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Genx87

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Bottom line -- another senseless shooting in a nation that has some very obvious problems with guns and violence in schools. No problem. We can just keep ignoring it until the next time a dozen or so kids get slaughtered.

Happy hunting.

Ill ask you this question like I asked infohawk.

Do you suggest we take away their soveirgn status?
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: BBond
Bottom line -- another senseless shooting in a nation that has some very obvious problems with guns and violence in schools. No problem. We can just keep ignoring it until the next time a dozen or so kids get slaughtered.

Happy hunting. :roll:

So what do you suggest we do? ban guns for everyone cops included? I want to hear your solution, it?s easy to point the problem out.


Libs always have the same answer, "Ban Guns, create a society of victims"! They love being victims because people protect victims. They want everyone to be a victim so they will look normal. They never have a solution. Solutions never enter their world.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
wtf? why do you need a pistol for a snake? hahaha

yeah what animal stalks humans without humans disturbing them first. :roll:
If a big cat is going to come at you a tranq will do just as well and far less dangerous to society.
IF you need to hunt then dont be a coward and give the animal a fair chance and use a real weapon.
You have a perfectly good chance to take your ass to a store to eat and if you want to hunt the animal deserves the right to eat YOU.

Oh, forgot to ask. Do you know so much about snakes because it is a part of your religious training or did you read books?

 

Steeplerot

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and condor always has the same answer "Ban Everything and Spread Fear Across the Land!"
(excpet wal-mart bush guns and foxnews)
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: BBond
Bottom line -- another senseless shooting in a nation that has some very obvious problems with guns and violence in schools. No problem. We can just keep ignoring it until the next time a dozen or so kids get slaughtered.

Happy hunting. :roll:

So what do you suggest we do? ban guns for everyone cops included? I want to hear your solution, it?s easy to point the problem out.

I would think the people we elect would be able to come up with some rules for safe storage of firearms. But since they're being paid by the NRA to defeat any restrictions on gun ownership that isn't likely to happen, is it? So here are a few suggestions right off the top of my head.

Strict gun control laws for purchase and ownership. Background checks. Requirements for the safe handling and keeping of firearms so some kid can't get hold of grandpa's gun and waste a few classmates.

If you are a licensed, legal owner of firearms you should be responsible for their safe storage. If anyone uses your firearms illegally due to your negligence you should be held responsible right along with the person who uses them illegally. In other words, keep your weapons under lock and key in tamper proof storage and keep the damn ammo under lock and key in another location. Don't leave your firearms lying around loaded because it makes you feel safer. It only makes things much less safe for the rest of us.

Use some common sense. Americans are more careful using their lawnmower than they are with their firearms. And these kids are mowing down classmates rather than mowing lawns as a result.

Before you post, you really should become familiar with current laws. It would save you a lot of wasted typing.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
and condor always has the same answer "Ban Everything and Spread Fear Across the Land!"
(excpet wal-mart bush guns and foxnews)

When have I ever espoused banning anything? I don't usually get that long winded.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
and condor always has the same answer "Ban Everything and Spread Fear Across the Land!"
(excpet wal-mart bush guns and foxnews)

Fear is sort of like when you ride a bike. When you feel really confident and have overcome all of your defensive fears, make a reservation in your best hospital, you are going to need it! Tell them to stock plenty ot titanium screws and stuff.

 

feelingshorter

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BBond
If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

Another school shooting.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Blame the Finger

Not the Trigger

Without the trigger the kid would have had a hard time killing all those people with just his finger.

or will he...
 

Zebo

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Of course, so can knives, bricks, cars, rolling pins, large toys, Xbox, darts, arrows, and my personal favorite, something *almost* everyone has: Your hands.

Don't even need to work that hard. Kid could have used his pickup to mow down countless students (waiting for the bus, assembly, fire drill..etc) chilling with a fith of Jack between his legs...Fact is guns arnt anymore dangerous than any other tool. Gun grabbers I guess just don't dig thier primary intention is to kill.
 

Ozoned

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Mar 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: BBond
If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

:roll::roll:
Thought I would duck into this thread and see how long it would take Bobnd to make this a Republican/ Democrat thing.

I guess he got right to it...

To answer your question, if you really are that fvcking stupid, Read this


 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
If the Republicans are so pro-life why are they opposed to gun control?

:roll::roll:
Thought I would duck into this thread and see how long it would take Bobnd to make this a Republican/ Democrat thing.

I guess he got right to it...

To answer your question, if you really are that fvcking stupid, Read this

So basically you came in to troll and not add anything useful?
 

mwtgg

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Dec 6, 2001
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Originally posted by: Proletariat
No conservative has ever explained to me the astronimically low rate of murder in countries that have banned guns.

