I logically should. Have you heard "--turn the other cheek"? that defeats argument instantly.
Here's a logic conundrum for you - Christ was fully aware that he was innocent of any wrong doing, yet he allowed himself to be brought up on charges, taken before the highest "court" and before a man that wisely and illogically refused to condemen Jesus himself as was his authority. He allowed the religous and learned leaders among his accusers to decide his fate. They offerred the gathering crowd a choice - who should die- Jesus of Nazareth or Babaras the criminal. To the gathered crowd Jesus was most logically the greater threat.
Now Jesus had walked on water, he had raised the dead, cured blindness, straightened crooked and crippled bodies and surely had the power to overcome all those who would nail him to the cross. As He hung there dying and suffering the logical thing to do is use the powers available to you and end the suffering. He didn't use logic. That's why he was able to take upon humself all of our sins (logical thought and its consequences) and get up from the dead. How logical is virgin birth?
Faith is truth and truth is faith - faith that you will be beleived because you are telling the
truth. Here's another for you - knowledge is not wisdom and is not truth. Knowledge about chemistry is fact of nature, knowledge about physics is fact of nature. Knowledge about religion (Theology) is a struggle to find truth upon which to base faith and becomes dependent on logic to define truth. All you ever need to know is available in the 66 books of the bible. Reading it in Faith will give you all the understanding, and wisdom, you need. Have you ever wondered why there are hundreds of colleges and universities dedicated to defining the logic in those 66 books?
Real FAITH, in capital letters comes only when you have enough faith as we all are given, in lower case to surrender your logical mind and allow yourself to be (here it comes!) Born again.
That's why I say you are incapable of understanding. Don't feel bad - you are definitely not alone. You are in the company of some of the worlds greatest religious teachers and leaders. -And what has transpired in this world in the name of religous logic defies description. 72 Virgins - give me a break!
This was too long a good night - sorry about that. But I hope it gives you something to think about that you will not try to define and understand logically.
Logically I should undertake a defense of my earlier post which has struck a nerve somewhere, because logically he feels a need to win this "argument". But I have not argued with the poster as I logically should. Have you heard "--turn the other cheek"? that defeats argument instantly.
Here's a logic conundrum for you - Christ was fully aware that he was innocent of any wrong doing, yet he allowed himself to be brought up on charges, taken before the highest "court" and before a man that wisely and illogically refused to condemen Jesus himself as was his authority. He allowed the religous and learned leaders among his accusers to decide his fate. They offerred the gathering crowd a choice - who should die- Jesus of Nazareth or Babaras the criminal. To the gathered crowd Jesus was most logically the greater threat.
Now Jesus had walked on water, he had raised the dead, cured blindness, straightened crooked and crippled bodies and surely had the power to overcome all those who would nail him to the cross. As He hung there dying and suffering the logical thing to do is use the powers available to you and end the suffering. He didn't use logic. That's why he was able to take upon humself all of our sins (logical thought and its consequences) and get up from the dead. How logical is virgin birth?
Faith is truth and truth is faith - faith that you will be beleived because you are telling the
truth. Here's another for you - knowledge is not wisdom and is not truth. Knowledge about chemistry is fact of nature, knowledge about physics is fact of nature. Knowledge about religion (Theology) is a struggle to find truth upon which to base faith and becomes dependent on logic to define truth. All you ever need to know is available in the 66 books of the bible. Reading it in Faith will give you all the understanding, and wisdom, you need. Have you ever wondered why there are hundreds of colleges and universities dedicated to defining the logic in those 66 books?
Real FAITH, in capital letters comes only when you have enough faith as we all are given, in lower case to surrender your logical mind and allow yourself to be (here it comes!) Born again.
That's why I say you are incapable of understanding. Don't feel bad - you are definitely not alone. You are in the company of some of the worlds greatest religious teachers and leaders. -And what has transpired in this world in the name of religous logic defies description. 72 Virgins - give me a break!
This was too long a good night - sorry about that. But I hope it gives you something to think about that you will not try to define and understand logically.
Very good chance that this whole thing is a hoax to generate publicity for some crappy movie
Edit
Think about it. Mel Gibson made a mint by making a horrible movie that featured Jesus in it. Now here's a 'documentary' that claims to disprove Jesus. Who would be interested in seeing that?
1) Most devout Christians, seeking to disprove the movie
2) Most anti-Christians, seeking verification from the movie
That embodies a fairly enormous percentage of Americans that will *absolutely* see this movie. And then you have the Average Joe that will see this movie either out of boredom or curiosity.
Now that's quite a lot of profit you have there.
Edit
Think about it. Mel Gibson made a mint by making a horrible movie that featured Jesus in it. Now here's a 'documentary' that claims to disprove Jesus. Who would be interested in seeing that?
1) Most devout Christians, seeking to disprove the movie
2) Most anti-Christians, seeking verification from the movie
That embodies a fairly enormous percentage of Americans that will *absolutely* see this movie. And then you have the Average Joe that will see this movie either out of boredom or curiosity.
Now that's quite a lot of profit you have there.
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