In my school, free speech is only allowed on assigned free speech zones only, the rest of campus is off-limit.
In my school, free speech is only allowed on assigned free speech zones only, the rest of campus is off-limit.
Originally posted by: gopunk
I did REPLY to the person who I was TALKING to. You can READ it in my POST that you QUOTED.
GFY
you're missing the point, i was talking about the quote button... it is between the "reply" and the "top" button at the lower right hand corner of every post.
Right. And I used it. I guess I'm the idiot in mistakingly typing "REPLY" instead of "QUOTE". Here, gopunk, let me rephrase it since you can't possibly seem to understand what in the hell I'm talking about.
"I did QUOTE the person who I Was TALKING to. You can READ it in my POST that you QUOTED.
Better?
Sure there would have. Just as soon as these same "Bible Club" litigants would have gotten wind of it.
So you're calling Gregg's optinion that he would stand up for everyone's group equally, bullsh|t? Or what exactly are you calling bullsh|t? I've known Gregg personally for a number of years and have quickly learned that his word goes unbroken. And he is a just, noble, and upright man. He's often given me councel on things that I had no idea which way to go on, and his wisdom usually fixes everything.
So when he says that he would stand up for both sides equally, he will. Period.Regardless of how tolerant you think a situation may or may not be, there is a set level to which the situation must be tolerant. Whether people are going to be stupid or own up is another issue.
regardless of whether or not you're an idiot, it should fall under free speech, no? could students hand out candy in the shape of swear words and little pamplets talking about the virtues of swearing? i mean, you have to be consistent, if you're going to argue free speech for one group, you have to let it be for all others. church of scientology should be able to hand out information at schools... all those little whackjob cults...
Right. And I used it. I guess I'm the idiot in mistakingly typing "REPLY" instead of "QUOTE". Here, gopunk, let me rephrase it since you can't possibly seem to understand what in the hell I'm talking about.
"I did QUOTE the person who I Was TALKING to. You can READ it in my POST that you QUOTED.
Better?
ok, well lets see if you can find this magical quote in the following words:
so... where is this quote?
I wouldn't have a problem with the candy or pamphlets, no. But there is a time and a place for things, and breaking the formality of class shouldn't be tolerated. It would be the same if someone came in and started blaring about religion. Sit the fvck down and wait your turn.
The courts have allowed school officials to bar some activities for a number of reasons, including the fact that it may simply be disruptive to the school environment. The principal said no, and the students went ahead, anyway. They were wrong.
Originally posted by: gopunk
Right. And I used it. I guess I'm the idiot in mistakingly typing "REPLY" instead of "QUOTE". Here, gopunk, let me rephrase it since you can't possibly seem to understand what in the hell I'm talking about.
"I did QUOTE the person who I Was TALKING to. You can READ it in my POST that you QUOTED.
Better?
ok, well lets see if you can find this magical quote in the following words:
so... where is this quote?
Look again.
For YOU, I have changed it. But I could have sworn I quoted...
Oh well. Egg on my face. Big deal. This only says that you cannot carry argued information from one post to another since I posted RIGHT BELOW him.
I understand "Marketing". I'm simply illustrating the difference between "Corporate Citizen" Behavior and "Private Citizen" Behavior. I am illustrating how the "push" advertising they do is detrimental,IMO, to their position as a citizen. Your mom would bring refreshments out of concern for the well being of the whole. Pepsi and Coke do it out of concern for their bottom line.Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
They never will just give it away. If they do, it will be hugely publicised. It's called "marketing" for a good reason.
I propose their bottom line would be better served by paying more attention to the health and well being of the whole.
I sure as hell would be more inclined to BUY their product if they were supporting ,in strictly NON quid pro quo type arrangements, the schools they are now tapping for the enhancement of their bottom line.
AC's right. The only thing those companies have in mind is profit. And if they can buy a school (like has been done here many times), then so be it. By buying a school I mean soliciting the school with free/cheap products to sell to kids for the school's and the company's profit in return for disallowing other products. Pepsi and Coke have had wars in the past at a local highschool and some years the school has agreed to whatever company was winning to remove all products for sale from the other company to kiss up and get more money. It's disgusting. It's a SCHOOL fer cryin' out loud, aye!
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: gopunk
Right. And I used it. I guess I'm the idiot in mistakingly typing "REPLY" instead of "QUOTE". Here, gopunk, let me rephrase it since you can't possibly seem to understand what in the hell I'm talking about.
"I did QUOTE the person who I Was TALKING to. You can READ it in my POST that you QUOTED.
Better?
ok, well lets see if you can find this magical quote in the following words:
so... where is this quote?
Look again.
For YOU, I have changed it. But I could have sworn I quoted...
Oh well. Egg on my face. Big deal. This only says that you cannot carry argued information from one post to another since I posted RIGHT BELOW him.
actually, i just look for your posts... i don't really read the others
and btw, there was a post in between yours and his
what the !!
