Study: Same situation blacks more likely to be shot then whites

[Abwx]

Black people account for 40% of the prison population in the US, but only 12% of the population overall.

This just say that being white is a sure asset to not be easily caught when you breach the law...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

look at all you poor racists, too fucking stupid to figure out reality.

What is your enlightened opinion of the scientific research and conclusions? You seem perturbed by it.

 

[finglobes]

I wonder who is more likely to start fights at McDonalds? Most likely to run through stores looting? Most likely to play "knockout game"? So many attacks have been on white people and media/Obama Ebola ignore it all. There's been an epidemic of black violence on whites and other for years now. Its hard to get concerned over a chubby bully with his pants down who beats a shop owner, steals from him and then gets violent with police. The Trayvon case became a faux scandal (MSNBC doctored phone call to exclude question about looks prior to the "He's black" reply). Now these poor black people are rioting for Obama and Holders agitation while Obama buries them under illegals. Not too smart.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This just say that being white is a sure asset to not be easily caught when you breach the law...

It's not hard to determine the truth of that but you have to make sure the answer matches the question.

Crimes do not depend on race for commission in terms of what meets the definition. For example if I beat you with a club and I am not caught my race is completely unknown. That however does not mean that a crime did not happen. Now if one examines crime rates (not arrests or convictions) in areas selected by a given criteria a correlation can be drawn. Of course "correlation does not mean causation" and that is a wise maxim to consider however that does not mean that there is no basis for examination or consideration. If an inner city area is considered which is virtually exclusively a particular race and has had high incidents of crime which show no statistical bias in terms of location or pattern (to rule out naughty members of a different race sneaking in and committing crime sprees) then it's hard to find a competing basis for a contention other that that stated.

 

[HeXen]

I'm most likely to get away with most anything and do. I'm white, clean cut, smell good, trusting smile, dress appropriately and can speak coherent and clear english..sometimes with some wit. I have even always managed to walk away from bar fights without throwing or taking a single punch. How you behave and present yourself truly does wonders.

 

[Abwx]

It's not hard to determine the truth of that but you have to make sure the answer matches the question.

Crimes do not depend on race for commission in terms of what meets the definition. For example if I beat you with a club and I am not caught my race is completely unknown. That however does not mean that a crime did not happen. Now if one examines crime rates (not arrests or convictions) in areas selected by a given criteria a correlation can be drawn. Of course "correlation does not mean causation" and that is a wise maxim to consider however that does not mean that there is no basis for examination or consideration. If an inner city area is considered which is virtually exclusively a particular race and has had high incidents of crime which show no statistical bias in terms of location or pattern (to rule out naughty members of a different race sneaking in and committing crime sprees) then it's hard to find a competing basis for a contention other that that stated.

In the french city i live in there are people who seems to be regularly jailed for stealing in some classy clothes shops, but there was a guy that stealed for as much as 500$/day and was caught years after he started to do so, the reason why he went ususpected all this time was his physical appearance, a wimpy blonde with an angel face and a pair of glasses that makes him look like a student in philosophy.

If he had an appearance that would had got him racialy profiled he would had been caught way sooner and it works just like this in the US, it s much more difficult to escape or be unsuspected if you re an afro american, actualy i m sure that a white can quietly steal in a shop if there is also a few "usual suspects" hanging by there to attract all the attention...

 

[Svnla]

Excuse for what?

You seemed to be wondering why the Asian population didn't seem to have issues of gangs and violence. Just pointing out that you were incorrect and providing you some information.

Tittle of this thread "Study: Same situation blacks more likely to be shot then whites"

That's why I said in my original post "How come Asians (also a minority group - even more minority than blacks) do not have this problem? " ...THIS PROBLEM = more likely to be shot than whites"

I did NOT say about "issues of gangs and violence" as you claimed I said. Learn to read, eh?

Look like you ARE the one that were incorrect because of reading comprehension problem.

 

[highland145]

Now we have the explanation for what is going in Chicago

Black wannabe cops are shooting their own.....

 

[highland145]

From the actual study-

Quote:
Though these studies suggest that bias in the decision to shoot
may be widespread, it is not yet clear that Shooter Bias actually
exists among police officers

So those 2 white officers in my town that got killed by 2 black youts might have saved their own lives if they had shot the 2 youts at 1st glance?

I think so, considering the evidence.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In the french city i live in there are people who seems to be regularly jailed for stealing in some classy clothes shops, but there was a guy that stealed for as much as 500$/day and was caught years after he started to do so, the reason why he went ususpected all this time was his physical appearance, a wimpy blonde with an angel face and a pair of glasses that makes him look like a student in philosophy.

If he had an appearance that would had got him racialy profiled he would had been caught way sooner and it works just like this in the US, it s much more difficult to escape or be unsuspected if you re an afro american, actualy i m sure that a white can quietly steal in a shop if there is also a few "usual suspects" hanging by there to attract all the attention...

