Study: Same situation blacks more likely to be shot then whites

[HomerJS]

A question being asked with the rash of unarmed black males being shot/killed, would the result change if the victim was white.

A study conducted by the University of Chicago asks and answers the question

Correll, set to begin PhD studies that fall at the University of Colorado, found himself wondering about “all the trouble that had come from trying to interpret what happened on that night in 1999.” Would different circumstances—race, in particular—have yielded a different outcome? “What if the officers had approached a white guy and he had run into the vestibule of his apartment building and reached for a wallet?” as Diallo did, Correll asks. “What would have happened—in that neighborhood in the Bronx in the wee hours of the night?” The fact is, he says, “we don’t know.”

In experiment after experiment—Correll has tested undergraduates, DMV customers, mall food-court patrons, and police officers—people’s mistakes, although rare, follow a pattern: they shoot more unarmed blacks than unarmed whites, and they fail to shoot more whites than blacks who turn out to be holding weapons.

A study in the June 2006 Journal of Experimental Social Psychology offers proof of how deeply lodged those stereotypes are. In that test, Correll hooked electrodes to participants’ scalps to monitor the electrical activity of neurons firing as the video game played out. “Surprise, surprise,” he says, “the P200s”—a neuronal voltage jump associated with threat responses—“tended to be bigger for black faces than for white faces.” Especially strong P200s translated to more pronounced bias in the video game. “This fluctuation is happening just 200 milliseconds after the stimulus appears on the screen,” Correll says. “We’re talking very, very quick—preconscious. This is your first gut response.”

http://magazine.uchicago.edu/0778/investigations/shooters_choice.shtml

 

[LTC8K6]

Denver police officers showed no bias in decision to shoot...

Denver officers showed no bias in their ultimate decisions. In other words, the presence of a counterstereotypic target (such as a black man with a cell phone) may have delayed a Denver officer’s response, but it did not cause the officer to make a mistake. Ultimately, officers’ decisions about whether or not to shoot were unaffected by the target’s race.

It must be acknowledged that the officers in these studies did show pronounced racial bias in their reaction times. Even with extensive training and experience, police still seem to call stereotypes to mind when they see a black target on the computer screen; however, the officers were ultimately able to override those associations and respond in an unbiased fashion. This persistence of stereotypes serves as a reminder to the law enforcement community, and to U.S. residents more generally, of the potential influence, even in subtle ways, race can have. Nonetheless, these findings clearly offer optimism about the state of modern police training.

http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/...on=display_arch&article_id=1798&issue_id=5200

 

[spacejamz]

Now we have the explanation for what is going in Chicago

 

[LTC8K6]

http://fairandimpartialpolicing.com/docs/pob2.pdf

Well, there is the actual study, for those who want to evaluate it.

 

[doubledeluxe]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152314396513715&set=vb.673253714&type=2&theater

 

[piasabird]

Blacks are more likely to be loud spoken, belligerent and disrespectful to the police. Blacks also are more likely to be criminals and fear being arrested and thus do not want to identify themselves. Since blacks commit about 70% or all crimes they are more likely to be misidentified as a criminal. Blacks are also more likely to need the protection of the police due to black on black crime.

None of this is the white man's fault. It is a black cultural issue.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let's say that a group is selected for a study on whatever basis.

Let's say that one group commits violent crimes as a far higher rate including assaults.

Let's say the other group or groups have a significantly lower rate of the above.

Which group is likely to suffer as a result of it's statistical propensity towards crime?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

http://fairandimpartialpolicing.com/docs/pob2.pdf

Well, there is the actual study, for those who want to evaluate it.

From the actual study-

Though these studies suggest that bias in the decision to shoot
may be widespread, it is not yet clear that Shooter Bias actually
exists among police officers

 

[brandonb]

Blacks are more likely to be loud spoken, belligerent and disrespectful to the police. Blacks also are more likely to be criminals and fear being arrested and thus do not want to identify themselves. Since blacks commit about 70% or all crimes they are more likely to be misidentified as a criminal. Blacks are also more likely to need the protection of the police due to black on black crime.

