Students sue over suspension for handing out religious messages

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
they asked the principal, he said no, they did it anyway and got suspended. They violated school rules, they deserved the suspension.

The Principle, by law, doesn't have the right to say no when it comes to religion. He broke the law. When I was going to public school, some of the students were out that day and, if we wanted to talk about religion, the teacher wasn't allowed to say no. She could not bring up the subject, but she could participate if the students wanted to talk about it. We took a good portion of the day talking about it. It was cool to see what other kids thought and just how curious they were to learn about this great bohemoth that keeps getting swept under the rug.

After that, we went about our business and it was over. Our principle couldn't say jack crap about it.

 

[ViRGE]

The issue I see with this is the so-called "captive audience" situation. Law says students have to go to school, so you're sure to find a large number of bodies in such school. Channel 1, Pepsi, and other advertisers already use the situation to peddle their wares, to great irking of parents and students alike. A case where someone is peddling religion would seem to be a similar abuse of the situation then. These students only spend about 6 hours a day in school; the other 18 they are out. Can't they at least be "left alone" for those 6 hours to actually get some schoolwork done?

 

[AlienCraft]

So if a group of Islamic/ Hindu/ Buddhist students wish to form a club, and distribute their message , you won't have any problem with that then, right?? I doubt the school would even LET them based on their fears of abusive/hateful behavior by these same "Christians" or their supporters.
Falwell is an A$$ < Emphasis on the DOLLAR $IGN$ !!! He's the white Al Sharpton.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

So if a group of Islamic/ Hindu/ Buddhist students wish to form a club, and distribute their message , you won't have any problem with that then, right?? I doubt the school would even LET them based on their fears of abusive/hateful behavior by these same "Christians" or their supporters.
Falwell is an A$$ < Emphasis on the DOLLAR $IGN$ !!! He's the white Al Sharpton

So, if the law allows representation to a captive audience, like Pepsi, Coke, and other products, why would religion be any different?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
So if a group of Islamic/ Hindu/ Buddhist students wish to form a club, and distribute their message , you won't have any problem with that then, right?? I doubt the school would even LET them based on their fears of abusive/hateful behavior by these same "Christians" or their supporters.
Falwell is an A$$ < Emphasis on the DOLLAR $IGN$ !!! He's the white Al Sharpton.

Uh... Yes, Viper GTS said he would. What part didn't you understand? The "Y" or the "es"? If the school was religiously discriminatory, what legal problems do you think that would lead to?

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So, if the law allows representation to a captive audience, like Pepsi, Coke, and other products, why would religion be any different?

i dunno, you tell me why religion is different from a soft drink.

 

[gopunk]

I would support the same rights for any religion, and even for gay/lesbian interests - As long as it is applied equally.

are you telling me that if the rainbow coalition started handing out pamplets and comic books telling your kid that being gay was the right thing to do, with phrases like "being gay saves you"?

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So, if the law allows representation to a captive audience, like Pepsi, Coke, and other products, why would religion be any different?

That's the thing, it shouldn't be. What's being done is legally correct; where it stands ethically/morally/etc is entirely different.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So, if the law allows representation to a captive audience, like Pepsi, Coke, and other products, why would religion be any different?

i dunno, you tell me why religion is different from a soft drink.

He was making the point about a captive audience, not the differences between a religion and an object.

If "captive audience" is your problem (besides reading comprehension), then kick out both religion and commercialism. If not, let them both stay (when it comes to captive audience)


get it this time?

Captive Audience?

Understand?

Comprende?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

I would support the same rights for any religion, and even for gay/lesbian interests - As long as it is applied equally.

are you telling me that if the rainbow coalition started handing out pamplets and comic books telling your kid that being gay was the right thing to do and that they were evil for not being gay, you wouldn't raise a fuss? i think i would.

Well you and he are quite different. Read his last paragraph. You would be one of the guys losing.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So, if the law allows representation to a captive audience, like Pepsi, Coke, and other products, why would religion be any different?

That's the thing, it shouldn't be. What's being done is legally correct; where it stands ethically/morally/etc is entirely different.

Which is ... well, incorrect. The law needs to see that things are equal in this regard. Otherwise, someone else should pick a better arguement against religion.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

I would support the same rights for any religion, and even for gay/lesbian interests - As long as it is applied equally.

are you telling me that if the rainbow coalition started handing out pamplets and comic books telling your kid that being gay was the right thing to do and that they were evil for not being gay, you wouldn't raise a fuss? i think i would.