SONOFA!!!!
/me walks away mumbling
Damn. Oh well. So I'll buy ya a drink to make up for my bashing if I ever go to Tennesee.
SONOFA!!!!
/me walks away mumbling
Damn. Oh well. So I'll buy ya a drink to make up for my bashing if I ever go to Tennesee.
If I'm understanding that question correctly...
Middle Eastern countries ruled by Islamic Law are perfect modern day examples of governments ruled by religion.
On a more on topic note I think the lawsuit is moronic, and, on top of it all, the kids' message 'bout the history/meaning of the candy cane is flat wrong. It's "J" for Jesus...even though when it's right-side-up the J is upside down...
Lethal
I wouldn't have a problem with the candy or pamphlets, no. But there is a time and a place for things, and breaking the formality of class shouldn't be tolerated. It would be the same if someone came in and started blaring about religion. Sit the fvck down and wait your turn.
what about if they were handing out candy reefers and syringes and extolling the virtues of doing drugs? what about if they were handing out little candy swastikas and talking about how white people are superior?
and why does the formality of the class allow for breach of the constitution?
Lethal, I'm not even going to quote ya cuz I don't wanna look for wherever you messed up and removed the close tag for italics.
But I would be interested in seeing how those governments actually worked instead of simply believing that they're run by religion. Is it the religion running the government? Or the government running a few things a few ways to keep the majority happy and under control?
But I would be interested in seeing how those governments actually worked instead of simply believing that they're run by religion. Is it the religion running the government? Or the government running a few things a few ways to keep the majority happy and under control?
Originally posted by: gopunk
I wouldn't have a problem with the candy or pamphlets, no. But there is a time and a place for things, and breaking the formality of class shouldn't be tolerated. It would be the same if someone came in and started blaring about religion. Sit the fvck down and wait your turn.
what about if they were handing out candy reefers and syringes and extolling the virtues of doing drugs? what about if they were handing out little candy swastikas and talking about how white people are superior?
and why does the formality of the class allow for breach of the constitution?
Now, see, drugs are against the law. Vulgarity isn't. Let them pass it out. Then arrest them! About the schwasticas, it's a tought that they're promoting. Let them pass it out. Then watch them get beat down by the other kids
drugs are against the law, but little candy replicas aren't, and neither is talking about them. or what if they handed out little pamplets extolling the virtues of suicide?
Actually,I'm relieved to hear you, speak up in defense of your friend's character. I was making a generalized "BS" response to the notion that their would be tolerance, in general, of any other religion's rights.Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So you're calling Gregg's optinion that he would stand up for everyone's group equally, bullsh|t? Or what exactly are you calling bullsh|t? I've known Gregg personally for a number of years and have quickly learned that his word goes unbroken. And he is a just, noble, and upright man. He's often given me councel on things that I had no idea which way to go on, and his wisdom usually fixes everything.
Regardless of how tolerant you think a situation may or may not be, there is a set level to which the situation must be tolerant. Whether people are going to be stupid or own up is another issue.
I am glad that there are people of character who would engender that sort of support on an Internet Forum.
Where that level of "must be tolerant" kicks in, is exactly what we are debating here.
BTW... What do you mean by "fundies"?
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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: ViRGE
That's the thing, it shouldn't be. What's being done is legally correct; where it stands ethically/morally/etc is entirely different.
Which is ... well, incorrect. The law needs to see that things are equal in this regard. Otherwise, someone else should pick a better arguement against religion.
I'm not trying to argue against religion though. I'm arguing against using the manditory schooling laws as a way to ensnare recipients for a message; commercial, religion, or otherwise. Currently, this is legal, and I believe it shouldn't be.
i completely agree. nothing i hate more than people handout pamplets of any kind... acting all creepy friendly so that you'll join their crackpot organization. yuck.
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So you're calling Gregg's optinion that he would stand up for everyone's group equally, bullsh|t? Or what exactly are you calling bullsh|t? I've known Gregg personally for a number of years and have quickly learned that his word goes unbroken. And he is a just, noble, and upright man. He's often given me councel on things that I had no idea which way to go on, and his wisdom usually fixes everything.
Regardless of how tolerant you think a situation may or may not be, there is a set level to which the situation must be tolerant. Whether people are going to be stupid or own up is another issue.
Actually,I'm relieved to hear you, speak up in defense of your friend's character. I was making a generalized "BS" response to the notion that their would be tolerance, in general, of any other religion's rights.
I am glad that there are people of character who would engender that sort of support on an Internet Forum.
Where that level of "must be tolerant" kicks in, is exactly what we are debating here.
BTW... What do you mean by "fundies"?
Many call Christians "fundies" short for Fundamentalist (including Christian extremists). Most of those aren't liked for various reasons.
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