Gordonfreeman's post has some good points, but your view of the feminist viewpoint is flawed. First of all, let's assume feminists want to be safe. Let's see, do they want to live in a society where everyone can end another person's life with a squeeze of the trigger? Or do they want to live in a society where it takes more of an effort to kill someone? What makes someone safer? The second one. You guys assume that there is no alternative to not having your own gun. Like not having a gun is a death-sentence because nobody will protect you. Sure, there are certain situations where having a gun would pay off, but likewise if neither person had had a gun, it wouldn't have been a problem either. Another horrible assumption is that gun control would only hurt law-abiding citizens. Bull. A comprehensive act could rid the sources of guns and slowly take them out of society. Is gun-control the only solution to situations like this? Of course not. Apparently canada has a lot of gun rights but they don't have as many shootings. That doesn't mean that gun-control isn't a possible solution.
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Gordonfreeman's post has some good points, but your view of the feminist viewpoint is flawed. First of all, let's assume feminists want to be safe. Let's see, do they want to live in a society where everyone can end another person's life with a squeeze of the trigger? Or do they want to live in a society where it takes more of an effort to kill someone? What makes someone safer? The second one. You guys assume that there is no alternative to not having your own gun. Like not having a gun is a death-sentence because nobody will protect you. Sure, there are certain situations where having a gun would pay off, but likewise if neither person had had a gun, it wouldn't have been a problem either. Another horrible assumption is that gun control would only hurt law-abiding citizens. Bull. A comprehensive act could rid the sources of guns and slowly take them out of society. Is gun-control the only solution to situations like this? Of course not. Apparently canada has a lot of gun rights but they don't have as many shootings. That doesn't mean that gun-control isn't a possible solution.
Zebo
Elite Member
We have a lot more people in USA with nothing to loose than Canada. Here is where I think we need to work on not gun control. To many people in this country are at end of rope with no safty net to speak whether psycological help, drug help, job help, food, shelter, and other medical help. Course the republicans like to spend money on punitive measures which don't work does'nt help situation either.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
No no, you don't get that privilide until you're a senior citizen. 😉
gordanfreeman
Senior member
of course if you could find a way to impose strict gun laws/limitations and simultaniously find a way to limit/remove the illegal guns on the streets, the safest solution would be to remove all guns from society except a few that would be highly regulated and tracked so that only licensed owners can get ahold of them. this soltion is problematic for multiple reasons however:
1) you would probably need some sort of constitutional amendment or a crazy supreme court ruling to enact it
2) stopping the flow of illegally traded weapons within the country would probably be a lost cause or at least cost exponentially more than the benefits of the system would provide. unless you can completely (or damn near) stop illegal gun trade extreme gun control becomes pointless.
if someone can think of a way to implement such a system that avoids these two problems (and any others that are likely to crop up) please bring them forward but until then i think our resources are better spent on working on social programs to get these people out of the gutter, away from the end of the rope as zebo said. these are the people that pose the largest threat.
1) you would probably need some sort of constitutional amendment or a crazy supreme court ruling to enact it
2) stopping the flow of illegally traded weapons within the country would probably be a lost cause or at least cost exponentially more than the benefits of the system would provide. unless you can completely (or damn near) stop illegal gun trade extreme gun control becomes pointless.
if someone can think of a way to implement such a system that avoids these two problems (and any others that are likely to crop up) please bring them forward but until then i think our resources are better spent on working on social programs to get these people out of the gutter, away from the end of the rope as zebo said. these are the people that pose the largest threat.
Zebo
Elite Member
Banning does no good I can make everything I need for a gun and bullets with one of these in my garage.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=G3102
Business get good I could convert to CNC http://www.microkinetics.com/convkit.htm and go watch TV while I crank out full autos.😛
...sell them for a butt-load of cash on black market. Basically you try and ban guns and it will make prohibition look like a boy-scout jamberee.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=G3102
Business get good I could convert to CNC http://www.microkinetics.com/convkit.htm and go watch TV while I crank out full autos.😛
...sell them for a butt-load of cash on black market. Basically you try and ban guns and it will make prohibition look like a boy-scout jamberee.
