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Study Suggests 'Pothead' Stereotype Might Be Real

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It always amuses me with these anti-marijuana people, they have no problem with someone consuming alcohol which is infinitely worse in every possible way.
 
Fritzo said:
The kind of people that were waiting in line for pot in Colorado look exactly like the type of people I would picture waiting in line for pot.

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It's funny that you posted it, I saw the news story with these people and thought the same thing. Then they interviewed the first customer (who also looked looked like your typical pothead) at that shop and asked him what his day would be looked and he answered in a way you would expect.... Going home getting high and sitting around all day watching movies and playing video games.

I don't see anything wrong with it, but you have to admit there seems to be a "type" of person they are targeting to interview in a lot of these news reports. You can't have a clean shaven short hair guy who looks look he showers regularly answering questions about buying pot.
 
I want to make it clear that I think pot should be legalized and is safer than many legal drugs. I'm not anti-marijuana either. I think pot can bring a person a lot of very awesome experiences and insights. However, that's with moderate responsible use. What I'm speaking out against here is the notion that many youth have today that pot is totally harmless and that they could smoke as much as they want without consequence. That's stupid and irresponsible, and will only make it harder for this to be legalized for those who'd use it responsibly.
 
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shortylickens said:
Endorphins.

Not overrated.
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I don't know, I think a few people (americans) can actually reach that point where their body produces endorphins to desensitize them to pain, etc.

Most others just get really light-headed and tired and tweet something like, #runnershigh , when really they are just exhausted.
 
mizzou said:
I don't know, I think a few people (americans) can actually reach that point where their body produces endorphins to desensitize them to pain, etc.

Most others just get really light-headed and tired and tweet something like, #runnershigh , when really they are just exhausted.
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Runner's high has a few dependencies.

And I have zero problem with fatties patting themselves on the back for achieving a runner's high, when they have no idea what they are talking about.

I've felt good after a run - I've also felt like absolute shit afterwards to the point where the first person to look at me wrong was taking a bold risk.

Your body can encourage the additional release of various neurotransmitters to reward effort and positive stress.

Quite a few studies have actually cast doubt on whether actual endorphins cause the true runner's high (some is released simply as a reward for strenuous exercise). Some research has pointed to a different route: endocannabinoids and other NTs (classical stress release, mood regulation, and positive reward NTs like dopamine, serotonin, epinephrine, in varying ratios in comparison to each other). It's possibly been demonstrated that after prolonged exertion, like a 10k at moderate or high intensity as opposed to a high-intensity two miles or low intensity any distance.

I've never experienced a runner's high. It's because of two events that need to happen, have not happened. One, the distance/level of exertion as noted above is a crucial factor.

What triggers that kind of extreme response? It is a response both rewarding the effort and also attempting to cover up all the chaos going on inside the body: the inflammation, possible pain, and your body going crazy after most likely completely burning up free glycogen (both in liver and muscles) or at least burning through what's in the liver. Burning through your glycogen basically requires you a) to be in great shape to begin with (not in shape? you won't be conditioned enough to push that hard, just not happening), and b) to typically go high-intensity for lengthy periods of time.

Two details I'd like help clarifying: is it likely to only impact people with higher bodyfat percentages, or only those with low bodyfat? Generally high bodyfat means a high reserve of potential fuel, but I'm not sure if that alone really gives a clue as to how much glycogen the liver will store. Most fat people have eaten excess carbs for awhile, and generally I've heard they have massive glycogen stores. That could be entirely wrong though.
Another detail is whether glycogen truly has anything to do with a true runner's high, if such a thing exists. The same studies that seemed to demonstrate possible runner's high, also brought up significant questions - and some studies seemed to question the entire concept itself.

Which lead's me to another possibility: some drugs and chemicals are fat-soluble. People with low bodyfat generally can shed any drug metabolites that have been stored within adipose tissue much faster than those with excessive amounts of adipose and visceral fat.
Can the metabolic consumption (burning) of said stores of lipids result in any stored drug metabolites (and potentially active chemicals) being reintroduced to the nervous system and creating a "high" ?