Well you and he are quite different. Read his last paragraph. You would be one of the guys losing.

schools have long been exempt from "free speech". you can't cuss in schools either, in case you haven't noticed.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So, if the law allows representation to a captive audience, like Pepsi, Coke, and other products, why would religion be any different?

i dunno, you tell me why religion is different from a soft drink.

He was making the point about a captive audience, not the differences between a religion and an object.

If "captive audience" is your problem (besides reading comprehension), then kick out both religion and commercialism. If not, let them both stay (when it comes to captive audience)


get it this time?

Captive Audience?

Understand?

Comprende?

maybe you should have quoted it then, genius.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So, if the law allows representation to a captive audience, like Pepsi, Coke, and other products, why would religion be any different?

Well , it certainly illustrates the "Corporate Welfare" embedded in our system. As if corporations should have a right to self expression above and beyond what their advertising budgets allows. I certainly don't get any special treatment.
Using the First Amendment to allow the peddling of flavored sugar water, in spite of all the ill effects we already acknowldege, is damn near criminal, IMHO. I don't care if they have push carts on the sidewalks OFF CAMPUS, but I'll be damned if I want my schools being subsidized by a bunch of snake oil salesmen. The day that Coke and Pepsi GIVE AWAY water/ Juice/soda to schools for their events, with no strings attached, like an actual "Good Citizen" might, is the day I start listening to anything that comes from their talking heads.
Water rulz... Soda sux....

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

I would support the same rights for any religion, and even for gay/lesbian interests - As long as it is applied equally.

are you telling me that if the rainbow coalition started handing out pamplets and comic books telling your kid that being gay was the right thing to do and that they were evil for not being gay, you wouldn't raise a fuss? i think i would.

Well you and he are quite different. Read his last paragraph. You would be one of the guys losing.

schools have long been exempt from "free speech". you can't cuss in schools either, in case you haven't noticed.

And you can't swear to an officer, either, if he doesn't like. You can't flip him off, either. My buddy's sister, Hannah, got a ticket from a cop for flipping him off. She was cruising along and saw a cop pull someone over ahead of her with a broken tail light. She cruised by and flipped him off. He got back in his car, chased her down, and gave her a ticket. I can't remember what the ticket was for exactly, but it was something like disrespecting authority or some crap like that.

She went to court and was convicted.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobaltblah blah blah

maybe you should have quoted it then, genius.

Okay. Next time I post, I'll put keywords in big bold print. How's that? Good. Now, have you had your orange juice, recess, and nap yet?

 

[gopunk]

And you can't swear to an officer, either, if he doesn't like. You can't flip him off, either. My buddy's sister, Hannah, got a ticket from a cop for flipping him off. She was cruising along and saw a cop pull someone over ahead of her with a broken tail light. She cruised by and flipped him off. He got back in his car, chased her down, and gave her a ticket. I can't remember what the ticket was for exactly, but it was something like disrespecting authority or some crap like that.

She went to court and was convicted.

maybe she should sue the county (or city, whatever)

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So, if the law allows representation to a captive audience, like Pepsi, Coke, and other products, why would religion be any different?

Well , it certainly illustrates the "Corporate Welfare" embedded in our system. As if corporations should have a right to self expression above and beyond what their advertising budgets allows. I certainly don't get any special treatment.
Using the First Amendment to allow the peddling of flavored sugar water, in spite of all the ill effects we already acknowldege, is damn near criminal, IMHO. I don't care if they have push carts on the sidewalks OFF CAMPUS, but I'll be damned if I want my schools being subsidized by a bunch of snake oil salesmen. The day that Coke and Pepsi GIVE AWAY water/ Juice/soda to schools for their events, with no strings attached, like an actual "Good Citizen" might, is the day I start listening to anything that comes from their talking heads.
Water rulz... Soda sux....

They never will just give it away. If they do, it will be hugely publicised. It's called "marketing" for a good reason.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobaltblah blah blah

maybe you should have quoted it then, genius.

