Student on Rampage Guns Down 8 in Minn.

[JavaMomma]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well to throw fire on you fartnockers, it looks like it was his grandfather's police issued firearms. Drove his police cruiser up to the school.

Yeah I read that earlier.

to the victims and their families.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

So you're a teacher who wants to be able to carry a gun to school???

I'd really want you teaching my kids. :roll:

And who is proposing removing all guns from the planet? Gun control isn't a total ban on guns. There are controls on alcohol, cigarettes, prescription medications, etc. None are as dangerous as firearms yet everyone recognizes the necessity to control their use because they are inherently dangerous yet you want guns to be as readily available as groceries.

Insanity.

There are plenty of controls on guns. WTF are you talking about?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

You're right. I should have stated...

"Damn dude. If you feel like you need a gun in that school, get out."

So you're right, I should make a valid and rational statement. How's this...

You're a dick.

Go argue with someone who wishes to argue with you. I was merely shocked that a school teacher feels the need to pack. You can understand that, right?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

You're right. I should have stated...

"Damn dude. If you feel like you need a gun in that school, get out."

So you're right, I should make a valid and rational statement. How's this...

You're a dick.

Go argue with someone who wishes to argue with you. I was merely shocked that a school teacher feels the need to pack. You can understand that, right?

AHHHH, now I understand. I apologize, I completely took your statement the wrong way. It was likely entirely my own fault and I am truly sorry I jumped down your throat. I regret that the argument I saw in your words is so prevalent in our society that I immediately assume the worst. 8-(

As for the actual intent of your statement, I don't imagine I'll be in a very bad school at all, but that isn't relavent. These shootings are taking place in small town quiet palces, not just inner cities. They can happen anywhere, anytime, and that's why I want to be allowed to carry. As a teacher you (or parents in general) are trusting me with their children. As I see it if something does occur at my school I'm likely all that will stand between these children and certain death at the hands of a deranged lunatic. I'd much rather be equipped to handle such responsibility.

The current state of civil unrest within America is increasing, and is likely to continue increasing. This will have drastic negative impact on crime, including tragedies like this one. Now is the time to prepare for the worst while we attempt to change for the better.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

You're right. I should have stated...

"Damn dude. If you feel like you need a gun in that school, get out."

So you're right, I should make a valid and rational statement. How's this...

You're a dick.

Go argue with someone who wishes to argue with you. I was merely shocked that a school teacher feels the need to pack. You can understand that, right?

AHHHH, now I understand. I apologize, I completely took your statement the wrong way. It was likely entirely my own fault and I am truly sorry I jumped down your throat. I regret that the argument I saw in your words is so prevalent in our society that I immediately assume the worst. 8-(

As for the actual intent of your statement, I don't imagine I'll be in a very bad school at all, but that isn't relavent. These shootings are taking place in small town quiet palces, not just inner cities. They can happen anywhere, anytime, and that's why I want to be allowed to carry. As a teacher you (or parents in general) are trusting me with their children. As I see it if something does occur at my school I'm likely all that will stand between these children and certain death at the hands of a deranged lunatic. I'd much rather be equipped to handle such responsibility.

The current state of civil unrest within America is increasing, and is likely to continue increasing. This will have drastic negative impact on crime, including tragedies like this one. Now is the time to prepare for the worst while we attempt to change for the better.

It's all good, dude. Time for bed.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

Wow. The only guns in a school should be those used by a Shooting Club. It's the God Damn 21st century, catch up!

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

Wow. The only guns in a school should be those used by a Shooting Club. It's the God Damn 21st century, catch up!

In what way is the current year relevant to the discussion?

You can't have shooting clubs at schools anymore, because absolutely no firearms are allowed except on the person of a security officer or law enforcement officer chartered to carry one on that facility.

While it would be nice if there were no guns on campus, there are. Kids like this one bring them, and murder our children. If the criminals can carry guns to school, why can't honest responsible people carry them to stop the criminals? That's my point.

 

[Hecubus2000]

Originally posted by: BBond
If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

Another school shooting.