I had a stoner buddy in college who said, that since he had smoked so much, whenever he went on a few mile run, which wasn't frequent, he'd actually get a mild high. Any validity? I actually never bothered to research that concept, surprised it took me until now to stop and think about it.
 
yhelothar said:
I want to make it clear that I think pot should be legalized and is safer than many legal drugs. I'm not anti-marijuana either. I think pot can bring a person a lot of very awesome experiences and insights. However, that's what moderate responsible use. What I'm speaking out against here is the notion that many youth have today that pot is totally harmless and that they could smoke as much as they want without consequence. That's stupid and irresponsible, and will only make it harder for this to be legalized for those who'd use it responsibly.
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A fair point.
 
destrekor said:
Runner's high has a few dependencies.

And I have zero problem with fatties patting themselves on the back for achieving a runner's high, when they have no idea what they are talking about.

I've felt good after a run - I've also felt like absolute shit afterwards to the point where the first person to look at me wrong was taking a bold risk.

Your body can encourage the additional release of various neurotransmitters to reward effort and positive stress.

Quite a few studies have actually cast doubt on whether actual endorphins cause the true runner's high (some is released simply as a reward for strenuous exercise). Some research has pointed to a different route: endocannabinoids and other NTs (classical stress release, mood regulation, and positive reward NTs like dopamine, serotonin, epinephrine, in varying ratios in comparison to each other). It's possibly been demonstrated that after prolonged exertion, like a 10k at moderate or high intensity as opposed to a high-intensity two miles or low intensity any distance.

I've never experienced a runner's high. It's because of two events that need to happen, have not happened. One, the distance/level of exertion as noted above is a crucial factor.

What triggers that kind of extreme response? It is a response both rewarding the effort and also attempting to cover up all the chaos going on inside the body: the inflammation, possible pain, and your body going crazy after most likely completely burning up free glycogen (both in liver and muscles) or at least burning through what's in the liver. Burning through your glycogen basically requires you a) to be in great shape to begin with (not in shape? you won't be conditioned enough to push that hard, just not happening), and b) to typically go high-intensity for lengthy periods of time.

Two details I'd like help clarifying: is it likely to only impact people with higher bodyfat percentages, or only those with low bodyfat? Generally high bodyfat means a high reserve of potential fuel, but I'm not sure if that alone really gives a clue as to how much glycogen the liver will store. Most fat people have eaten excess carbs for awhile, and generally I've heard they have massive glycogen stores. That could be entirely wrong though.
Another detail is whether glycogen truly has anything to do with a true runner's high, if such a thing exists. The same studies that seemed to demonstrate possible runner's high, also brought up significant questions - and some studies seemed to question the entire concept itself.

Which lead's me to another possibility: some drugs and chemicals are fat-soluble. People with low bodyfat generally can shed any drug metabolites that have been stored within adipose tissue much faster than those with excessive amounts of adipose and visceral fat.
Can the metabolic consumption (burning) of said stores of lipids result in any stored drug metabolites (and potentially active chemicals) being reintroduced to the nervous system and creating a "high" ?

I had a stoner buddy in college who said, that since he had smoked so much, whenever he went on a few mile run, which wasn't frequent, he'd actually get a mild high. Any validity? I actually never bothered to research that concept, surprised it took me until now to stop and think about it.
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Your buddy has a point there at the end. Depending on weight, body fat percentage, thc gets stored in your fat. So depending how his metabolism works, if it's slow, then thc is stored there and anytime that fat was burned the chemical would be released describing the mild high. It's uncommon but it does happen. Those with really fast metabolism can smoke, wait a couple of days with drinking lots of liquids plus exercise and they will pass a drug test.
 
yhelothar said:
I want to make it clear that I think pot should be legalized and is safer than many legal drugs. I'm not anti-marijuana either. I think pot can bring a person a lot of very awesome experiences and insights. However, that's what moderate responsible use. What I'm speaking out against here is the notion that many youth have today that pot is totally harmless and that they could smoke as much as they want without consequence. That's stupid and irresponsible, and will only make it harder for this to be legalized for those who'd use it responsibly.
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oh yeah, for sure. I've known the entire spectrum of users. casual users who are fine, or never fine; habitual users that excel in life (daily) or chronic users (daily++) that are complete wastes of life.

personality is key, as with any drug.