Okay. Next time I post, I'll put keywords in big bold print. How's that? Good. Now, have you had your orange juice, recess, and nap yet?

look, we have a quote button for a reason, so people can see that you're replying to another post. if you exclude the other post, how am i supposed to know that you're replying to something and not just making up your own post?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

And you can't swear to an officer, either, if he doesn't like. You can't flip him off, either. My buddy's sister, Hannah, got a ticket from a cop for flipping him off. She was cruising along and saw a cop pull someone over ahead of her with a broken tail light. She cruised by and flipped him off. He got back in his car, chased her down, and gave her a ticket. I can't remember what the ticket was for exactly, but it was something like disrespecting authority or some crap like that.

She went to court and was convicted.

maybe she should sue the county (or city, whatever)

My point is showing corruption in the law and that the law may say something and follow through with it when it shouldn't have been touched to begin with.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobaltblah blah blah

maybe you should have quoted it then, genius.

Okay. Next time I post, I'll put keywords in big bold print. How's that? Good. Now, have you had your orange juice, recess, and nap yet?

look, we have a quote button for a reason, so people can see that you're replying to another post. if you exclude the other post, how am i supposed to know that you're replying to something and not just making up your own post?

I did REPLY to the person who I was TALKING to. You can READ it in my POST that you QUOTED.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

And you can't swear to an officer, either, if he doesn't like. You can't flip him off, either. My buddy's sister, Hannah, got a ticket from a cop for flipping him off. She was cruising along and saw a cop pull someone over ahead of her with a broken tail light. She cruised by and flipped him off. He got back in his car, chased her down, and gave her a ticket. I can't remember what the ticket was for exactly, but it was something like disrespecting authority or some crap like that.

She went to court and was convicted.

maybe she should sue the county (or city, whatever)

My point is showing corruption in the law and that the law may say something and follow through with it when it shouldn't have been touched to begin with.

so i suppose that you believe kids should be allowed to cuss in schools then?

 

[gopunk]

I did REPLY to the person who I was TALKING to. You can READ it in my POST that you QUOTED.

GFY

you're missing the point, i was talking about the quote button... it is between the "reply" and the "top" button at the lower right hand corner of every post.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

And you can't swear to an officer, either, if he doesn't like. You can't flip him off, either. My buddy's sister, Hannah, got a ticket from a cop for flipping him off. She was cruising along and saw a cop pull someone over ahead of her with a broken tail light. She cruised by and flipped him off. He got back in his car, chased her down, and gave her a ticket. I can't remember what the ticket was for exactly, but it was something like disrespecting authority or some crap like that.

She went to court and was convicted.

maybe she should sue the county (or city, whatever)

My point is showing corruption in the law and that the law may say something and follow through with it when it shouldn't have been touched to begin with.

so i suppose that you believe kids should be allowed to cuss in schools then?

In certain situations, vulgarity should not be allowed. In other situations, vulgarity shouldn't be punished. If you stand up in front of the class to present a project or paper and you start off with "wussup mothafukas!!!!" you're an idiot. It should already be understood that presenting vulgarity in such situations would promote restrictions and negative consequences. But if someone's walking down the hall and they're talking about how they got in a damn accident this morning and the dumbass who hit him fvcking drove off without swapping insurance cards, I don't see the problem with it.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
So if a group of Islamic/ Hindu/ Buddhist students wish to form a club, and distribute their message , you won't have any problem with that then, right?? I doubt the school would even LET them based on their fears of abusive/hateful behavior by these same "Christians" or their supporters.
Falwell is an A$$ < Emphasis on the DOLLAR $IGN$ !!! He's the white Al Sharpton.

Uh... Yes, Viper GTS said he would. What part didn't you understand? The "Y" or the "es"? If the school was religiously discriminatory, what legal problems do you think that would lead to?

I say BS. The atmosphere in this country simply is not as tolerant as you would wish. I'm talking about reality, not a "rhetorical situation" I understood perfectly what was said I'm asking if his words would equal his actions. It's called questioning more closely. In my experience, I have found people will say one thing in a public forum in order to gain acceptance and will then act a completely different way when actually faced with the situation outside of the scrutiny of that forum.
I think that if the school were to discriminate against the groups I mentioned, there would be less of a furor because the US is fundamentally Judeo-Christian in it's essence. Other religions are still suffering injustices, Islamic NATIVE BORN citizens are experiencing real acts of hatred by ignorant "christian soldiers"<note lower case. This country has a long way to go towards RACIAL tolerance, much less RELIGIOUS acceptance.