[/quote]

That has to be the most ignorant question I have read all night. Please explain how gun control would have prevented this event. CNN report of the event.
What is it about law abiding citizens owning firearms that frightens liberals so much? I just don't get it. And before you Liberals get all emotional and upset, no I am not a Republican. I'm a little of both, Liberal on some things and Conservative on others.

 

[Leon]

If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

Why not knife control? Hell, let's ban all sharp objects...it makes the world safer, right?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BBond
If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

Another school shooting.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Blame the Finger

Not the Trigger

Without the trigger the kid would have had a hard time killing all those people with just his finger.

Not too long ago 19 men successfully murdered over 3000 people in the matter of two hours. They used zero guns.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

Wow. The only guns in a school should be those used by a Shooting Club. It's the God Damn 21st century, catch up!

In what way is the current year relevant to the discussion?

You can't have shooting clubs at schools anymore, because absolutely no firearms are allowed except on the person of a security officer or law enforcement officer chartered to carry one on that facility.

While it would be nice if there were no guns on campus, there are. Kids like this one bring them, and murder our children. If the criminals can carry guns to school, why can't honest responsible people carry them to stop the criminals? That's my point.

Wow, where do you teach? Hopefully far away from me. Teachers should definitely not be packing heat.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Leon

If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

Why not knife control? Hell, let's ban all sharp objects...it makes the world safer, right?

Knives can't expel searing metal at a rate of up to 30 rounds per second.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Wow, where do you teach? Hopefully far away from me. Teachers should definitely not be packing heat.

Please tell me why you wouldn't want a teacher with extensive training in firearms, and more specifically, handguns, who shoots regularly and also has a CCW permit, in a classroom?

Or are you one of those people that don't believe in CCW permits at all?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Leon

If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

Why not knife control? Hell, let's ban all sharp objects...it makes the world safer, right?

Knives can't expel searing metal at a rate of up to 30 rounds per second.

I know in my county, kids are not allowed to bring even plastic knives to school.

Someday, damnit, the will of the people will stand, with their heads high, and get rid of every fvcking gun in this country. The same way we did it with marijuana. 😎

 

[CADsortaGUY]

to the innocent lives lost...

CsG

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

Wow. The only guns in a school should be those used by a Shooting Club. It's the God Damn 21st century, catch up!

In what way is the current year relevant to the discussion?

You can't have shooting clubs at schools anymore, because absolutely no firearms are allowed except on the person of a security officer or law enforcement officer chartered to carry one on that facility.

While it would be nice if there were no guns on campus, there are. Kids like this one bring them, and murder our children. If the criminals can carry guns to school, why can't honest responsible people carry them to stop the criminals? That's my point.

Wow, where do you teach? Hopefully far away from me. Teachers should definitely not be packing heat.

How about you attempt to make a rational argument instead of pointless emotional outburst intended to defame and/or insult.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

Wow. The only guns in a school should be those used by a Shooting Club. It's the God Damn 21st century, catch up!

In what way is the current year relevant to the discussion?

You can't have shooting clubs at schools anymore, because absolutely no firearms are allowed except on the person of a security officer or law enforcement officer chartered to carry one on that facility.

While it would be nice if there were no guns on campus, there are. Kids like this one bring them, and murder our children. If the criminals can carry guns to school, why can't honest responsible people carry them to stop the criminals? That's my point.

The year is very relevant.

If there are no Shooting Clubs, then there should be no guns. There's something wrong when others have learned to live without Guns everywhere and are benfitting from that decision while some continue to permeate Society with Guns and are rewarded with the need for even more guns. It doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Leon

If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

Why not knife control? Hell, let's ban all sharp objects...it makes the world safer, right?

Knives can't expel searing metal at a rate of up to 30 rounds per second.

No, but common household products available at any grocery store can create explosive or chemical weapons capable of killing/injuring hundreds if not thousands for a minimal investment.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Wow, where do you teach? Hopefully far away from me. Teachers should definitely not be packing heat.