As I said the question and answer must match. Are whites more likely to get away with a crime? Probably. Let's say yes, but that doesn't really say anything about crimes committed as a proportion of a population. That's why I was quite specific to provide a mechanism for determining actual crime rates by group as opposed to arrests. How well has that been done? I have no idea, but if you can find a flaw in my reasoning I'm receptive to hearing it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So those 2 white officers in my town that got killed by 2 black youts might have saved their own lives if they had shot the 2 youts at 1st glance?

I think so, considering the evidence.

Well if police shoot everyone at first glance chances are that no one will be able to shoot back. That's quite a different thing than why people fire and if those reasons lead to mistakes in judgements depending on race.

 

[rommelrommel]

I'd like to see a study on how likely someone attacking/punching a cop and trying to steal his gun is shot by said cop. I'm guessing the number is damn high no matter the race.

Fern

Agreed. Or punching/attacking anyone that has a gun.

 

[Abwx]

As I said the question and answer must match. Are whites more likely to get away with a crime? Probably. Let's say yes, but that doesn't really say anything about crimes committed as a proportion of a population. That's why I was quite specific to provide a mechanism for determining actual crime rates by group as opposed to arrests. How well has that been done? I have no idea, but if you can find a flaw in my reasoning I'm receptive to hearing it.

In any country repression is firstly directed toward the most poor part of the society, that s why you see more poors jailed, to get the picture there are more people jailed for weed usage and eventual light such deals than for tax fraud, here in France you are not even jailed for tax frauds, yet when we look at the financial impact of boths activities it makes no doubt that tax evasion cost much more to the state than weed comsumption and deals, now check the number of people devoted to tax evasion and the number of policeman that are in postion to arrest a weed consumer, that is, all means have been directed towards the latter activity.

Ask yourself a question, if one steal something in a shop the business owner can call the police and ask for an arrest to be made, the policeman will be held competent to do the arrest in such a circumstance, now imagine that you bought something in a shop and that you were promised to be delivered the good the next day, next day you go there and are not delivered the good neither this day nor the following ones, in such a circumstance you cant call the police and ask for the shop owner to be arrested, you must go in court to prove that the guy did in fact stole your money even if you can present a prove that you paid for the good, and the guy will never be jailed even if the court codemn him.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

In any country repression is firstly directed toward the most poor part of the society, that s why you see more poors jailed, to get the picture there are more people jailed for weed usage and eventual light such deals than for tax fraud, here in France you are not even jailed for tax frauds, yet when we look at the financial impact of boths activities it makes no doubt that tax evasion cost much more to the state than weed comsumption and deals, now check the number of people devoted to tax evasion and the number of policeman that are in postion to arrest a weed consumer, that is, all means have been directed towards the latter activity.

Ask yourself a question, if one steal something in a shop the business owner can call the police and ask for an arrest to be made, the policeman will be held competent to do the arrest in such a circumstance, now imagine that you bought something in a shop and that you were promised to be delivered the good the next day, next day you go there and are not delivered the good neither this day nor the following ones, in such a circumstance you cant call the police and ask for the shop owner to be arrested, you must go in court to prove that the guy did in fact stole your money even if you can present a prove that you paid for the good, and the guy will never be jailed even if the court codemn him.

We're talking about two different things which are not mutually exclusive. I'm referring to absolute incidence of crime. You (I think) are referring to accusations and attributions due to status or race. It would be hard to argue that having money or power does not provide an advantage, everything else being equal. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying we're mostly referring to different things. Does that make sense?

 

[compuwiz1]

What is your enlightened opinion of the scientific research and conclusions? You seem perturbed by it.

Can't use facts on someone with a distorted way of thinking. They'll just call you a racist and walk out of the room.

 

[shortylickens]

Life's not fair...deal.

That's fine when you are talking to an individual person.

It's completely unacceptable when discussing fifteen percent of a first world nation.
This is a problem and needs To be dealt with. The big problem is how. Do we try more welfare or something else?

 

[highland145]

Well if police shoot everyone at first glance chances are that no one will be able to shoot back. That's quite a different thing than why people fire and if those reasons lead to mistakes in judgements depending on race.

I know you're right but the mistake/error window is miniscule.

The local police murders:

The 1st cop kept telling the perp show his hands...he finally did and shot the cop in the head.

The 2nd, the perp was kneeling on the ground when the cop showed up. When the cop came up behind him, he turned and shot her in the chest. Then shot her in the back of the head.

Neither Al or Jesse showed up. Imagine that.

 

[Abwx]

We're talking about two different things which are not mutually exclusive. I'm referring to absolute incidence of crime. You (I think) are referring to accusations and attributions due to status or race. It would be hard to argue that having money or power does not provide an advantage, everything else being equal. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying we're mostly referring to different things. Does that make sense?

We agree but true that i gave a stretched exemple that does not help explaining my opinion.