None of this is the white man's fault. It is a black cultural issue.

I agree.

Face it. Black people and white people are different, and in a split section that we may have to make a decision, we have to come to what we think is the most correct solution.

If I'm being robbed by a black man in some dark alley by gunpoint. I fear there will be a good chance that he will pull the trigger even if I do give him the money. So my first reaction is going to be to fight/flight rather than comply.

On the other hand, I believe that if a white person was robbing me by gunpoint, and I gave him money, that he'd run away with it and leave me alone.

I know it's not 100% in either case. White men will still shoot while black men would let me go. I know.

So is it just my perception or is my perception reality? I'm not going to give anybody the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a mere second of decision time and go with what I believe.

I do not believe it's my duty to change my own perception. If someone wants to change that perception in me, they need to start doing the actions which would cause me to change my mind. So far nobody has, in fact, as time goes on, it only gets worse.

 

[Svnla]

How come Asians (also a minority group - even more minority than blacks) do not have this problem? Hummmm....

Let see. The US population is about 1/2 males and 1/2 females (roughtly). Most of the violent crimes are done by males. When I walk down a street at night and see a group of young males on one side and a group of young females on the other side, take a wild guess which side of the street I will be on. Am I "sexist" or "discriminate/bias/<fill in the blank>" or am I being smart? Just saying.

Now we have the explanation for what is going in Chicago

and New Orleans (especially Ward 9 and surrounding vincinity) and so on.

 

[doubledeluxe]

Poverty plays a big part.

9.9% of all white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
28.4% of all black persons.

It's very lopsided.

 

[shortylickens]

Dont doubt it.

Of course with those numbers you'd think blacks would not go out of their way to antagonize police.
Or maybe THATS the reason their numbers are higher.

 

[Victorian Gray]

How come Asians (also a minority group - even more minority than blacks) do not have this problem? Hummmm....

Let see. The US population is about 1/2 males and 1/2 females (roughtly). Most of the violent crimes are done by males. When I walk down a street at night and see a group of young males on one side and a group of young females on the other side, take a wild guess which side of the street I will be on. Am I "sexist" or "discriminate/bias/<fill in the blank>" or am I being smart? Just saying.



and New Orleans (especially Ward 9 and surrounding vincinity) and so on.

http://unitedgangs.com/category/asian-gangs/

 

[werepossum]

It's interesting that this affect exists with blacks as well, suggesting it's not just blind bigotry but a learned bias that blacks are more likely to be dangerous. I think this sort of testing (coupled with training) should be mandatory for cops, so that the cop is aware of his own level of bias and can adjust accordingly. For instance, if one knows one has a strong bias toward misidentifying blacks as carrying weapons, one can take training to build in an extra level of double-checking with blacks, to lessen the chance of blowing away some guy who is merely holding a cell phone while black.

I also find it amusing that since the authors use African-American to identify blacks, they have begun capitalizing 'White' to identify chalkies. But 'white' is merely a descriptor; African-American is capitalized because an adjective made of proper nouns. We chalkies really won't offended if you don't capitalize 'white', guys.

 

[Svnla]

http://unitedgangs.com/category/asian-gangs/

Black people account for 40% of the prison population in the US, but only 12% of the population overall.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21791038

Also, look at the looters and rioters of Ferguson, what were their racial make up again?


Next lame excuse!!!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's interesting that this affect exists with blacks as well, suggesting it's not just blind bigotry but a learned bias that blacks are more likely to be dangerous. I think this sort of testing (coupled with training) should be mandatory for cops, so that the cop is aware of his own level of bias and can adjust accordingly. For instance, if one knows one has a strong bias toward misidentifying blacks as carrying weapons, one can take training to build in an extra level of double-checking with blacks, to lessen the chance of blowing away some guy who is merely holding a cell phone while black.