Astronomically low?

What about Switzerland? They have a ton of firearms there, fully automatic weapons even, and yet they must have a soaring murder rate, right? Oh wait...
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: BBond
Bottom line -- another senseless shooting in a nation that has some very obvious problems with guns and violence in schools. No problem. We can just keep ignoring it until the next time a dozen or so kids get slaughtered.

Happy hunting. :roll:

So what do you suggest we do? ban guns for everyone cops included? I want to hear your solution, it?s easy to point the problem out.

I would think the people we elect would be able to come up with some rules for safe storage of firearms. But since they're being paid by the NRA to defeat any restrictions on gun ownership that isn't likely to happen, is it? So here are a few suggestions right off the top of my head.

Strict gun control laws for purchase and ownership. Background checks. Requirements for the safe handling and keeping of firearms so some kid can't get hold of grandpa's gun and waste a few classmates.

If you are a licensed, legal owner of firearms you should be responsible for their safe storage. If anyone uses your firearms illegally due to your negligence you should be held responsible right along with the person who uses them illegally. In other words, keep your weapons under lock and key in tamper proof storage and keep the damn ammo under lock and key in another location. Don't leave your firearms lying around loaded because it makes you feel safer. It only makes things much less safe for the rest of us.

Use some common sense. Americans are more careful using their lawnmower than they are with their firearms. And these kids are mowing down classmates rather than mowing lawns as a result.


I would think the people we elect would be able to come up with some rules for safe speech. But since they're being paid by the ACLU to defeat any restrictions on Speech that isn't likely to happen, is it? So here are a few suggestions right off the top of my head.

Strict Speech laws about what said in public forums or arenas. Background checks before speaking. Requirements for the safe speeking around children so some kid can't get any anti-american ideas and waste his life in pursuit of them.

If you are a licensed to speek, you should be responsible for correct speak or loose your licence. If anyone uses your Speek Licence illegally due to your negligence you should be held responsible right along with the person who uses them illegally. In other words, keep your Speek certs under lock and key in tamper proof storage under lock and key in another location..

 

mwtgg

Lifer
Dec 6, 2001
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Ahhh why not, it would have come up sooner or later!

A neo-nazi 'angel of death'

Rather interesting article...

The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself.

This kid had some serious issues.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Ahhh why not, it would have come up sooner or later!

A neo-nazi 'angel of death'

Rather interesting article...

The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself.

This kid had some serious issues.

Yup, and even if he didn't have guns he would have been able to do what he did!
 

mwtgg

Lifer
Dec 6, 2001
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Ahhh why not, it would have come up sooner or later!

A neo-nazi 'angel of death'

Rather interesting article...

The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself.

This kid had some serious issues.

Yup, and even if he didn't have guns he would have been able to do what he did!

Wait a minute... did Hell just freeze over??? We're in agreement???
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Ahhh why not, it would have come up sooner or later!

A neo-nazi 'angel of death'

Rather interesting article...

The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself.

This kid had some serious issues.

Yup, and even if he didn't have guns he would have been able to do what he did!

Wait a minute... did Hell just freeze over??? We're in agreement???

Nope, you're just having problems with sarcasm.
 

mwtgg

Lifer
Dec 6, 2001
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Ahhh why not, it would have come up sooner or later!

A neo-nazi 'angel of death'

Rather interesting article...

The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself.

This kid had some serious issues.

Yup, and even if he didn't have guns he would have been able to do what he did!

Wait a minute... did Hell just freeze over??? We're in agreement???

Nope, you're just having problems with sarcasm.

Damn, I knew something was fishy. He wouldn't have had a problem, he could have done it with a knife, it just wouldn't have been as 'easy'.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Ahhh why not, it would have come up sooner or later!

A neo-nazi 'angel of death'

Rather interesting article...

The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself.

This kid had some serious issues.

Yup, and even if he didn't have guns he would have been able to do what he did!

Wait a minute... did Hell just freeze over??? We're in agreement???

Nope, you're just having problems with sarcasm.

Damn, I knew something was fishy. He wouldn't have had a problem, he could have done it with a knife, it just wouldn't have been as 'easy'.