Please tell me why you wouldn't want a teacher with extensive training in firearms, and more specifically, handguns, who shoots regularly and also has a CCW permit, in a classroom?

Or are you one of those people that don't believe in CCW permits at all?

He can't, because there is no good rational argument for his statement. It's an emotional response born of ignorance and completely indefensible except with dedicated focus on self-interest and stupidity.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Wow, where do you teach? Hopefully far away from me. Teachers should definitely not be packing heat.

Please tell me why you wouldn't want a teacher with extensive training in firearms, and more specifically, handguns, who shoots regularly and also has a CCW permit, in a classroom?

Or are you one of those people that don't believe in CCW permits at all?

What's next, Teachers with Special Forces Training? Ability to kill someone with their barehands in 101 different ways? Why a Handgun, a grenade works better.

Instead of making a Society that's trained to Kill at the drop of a hat, why not attempt to make a Society where people act Civilized? Time for a rethink.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Wow, where do you teach? Hopefully far away from me. Teachers should definitely not be packing heat.

Please tell me why you wouldn't want a teacher with extensive training in firearms, and more specifically, handguns, who shoots regularly and also has a CCW permit, in a classroom?

Or are you one of those people that don't believe in CCW permits at all?

What's next, Teachers with Special Forces Training? Ability to kill someone with their barehands in 101 different ways? Why a Handgun, a grenade works better.

Instead of making a Society that's trained to Kill at the drop of a hat, why not attempt to make a Society where people act Civilized? Time for a rethink.

I'm not saying go ahead and train all the teachers with handguns, let alone saying special forces training. And your grendade comment says all I needed to know.

He was taking a shot at PrinceOfWands, who is a teacher, and just so happens to be properly and thoroughly trained with firearms.

If a teacher is properly trained and meets the requirements associated with a CCW, why not let them carry? If I was a parent and I knew the teacher of my kids was certified and carrying, I know I'd feel a bit safer.

Tell me how taking the guns out of the hands of lawful citizens is going to do anything for the people that disrespect society and illegally acquire and use weapons.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
What this is is 100% proof positive that gun control is absolutely useless as a tool against crime and/or accidents. You could have 25,000 laws against every aspect of what happened there (hell there are almost that many now) which add up to 40,000,000 years in federal pyitap and a gazillion dollar fine, and it will still happen, every time. Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

I can't tell you how terrified I am of having to go to school every day as a teacher and being left with no means to defend myself and my students because ignorant pvssies have chosen worthless gun control laws over the constitutional right to defend oneself and those within your charge. While I despise what happened I am hopeful that from it, somewhere parents start wanting their children protected at school and allow those of us who are capable and willing the opportunity to do just that.

Any anti-gun people out there, before you come off your rockers to freak out over this, I want to read in complete and total detail exactly how you propose to remove all guns from the planet earth, as well as all explosive materials. Don't walk by and give us your tired and ignorant 'guns are bad, mmmmkay' bs without offering a viable solution.

You'd go to school with a gun? :Q

Damn dude, get out of that school.

Not only do I have a constitutional right to protect myself, I believe as a teacher I have a moral obligation to protect the children given into my care for 1/3 of their day. I can not effectively do that against an armed attacker without my firearm.

Furthermore, you're an idiot. I say that with conviction because I don't hear you complaining about security or police on the campus with a gun, and I have equal or superior training (not to mention moral fiber) to any 'officer' you'd care to compare me to. IF you suggest there should be NO firearms at a school, then you must also restrict law enforcement/security. IF you suggest that only trained and qualified persons should be allowed to carry a weapon, then we are in agreement, and you are supporting my right to be armed.

Furthermore, I'd like to see any support you can offer to your statement, suggesting exactly how restricting firearm possession at school is in any way useful. Did it prevent Columbine, even though those kids possessed the weapons illegally? No. Did all the laws and fervor against firearm possession stop this kid? No. So explain to me HOW in the name of Zeus' BUTTHOLE laws against firearms on school grounds have ever or could ever make the least bit of difference to someone who is already facing life imprisonment, the death penalty, or planning to commit suicied anyway.

