Is there really that big of a difference between property taxes and collective ownership of land? In the former the moment you can't afford to pay it's taken from you anyway.
cytg111
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UglyCasanova : His mind constantly telling him that what is heart is forcing him to do is wrong. That black spot on the inside that just wont go away. Pity.
Texas' AG says it's unconstitutional for San Antonio's airport to not have a Chik-Fil-A.
For how much Republicans love to shout about the evils of "socialism", they don't seem to understand how capitalism works either.
For how much Republicans love to shout about the evils of "socialism", they don't seem to understand how capitalism works either.
cytg111
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Yea, cause if you were fucked up with an open gun shot wound to the head that is how you would think ... I get it.
If you could lift your fucking IQ one point and tell me, would it matter if you paid 99% tax if you still had the same purchasing power that you have right now? For your class segment, how well are you off now compared to 20 years ago, 50, 100? Why do you think that is? Cause the King stuffed all the silvers in his coffers and never invested in infrastructure and education? (like Drumph is doing..)
And how many hours do I need to work to help out those less fortunate than me... OR how many more hours must I work so Trump can the next big one on Iran?
Fuck it right? MORE, BIGGER BOMBS AND FUCK THE LESS FORTUNATE ... #MAGA
Idiots.
Or just shot in the head.
Vic
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Assuming this is a serious post, yes, there is a huge difference. Property taxes are what pays for many of the public services that are essential in providing value to the private ownership of land. Like for the county recorders office where the owners deed to that land is safely kept should others try to make a claim to it, for the law enforcement in case others might try to seize the land by force, and for the road that provides the land with egress to the outside. And also for the public schools that allow for your neighbor's children to gain the basic skills to be able to find gainful employment later in life, and thus be less likely to resort to stealing your property.
Without these things, the owner's land would be greatly diminished in value, likely by far more than the amount of the taxation, as we see in areas where the above public services are inadequate. There is no such thing a free lunch.
cytg111
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Uuuuuuuuuuuuuh duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Heres an interesting article
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/income-share-agreements-student-debt-111904922.html
"How a new financing model could fix America’s broken student loan system"
Blackjack200
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I honestly think this is the way to do it:
1. US Government repays all outstanding student debt.
2. US Government no longer guarantees student debt.
3. Student debt can be discharged in bankruptcy just like consumer debt with no recourse to the lender.
4. State schools and community colleges are recapitalized by the federal government and the states. State schools are low cost (~5k/year tuition) with admissions standards. Community colleges are free with no admissions standards. Completion of an associates degree at the community college guarantees acceptance at the state school.
It's interesting that so many people want Conservatives to come up with solutions to things plaguing the current economic system...
Conservatives like the current system, and they fight to protect it. The only modifications Conservatives seem to make occur when there is a huge crisis or when they figure out how to personally or politically take advantage of the system. So no one should be shocked that Conservatives don't have any proposals or solutions to something that they don't see as a problem.
Can you work hard in this country and make a living? Own a house? Have a family? Buy the things you need? The answer is yes. The system currently supports those that are willing to work hard and smart. Those people can flourish in this economy. I don't have an awful lot of pity for those who aren't willing to work for a better life.
On the other hand I fully realize that business in this country is so incredibly good at selling to people and in many cases taking advantage of people. I bet everyone here has been swindled or taken advantage of in some monetary transaction.
A free market is a dangerous one and that's why I try to be open minded about plans like the one Jaskalas outlined earlier in this thread. He has some really awesome ideas to protect people from the sharks that surface in capitalist societies.
But so many of you see the problems in this system and simply blame conservatives instead of proposing solutions. Please keep in mind that conservatives like the current system so it's more a question of whether or not you can convince them it's worth changing...
Conservatives like the current system, and they fight to protect it. The only modifications Conservatives seem to make occur when there is a huge crisis or when they figure out how to personally or politically take advantage of the system. So no one should be shocked that Conservatives don't have any proposals or solutions to something that they don't see as a problem.
Can you work hard in this country and make a living? Own a house? Have a family? Buy the things you need? The answer is yes. The system currently supports those that are willing to work hard and smart. Those people can flourish in this economy. I don't have an awful lot of pity for those who aren't willing to work for a better life.
On the other hand I fully realize that business in this country is so incredibly good at selling to people and in many cases taking advantage of people. I bet everyone here has been swindled or taken advantage of in some monetary transaction.