To say it simply, let s use the drug deals as exemple, a black has far more chance to be negatively profiled and eventualy frisked, if he detain some majijuana he will be arrested, white people are not as much negatively profiled and will rarely be checked by policemen unless they are blatantly wrongdoing, hence the blacks will fill jails simply because the repression is concentrated against them and not against eventual whites that also act covertly but are never suspected of doing so.

Anyway the conscensus in France, i dont know for the rest of Europe, is that the US police is blatlantly racist, the statistics dont lie, blacks killed by police are in much bigger excess than their rate in the population, of course the usual excuse is that they are more prone to crimes but that s not as simple as that, i wont negate that the violence rate seems higher in black community but ultimately that s only a consequence of their status wich, to this day, is the one of an african nation living in US soil despite the rights guaranted by the constitution, there are other laws, called customs laws and wich are enforced by everyday people and that are also real laws, an exemple of theses laws is when a black is discriminated repeatidly when looking for some works, there s a non written law that stipulate that blacks shouldnt be given a work if possible, there is a non written law among the police that say that blacks are the number ones suspects when patrolling in the city and so on, ourselves we are applying non written laws, i think that you have enough experience to know that about everything is ruled by things that are not told but thought, i have trouble translating the word, in French we say the "non dit", that is, what is not told (publicly) but applied, the result is an impoverished community where violence has no trouble being grown.

 

[rommelrommel]

Lol, a Frenchman lecturing Americans about racism.

 

[OverVolt]

This is like sociology dumb shit. I remember being taught that because the punishment for crack cocaine versus regular cocaine was harsher, that the law was racist because blacks tended to use more crack cocaine. DONT DO FUCKING COCAINE PROBLEM SOLVED JESUS CHRIST. And if you DO decide to use cocaine don't buy the cheap shit because it carries a higher prison sentence PROBLEM SOLVED x2.

Think of the children crack cocaine addicts, and how the system is out to get them.

Guess what? The system IS out to get crack cocaine addicts. Don't do crack cocaine.

 

[OverVolt]

We agree but true that i gave a stretched exemple that does not help explaining my opinion.

To say it simply, let s use the drug deals as exemple, a black has far more chance to be negatively profiled and eventualy frisked, if he detain some majijuana he will be arrested, white people are not as much negatively profiled and will rarely be checked by policemen unless they are blatantly wrongdoing, hence the blacks will fill jails simply because the repression is concentrated against them and not against eventual whites that also act covertly but are never suspected of doing so.

Anyway the conscensus in France, i dont know for the rest of Europe, is that the US police is blatlantly racist, the statistics dont lie, blacks killed by police are in much bigger excess than their rate in the population, of course the usual excuse is that they are more prone to crimes but that s not as simple as that, i wont negate that the violence rate seems higher in black community but ultimately that s only a consequence of their status wich, to this day, is the one of an african nation living in US soil despite the rights guaranted by the constitution, there are other laws, called customs laws and wich are enforced by everyday people and that are also real laws, an exemple of theses laws is when a black is discriminated repeatidly when looking for some works, there s a non written law that stipulate that blacks shouldnt be given a work if possible, there is a non written law among the police that say that blacks are the number ones suspects when patrolling in the city and so on, ourselves we are applying non written laws, i think that you have enough experience to know that about everything is ruled by things that are not told but thought, i have trouble translating the word, in French we say the "non dit", that is, what is not told (publicly) but applied, the result is an impoverished community where violence has no trouble being grown.

Yes statistical discrimination per sociology school of thought, I know. Preaching to the choir. You know if you weren't doing criminal activity you can't be charged with a crime? Holy shit a revolutionary thought. You guys act like criminal activity is protected in the bill of rights.

Normal names also get more callbacks on resumes. Nobody forced them to name their kid "UNEQQE" cause all the other kids named "UNIQUE" weren't unique enough.

 

[shortylickens]

I wonder who is more likely to start fights at McDonalds? Most likely to run through stores looting? Most likely to play "knockout game"? So many attacks have been on white people and media/Obama Ebola ignore it all. There's been an epidemic of black violence on whites and other for years now. Its hard to get concerned over a chubby bully with his pants down who beats a shop owner, steals from him and then gets violent with police. The Trayvon case became a faux scandal (MSNBC doctored phone call to exclude question about looks prior to the "He's black" reply). Now these poor black people are rioting for Obama and Holders agitation while Obama buries them under illegals. Not too smart.

Americans prefer yelling at scandals over dealing with problems.

 

[piasabird]

It is just lack of morals. Maybe welfare and very low probability of a father in the family has something to do with this. Obvious solution is to get rid of welfare.

 

[Texashiker]

A question being asked with the rash of unarmed black males being shot/killed, would the result change if the victim was white.

A study conducted by the University of Chicago asks and answers the question

Studies would be better served looking at the cultural and genetic differences between blacks and whites.

 

[Atreus21]

A question being asked with the rash of unarmed black males being shot/killed, would the result change if the victim was white.

A study conducted by the University of Chicago asks and answers the question








http://magazine.uchicago.edu/0778/investigations/shooters_choice.shtml

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