At the same time, I think young people are, well, fucking idiots. They will continue to do idiot things (it is our nature--we were all young at some point), and I do think pot is a very bad idea prior to ~college.
 
zerocool84 said:
It always amuses me with these anti-marijuana people, they have no problem with someone consuming alcohol which is infinitely worse in every possible way.
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It always amuses me that pro-marijuana people always have to use alcohol as part of their argument. They are also stupid enough to think that alcohol is worse because someone could abuse it. It's called moderation, ever heard of it? You automatically assume that all alcohol use is harmful, which simply isn't true. Not ever noting the fact that it has health benefits and other uses as well. It's a terribly weak argument when used.

You should promote the legalization of marijuana on its own merits.
 
I just got done with a 2100 mile road trip to drop off a foster dog to his new forever home. In honor of this thread, I am now gonna get fucking wasted.
 
Good on ya for delivering the dog, enjoy 🙂
Back on topic: I have a couple of neighbors. One gets baked, drinks, has a great time. He is also capable of creative achievements. Please note that he does these great things most often when he is not high.
The other does not drink, but gets baked with far more regularity. He has a garage full of projects he started, and they sit just like he does on the couch. The pot smokes him.
It does depend on the individual, but the bottom line is, these are recreational drugs. They are not 'productive' drugs.
You can't appreciate the high if you don't get straight now and again 😀
 
LikeLinus said:
It always amuses me that pro-marijuana people always have to use alcohol as part of their argument. They are also stupid enough to think that alcohol is worse because someone could abuse it. It's called moderation, ever heard of it? You automatically assume that all alcohol use is harmful, which simply isn't true. Not ever noting the fact that it has health benefits and other uses as well. It's a terribly weak argument when used.

You should promote the legalization of marijuana on its own merits.
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And you should take the giant stick out of your ass. Or get high and enjoy it. Plus, it is way better than alcohol.
 
LikeLinus said:
It always amuses me that pro-marijuana people always have to use alcohol as part of their argument. They are also stupid enough to think that alcohol is worse because someone could abuse it. It's called moderation, ever heard of it? You automatically assume that all alcohol use is harmful, which simply isn't true. Not ever noting the fact that it has health benefits and other uses as well. It's a terribly weak argument when used.

You should promote the legalization of marijuana on its own merits.
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Ns1 said:
Marijuana is awesome and should therefore be legalized. Better? =P
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LikeLinus said:
Much better. 😀. I just get sick of the whole "but mommy, billy got this toy and I didn't" argument that is used. Lol
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Well, it's useful to compare. When it comes to making chemicals legal or illegal, the term analog is rather common. Now, technically, this is "analog" according to chemistry, not other uses, so in this case it's use is not correct form.

That said, it helps put in comparison the kind of use category, or in other words, the market. And it's important to compare health, because many, many people would appreciate marijuana more than alcohol entirely due to health reasons (not only "it's not alcohol", but, "this has beneficial properties too" mentality), but alas, must stick to what is legal for various reasons.
 
People with ADD and ADHD tend to be attracted to marijuana and use it to self medicate. I think this leads to a lot of the stereotypes of long term effects. We know pot isn't really physically addictive, but it can play a crucial roll as medication to people with ADD. Its amazing how similar ADD symptoms and pothead stereotypes are: Lack of concentration, lack of ambition, inability to plan for the future, poor in school etc.
 
BudAshes said:
People with ADD and ADHD tend to be attracted to marijuana and use it to self medicate. I think this leads to a lot of the stereotypes of long term effects. We know pot isn't really physically addictive, but it can play a crucial roll as medication to people with ADD. Its amazing how similar ADD symptoms and pothead stereotypes are: Lack of concentration, lack of ambition, inability to plan for the future, poor in school etc.
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Let's not forget the actual effects of getting stoned here, bud.
 
I read somewhere that ADD was a made up disease, it was released when the doctor who discovered it had died. I'll try and link it. I dunno I grew up in Europe half my life and people there don't know what you mean when you tell them this kid has ADD.
 
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