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Study: Joys of Parenthood are Exaggerated

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I personally do not feel that I can afford kids. My GF and I make around $150K in DC. This puts us squarely in the "comfy" middle-class territory. If we had a child, we would be unable to afford our current $2300/month rent. We'd have to move (probably to VA where the schools are at least decent), buy a car (we don't have one), and join the commute rat race, not to mention live in an area that "culturally" wouldn't appeal as much to us as living in downtown DC.

As someone who was raised mostly in the private school system, I would make this a priority for any child of mine, adding an additional $20-30K per year in tuition payments from grammar school onwards, not to mention saving for college tuition that will be at least $50-60k/year in the next 20 years. Where does this money come from?

Of course, my wife would also want to do it "right" and stay home to raise the child, thus further reducing our income by 60% or so, making the process that much more difficult. (She would want to do this much to the chagrin of her two Master's Degrees.)

Personal comfort and finance issues aside, why would I want to bring a child into a world (country) in decline? I mean, we are on our way to a situation that will make the Great Depression look like a party, so why would I want a child to endure that? Why would I bring them into a world where the quality of life will be lower than mine? We have no concept of the level of destitution and violence that awaits this country as the house of cards begins to collapse at every level of government. Social structures as we know them will begin to break down. US Dollars will become worthless.

Finally, but perhaps least of all, children (population growth) are a negative impact on our environment. From consumption to pollution, they only exacerbate the problem.

In summation, I am just fine by having a few pets. My need to nurture is taken care of without all of consequences I listed above.

Don't like my logic? Tough but I wish you the best of luck and a long, happy life with your children. Congratulations.

Like my avatar suggests, the cake is a lie!
 
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Personal comfort and finance issues aside, why would I want to bring a child into a world (country) in decline? I mean, we are on our way to a situation that will make the Great Depression look like a party, so why would I want a child to endure that? Why would I bring them into a world where the quality of life will be lower than mine? We have no concept of the level of destitution and violence that awaits this country as the house of cards begins to collapse at every level of government. Social structures as we know them will begin to break down. US Dollars will become worthless.

Those of us who are a bit older can remember what it was like in the decades after the US bombed Japan, we were sure the world was going to be nuked out of existence by SOMEBODY. (Tom Lehrer summed it up nicely in Who's Next http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRLON3ddZIw). It made no sense to bring a child into a world that was going to end.

Childhood ideas are powerful. I'm amazed that I'm still here. Yeah, I had kids - figured I'd at least enjoy some of their younger years before the inevitable happened. Then gosh, they had kids too - and you wonder why I'm so crazy about my grandchildren!

Moral of my ranting, you want to bring them into the world because you have NO IDEA what is really going to happen. Might be great might be horrible but at least you give them a chance at life.

This is just to give you something to think about and doesn't imply that you are wrong in any way.
 
As someone who was raised mostly in the private school system, I would make this a priority for any child of mine, adding an additional $20-30K per year in tuition payments from grammar school onwards, not to mention saving for college tuition that will be at least $50-60k/year in the next 20 years. Where does this money come from?

I agree with a lot of what you said, but this is silly. If you live in NoVA then the public schools there are excellent (although the influx of illegals may be having a negative effect on them.) Seriously, the education a kid gets in Fairfax County Public Schools will be just as good as in any snooty expensive private school.
 
Now that I've had a little more time to sit back and really respond to the article I just have to say "No Duh".

Kid's aren't easy. They aren't cheap. They can be some of the most frustrating little shits you've ever had to deal with. But yet we still love them (most of the time).

But I could say similar things about a lot of situations. Computers. Cars. Exercising. Building a house. Owning a house. Work. Relationships. Family. Friends. Games. Pets. And so on.

You could poll people on about any of those situations if you word the questions the right way you'd get the same results as in this study.

No one enjoys (or no one I know) enjoys those first several months (or more) of sleepless nights during the infant stage. Dealing with refluxy infants who puke every morning in the car on the way to day care drop off. Potty training. Spending an hour at the dinner table trying to get 3 green beans into them. Having to send in the hazmat team to clean up a class 5 underpants blowout after Mom unwisely gives them a fiber one bar. And so on.

And we haven't even gotten into days missed from work from sickness(both theirs and yours from what they bring home as souveniers from daycare). Or saving and paying for college or the Uhaul trailer worth of stuff they seem to require in the first 5 years of their life.

But we do it anyway.

Hundreds of millions of people put up with similar things with pets. It's just not to the extremes of kids...but the same emotions and tradeoffs are there.

Same thing with houses. And hundreds of millions of people do that too.

And cars.

And significant others.

And so on.

I'm not going to sit here and scream from the mountain top about how awesome parenting is. It's not a full time bag of winning. It just isn't. It's hard, frustrating and expensive as the article states.

But there isn't anything other than my daughter that can make me laugh like I did when she told my wife that her and daddy were out looking at "cocks". (see my above post about the toddler enunciation of "truck" for relevant infomation".

I don't expect other people to get the same laugh out of it. Just like I don't have the same affection for their pets that they do. Or some goofly looking classic old car they love to tool around in on warm weekend days. Or all the time they put into landscaping their house. And so on.

The one thing I can say about having a kid vs. not having one is that my time on this planet absolutely flies now. Months fly by like they are weeks. It's so surreal. And when I get a few free hours of "me" time to unwind I enjoy it so much more than I did before. You just learn to take advantage of things differently with kids. You can't really explain well it if you haven't experienced it.

And besides, how many of us really keep the really bad memories of things like college or former relationships stuck in our heads? Do we really remember all of long nights of studing and shitty cafeteria food? Or do you remember your first time on the coed floor with a couple naked chicks walking out of the shower? How about all of the breakups we have with relationships vs. all of the good times like the first kiss or the first time you made it to third base with them? Or any other pile situations that we bury/forget the bad stuff and leave the good stuff at the surface.

It's just what most people do. It's what allows us to pick ourselves up, dust off, and get back into the game and play.
 
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