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
God, no! If he takes time to learn to read, we'll be here all night!
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
Gun grabbers generally don't know or forget that this area was a gun runners paradise at an earlier time in our history. I think while the British ruled!
Finding the relevant laws is relatively easy, what I have been unable to do, and was hoping you would be able to do, is find actual case examples as suggested above. The ban on guns in schools ( why is that by the way? ) is problematic - how about a baby sitter shooting one of the children they are babysitting in self defence ? Or a bus driver shooting a student in self defense ? Surely this kind of thing has happened in the past ?
The NRA is basically trying to protect the 2nd amendment and to preserve our liberty. Americans possessing guns is a right and we should fight for that right. The NRA isn't the enemy, the NRA doesn't advocate violence against anyone. They are for responsible gun use and we should hold people accountable rather than blaming guns. Maybe these drugged up psychopathic teenagers don't belong in the classroom.
I agree on restrictions on guns, such as background checks and other measures. If you have a violent criminal history, you should not be allowed to own a gun. However, since most Americans don't have a criminal record, there is no need to punish them. I think everyone agrees on having some type of safe storage for the firearm you purchase. Guns should be kept where someone who doesn't need a gun should not be able to get it.
What do you mean if anyone uses a firearms illegally due to negligence? If a person accidently pulls a trigger and breaks a window, for example, should his taken be taken away? I don't think so. Maybe he should be given a warning or something to that effect, but thats not enough to take his gun away.
If people really put firearms in such a safe storage where accessing them is so difficult, what if they are urgently needed in a emergency and since they're inaccessible, causes the person to get robbed? These are all things to think about. The gun should be placed where it could is easily accessible yet children can't get a hold of it. If a person is responsible, what is wrong with him or her carrying it?
Yes, people should use more common sense in every thing they do. But generally, people are careful with their firearms. It's rare cases such as this that get everyone so riled up. I think its startling that there are so few shootings such as this, considering that there are a lot of firearms in America and we have a population of 300 million. Most Americans are responsible with their guns and should not be punished.
and to you, making a valid argument is telling someone to fvck off? you could've told me that earlier, then I could have flipped you the valid argument instead of trying to reason with you.
anyway, If this is all your capable of, i'm not even gonna bother. you're the ones who have kids running around with guns, not us. i'll just head of to pick up my sister at her unguarded, metal-detectorless high school. maybe we'll talk again sometime, if you can keep dodging the bullets in the land of the free.
Grasshopper7
Junior Member
Chris Rock said it best. Guns should be free but bullets should cost $5000 each.
BTW-- I am a Life member of the NRA and an Olympic-Class target marksman.
BTW-- I am a Life member of the NRA and an Olympic-Class target marksman.
Also in addition to this etc gn control, I don;t believe in gun control. It will never work, I'm a hunter myself and I have two .300 Win Mag rifles and One .375 Rifle and two .22lr rifles and two 12 ga. shotguns. My school knows that I do own these guns as I go out of school to hunt at times. I believe the problem lies within the students themselves and the way they grew up. In no way the weapons are responisble for killing anyone even "the bullets" etc, all of them wouldn;t work without the person behind it. just like a car, it's not the car it is the driver behind the wheel that makes the car performs well, this applies to the gun issue in the same way. I'm proud to say if I were a teacher I would love if the school would allow a designated teachers/trained persons to handle firearms in some situations where is needed, ie. School Shooting and so on forth, nothing is more powerful than seeing a teacher armed with a weapon and protecting his/her fellow students, it just inspires me even if laws are being broken, life are being protected and that's what's worth the cost of law breaking. if I could save one life even if it means breaking tens of laws, I would do it as long a life's being respected to the fullest.
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