Eat sh!t, idiot. I made no statement other than to suggest you get out of that school.

Idiot.

You made inferences which are patently faulty. I will not allow ignorance to stand as monument. Make reasonable and rational statements, or keep your mouth shut.

I made no implications, idiot. You're seeing arguments where there are none. You should probably STFU now and turn off the computer.

Asshole.

Here's your message as a refresher:

You'd go to school with a gun?

Damn dude, get out of that school.

That pretty much is an inference that either guns don't belong in a school, or I shouldn't have a gun in school. My reply clearly addressed those inferences. Trying to argue that you didn't say anything that can be argued against is a simplistic defense form that attempts to diffuse responsibility for statements you made stemming from convictions you obviously hold. It is something I don't generally accept and therefore I called you on it.

Either you can make a valid and rational argument supporting your belief that guns or myself should not be in a school (thereby supporting your statement), or you can't (thereby showing your statement idiotic).

Wow. The only guns in a school should be those used by a Shooting Club. It's the God Damn 21st century, catch up!

In what way is the current year relevant to the discussion?

You can't have shooting clubs at schools anymore, because absolutely no firearms are allowed except on the person of a security officer or law enforcement officer chartered to carry one on that facility.

While it would be nice if there were no guns on campus, there are. Kids like this one bring them, and murder our children. If the criminals can carry guns to school, why can't honest responsible people carry them to stop the criminals? That's my point.

The year is very relevant.

If there are no Shooting Clubs, then there should be no guns. There's something wrong when others have learned to live without Guns everywhere and are benfitting from that decision while some continue to permeate Society with Guns and are rewarded with the need for even more guns. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Stating the year is relevant doesn't make it so. Make a rational argument and explain how the year is relevant.

Everywhere? Really? Only America has guns? That'll be quite a shock to people like the Swiss, where every man over age 20 is required to be ready for military service and over 500,000 of them have a military rifle in the home. Or Israel.

Many nations with more liberal gun ownership than the US have lower crime and accident levels than we do, indicating it isn't the weapons but the society that is the problem.

I ask you to stop dreaming about what would be neat, and start providing a plan of action. How can guns be gotten rid of, without threatening the safety and lives of innocent Americans? How can you keep guns away from criminals? Who are you to dictate when and where guns are and are not required? What are your qualifications to make such a statement? Where is your supporting evidence? If you don't want teachers armed to protect your children, then what is your brilliant plan of action to keep them safe? How will you reconcile your personal proclivities against the Constitution of the United States? These are the questions that it is upon you, and anyone who shares your view, to rationally address.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Wow, where do you teach? Hopefully far away from me. Teachers should definitely not be packing heat.

Please tell me why you wouldn't want a teacher with extensive training in firearms, and more specifically, handguns, who shoots regularly and also has a CCW permit, in a classroom?

Or are you one of those people that don't believe in CCW permits at all?

What's next, Teachers with Special Forces Training? Ability to kill someone with their barehands in 101 different ways? Why a Handgun, a grenade works better.

Instead of making a Society that's trained to Kill at the drop of a hat, why not attempt to make a Society where people act Civilized? Time for a rethink.

I aboslutely agree with you, which is why I became a teacher. But in the meantime, how do we protect these kids so they can grow up to make those changes? Don't just stomp you feet and tell me it should be so, explain how to make it happen. Give me a workable idea I can run with. If you are unwilling or unable to come up with a plan then I suggest you step aside and let me do the best I can in the meantime.

 

[Zebo]

Laws don't prevent crime. Never have, never will.

:roll:

I don't agree with gun control at all but you can't believe this can you? Laws are the only thing keeping me driving 65 instead of 100 etc etc etc.

As far as taking guns BBond, then we have no way to fight back against tyrannical police state the satists want. I feel a lot better knowing a couple dozen will pay if they come for me for unjust resons than a blank check to rail-road me ( jewish pun intended)