I also find it amusing that since the authors use African-American to identify blacks, they have begun capitalizing 'White' to identify chalkies. But 'white' is merely a descriptor; African-American is capitalized because an adjective made of proper nouns. We chalkies really won't offended if you don't capitalize 'white', guys.

What I don't know if you missed is that there's nothing in the study which says this applies to police. My quote in a post above says as much. LTC posted a link which follows up with police specifically and while the general population fails the police do not.

 

[werepossum]

What I don't know if you missed is that there's nothing in the study which says this applies to police. My quote in a post above says as much. LTC posted a link which follows up with police specifically and while the general population fails the police do not.

I don't think that's completely true. The last paragraph of LTC's excellent link:

It must be acknowledged that the officers in these studies did show pronounced racial bias in their reaction times. Even with extensive training and experience, police still seem to call stereotypes to mind when they see a black target on the computer screen; however, the officers were ultimately able to override those associations and respond in an unbiased fashion. This persistence of stereotypes serves as a reminder to the law enforcement community, and to U.S. residents more generally, of the potential influence, even in subtle ways, race can have. Nonetheless, these findings clearly offer optimism about the state of modern police training.

There was a "pronounced racial bias" in the officers' reaction times, although there was not in the decision whether to shoot. Now, if this mirrors real life, you are correct. I tend to think officers will make faster decisions when their lives are actually on the line, which with the noted racial bias would imply that their initial bias would likely still cause them to more likely incorrectly shoot a black person than a white, even though they are way ahead of the rest of us. (I'd be screwed, as I don't believe I could accurately make that decision in 850 milliseconds.)

 

[silicon]

A question being asked with the rash of unarmed black males being shot/killed, would the result change if the victim was white.

A study conducted by the University of Chicago asks and answers the question








http://magazine.uchicago.edu/0778/investigations/shooters_choice.shtml

The difference is the media would ignore the death because he was white...and many whites do die every year at the hands of police and i don't see whites rioting, burning and looting. Just sayin'.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There was a "pronounced racial bias" in the officers' reaction times, although there was not in the decision whether to shoot. Now, if this mirrors real life, you are correct. I tend to think officers will make faster decisions when their lives are actually on the line, which with the noted racial bias would imply that their initial bias would likely still cause them to more likely incorrectly shoot a black person than a white, even though they are way ahead of the rest of us. (I'd be screwed, as I don't believe I could accurately make that decision in 850 milliseconds.)

Your supposition doesn't seem supported by the results however. One might imagine what you suggest but while I understand what you are saying the bottom line as far as can be determined is the outcomes suggest that training overcomes error.

What I'd like to see is how black officers compare to whites and if there's any difference in response times and error rates.

 

[Fern]

Poverty plays a big part.

9.9% of all white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
28.4% of all black persons.

It's very lopsided.

Your number are deceptive. There are more poor whites than blacks.

Fern

 

[Fern]

I'd like to see a study on how likely someone attacking/punching a cop and trying to steal his gun is shot by said cop. I'm guessing the number is damn high no matter the race.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

Your supposition doesn't seem supported by the results however. One might imagine what you suggest but while I understand what you are saying the bottom line as far as can be determined is the outcomes suggest that training overcomes error.

What I'd like to see is how black officers compare to whites and if there's any difference in response times and error rates.

Agreed.

I believe the bias was the same across racial lines, but I agree it would be interesting to see if there is a difference in response times.

The real take-away point here might be that cops are actually already much better than the rest of us at resisting this bias, although I still have my doubts that this game accurately models real life situations.

 

[Victorian Gray]

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21791038

Also, look at the looters and rioters of Ferguson, what were their racial make up again?


Next lame excuse!!!

Excuse for what?

You seemed to be wondering why the Asian population didn't seem to have issues of gangs and violence. Just pointing out that you were incorrect and providing you some information.

 

[Paul98]

look at all you poor racists, too fucking stupid to figure out reality.

 

[HeXen]

Life's not fair...deal.