Right, if he was a super-duper ninja. The 'easy' is the whole point.
 

gordanfreeman

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at this point im just going to say as a pretty staunch liberal, i agree with the conservative viewpoint on gun control even tho their reasoning for it all to often is ridiculous.

i thought bowling for columbine showed pretty definatly that it is not gun control (or lack thereof) that causes problems in the US. and if not there is more than enough evidence out there to look at (heck probably enough in this thread alone) to convince most rational people that gun control is not the answer.

plain and simple: gun control keeps guns out of law abiding citizens hands. keyword is law abiding. law abiding means these are the people who will not threaten others with deadly force, murder, steal, or use illegal means to get ahold of firearms. meanwhile criminals, almost by definition, will not be stopped by gun control from aquiring firearms should they so choose. it may make it slightly more difficult but if they have the desire (money be damned they will just steal the money) they will get one. this gives criminals an even larger upper hand, since the people they will be assaulting will almost guarenteed be unarmed making their job even easier.

(i read a study once that in situations where criminals knew their potential victim was likely to be carrying, they were less likely to assault that person than when they were relatively sure their prospective victim was unarmed--common sense anyways)

the cause of these shootings and violence in general, imo, is the society these people grow up in, the lack of quality role models and parents, and poverty. as i said earlier... show me a well off middle to upper class child with a good education and a strong family unit and i will show you someone who isnt shooting up their school. when that kid does go on a rampage, i will start looking for other causes. until then everything else i can think of has already been exhausted.

edit: ok that post on the kid now... more proof that he had mental problems. sure having a gun made it 'easier' (remember it was a legally registered gun so gun control would have made no difference in this case) but the fact it happened at all is due at least in large part to his upbringing. stop it at the source and we have no problems ever. stop one means to an end and you only make it marginally harder to accomplish their goals or they will find a different way. either way someone is complaining about another killing.
 

mwtgg

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Right, if he was a super-duper ninja. The 'easy' is the whole point.

Please, knifing is obviously harder than pulling a trigger, but that's not to say you need "super-duper ninja" skills to do it.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
at this point im just going to say as a pretty staunch liberal, i agree with the conservative viewpoint on gun control even tho their reasoning for it all to often is ridiculous.

i thought bowling for columbine showed pretty definatly that it is not gun control (or lack thereof) that causes problems in the US. and if not there is more than enough evidence out there to look at (heck probably enough in this thread alone) to convince most rational people that gun control is not the answer.

plain and simple: gun control keeps guns out of law abiding citizens hands. keyword is law abiding. law abiding means these are the people who will not threaten others with deadly force, murder, steal, or use illegal means to get ahold of firearms. meanwhile criminals, almost by definition, will not be stopped by gun control from aquiring firearms should they so choose. it may make it slightly more difficult but if they have the desire (money be damned they will just steal the money) they will get one. this gives criminals an even larger upper hand, since the people they will be assaulting will almost guarenteed be unarmed making their job even easier.

(i read a study once that in situations where criminals knew their potential victim was likely to be carrying, they were less likely to assault that person than when they were relatively sure their prospective victim was unarmed--common sense anyways)

the cause of these shootings and violence in general, imo, is the society these people grow up in, the lack of quality role models and parents, and poverty. as i said earlier... show me a well off middle to upper class child with a good education and a strong family unit and i will show you someone who isnt shooting up their school. when that kid does go on a rampage, i will start looking for other causes. until then everything else i can think of has already been exhausted.

edit: ok that post on the kid now... more proof that he had mental problems. sure having a gun made it 'easier' (remember it was a legally registered gun so gun control would have made no difference in this case) but the fact it happened at all is due at least in large part to his upbringing. stop it at the source and we have no problems ever. stop one means to an end and you only make it marginally harder to accomplish their goals or they will find a different way. either way someone is complaining about another killing.

Good post. I don't know when or why some liberals adopted anti-gun lobby but it sucks because in doing so they deny a humans most basic right, right to self defence, against someone bigger, stronger, more violent than the victim. Take this case for instance or columbine, if the teachers had guns more likly than not he would have been stopped right after shooting the initial security guard and driving truck into school... none of this wandering class to class with impunity looking for the next hit.


Anyway, in todays violent society I believe it's almost irresponsible to leave onesself and family and children at thugs mercy so why should it be any different at school? there is nothing sacred to the crimminal mind about a school house. In fact he knows a gun owner will not be there to stop his massacre since federal regs say teachs and coaches and adminsitrators can't have them.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Good post. I don't know when or why some liberals adopted anti-gun lobby but it sucks because in doing so they deny a humans most basic right, right to self defence, against someone bigger, stronger, more violent than the victim.

Anyway, in todays violent society I believe it's almost irresponsible to leave onesself and family and children at thugs mercy

I'd have to agree with all of that, which is why I've always wondered why most feminists have allied themselves with the gun control lobby. If the average man is stronger than the average woman, why would some women be opposed to a tool which evens up the odds considerably? An armed woman = an empowered woman, IMHO.