A free market is a dangerous one and that's why I try to be open minded about plans like the one Jaskalas outlined earlier in this thread. He has some really awesome ideas to protect people from the sharks that surface in capitalist societies.
But so many of you see the problems in this system and simply blame conservatives instead of proposing solutions. Please keep in mind that conservatives like the current system so it's more a question of whether or not you can convince them it's worth changing...
That's bullshit. A vote for Trump was a vote protesting the system. That's beyond obvious.
Lol... Maybe in other areas? But economically what did the conservatives do? Back to tax cuts, back to trickle down.
hal2kilo
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Amused
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Allow me to spell this out for you:
Because. They. Are. Not. Advocating. For. Socialism.
Just a few social policies. You know. The fucking ones the Nordic countries have.
But keep beating the ever loving fucking shit out of that socialist strawman. It's working for the base.
Allow me to spell this out for you:
Because. They. Are. Not. Advocating. For. Socialism.
Just a few social policies. You know. The fucking ones the Nordic countries have.
But keep beating the ever loving fucking shit out of that socialist strawman. It's working for the base.
This is basically how it goes, every time.
Amused
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This is basically how it goes, every time.
Or this:
The ever loving fucking irony of it all is THIS comic is what he was responding to.
Maybe the correct and proper term would Social Democracy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Please inform me if I wrong but my understand is that is half Socialist with Capitalist elements and has a well regulated Free Market?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Please inform me if I wrong but my understand is that is half Socialist with Capitalist elements and has a well regulated Free Market?
jackstar7
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My kids are going to inherit my GPA, too.
thraashman
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If GPA were comparable to money in this fashion, then GPA under the current economic system the US has would allow those with the highest GPAs to plunder the grades of lower GPA students to add to their own to create a GPA so high it's use is literally implausible. Those highest GPA students would then tell the C students that the D and F students are the real reason the C students grades are suffering. Meanwhile those A students would be getting the easiest tests to earn A's and A+s and A+++++s, and the C, D, and F students would get harder and harder tests and sometimes no tests at all that still counted against their grade.
Socialism would say I have a C in the class maybe I didn't put the effort in, maybe I was suffering depression and missed class, or maybe I just didn't pick up the material as quickly as others. Then you have an A in the class, perhaps you put in great effort, perhaps you guessed lucky on every test so far, perhaps the teacher just likes you. Now we take the same test, we get the same questions right and wrong, we get the same grade on that test. No matter where we stood before. The current system says that in that same scenario, you get an A on that test because you already have an A in the class and it would bring down the class avereage, even though you actually skipped the test. In essence you're "too good to fail" this test. While I get a D on the test because I was already doing poorly, even though I didn't miss a single question, because you with your A convinced enough other students I cheated because I was doing poorly before. And then those other students all chanted "make this class great again" and committed violent acts against the student that transferred into the class 3 weeks after it began.
Socialism would say I have a C in the class maybe I didn't put the effort in, maybe I was suffering depression and missed class, or maybe I just didn't pick up the material as quickly as others. Then you have an A in the class, perhaps you put in great effort, perhaps you guessed lucky on every test so far, perhaps the teacher just likes you. Now we take the same test, we get the same questions right and wrong, we get the same grade on that test. No matter where we stood before. The current system says that in that same scenario, you get an A on that test because you already have an A in the class and it would bring down the class avereage, even though you actually skipped the test. In essence you're "too good to fail" this test. While I get a D on the test because I was already doing poorly, even though I didn't miss a single question, because you with your A convinced enough other students I cheated because I was doing poorly before. And then those other students all chanted "make this class great again" and committed violent acts against the student that transferred into the class 3 weeks after it began.
FelixDeCat
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Repost.
Bernie Sanders is a psychopathic nutjob with ZERO chance of winning even a job as dogcatcher. Nobody is for bernie.
Also Nordic countries arent $21.5 trillion in debt and getting deeper by the the second like we are. They also pay huge income tax, we dont pay that kind of tax for dumbassed socialist programs and we wont volunteer for that shit either.
Socialism is wrong.
Its wrong for nordic countries, its wrong for capitalist loving Americans and its wrong for everyone on Earth.
Nothing is free for anyone. Nothing.
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Poor Felix his sensitive eyes have trouble being shown the facts. The rest is just mindless ranting.
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