Student Loan Forgiveness is Set to Expire: This is Going to be Painful for Many!

[Greenman]

What happens now? What about the people who are going to start school next year? Do they get a 10K gift as well? Have controls been put in place to prevent this from happening again? Has the program been restructured in some way? Or has this literally been a vote purchase?

 

[fskimospy]

What happens now? What about the people who are going to start school next year? Do they get a 10K gift as well? Have controls been put in place to prevent this from happening again? Has the program been restructured in some way?

This is my problem - nothing about student loans has changed. We need to abolish them and return the public funding for schools that boomers cut or we will just keep repeating this situation.

Or has this literally been a vote purchase?

I have never heard you describe GOP tax cuts as vote purchases even though they are exactly the same thing. I also don't remember you coming out against them despite them being far more costly.

I would say until you establish a record of opposing GOP vote buying you don't have much room to criticize anyone else for vote buying.

 

[K1052]

It's possible to hold the below positions at the same time

1) Debt relief is important for millions of lower income people and good in the long term

2) Higher education costs for students need to be brought waaaay the fuck down

 

[gothuevos]

Or has this literally been a vote purchase?

Like when Trump was going to give African Americans a "platinum plan" or whatever that was all about?

And literally all policy proposals are a "vote purchase" in some fashion.

 

[Jaskalas]

I sense a lot of pain and jealousy in these posts.
Republicans will use that in the usual "Democrats are stealing from you" narrative.

 

[K1052]

I would say until you establish a record of opposing GOP vote buying you don't have much room to criticize anyone else for vote buying.

GOP policy messaging summed up:

Helping citizens with literally anything = buying votes, which is bad. Helping only corporations and the rich = deregulation, which is good.

 

[Greenman]

This is my problem - nothing about student loans has changed. We need to abolish them and return the public funding for schools that boomers cut or we will just keep repeating this situation.


I have never heard you describe GOP tax cuts as vote purchases even though they are exactly the same thing. I also don't remember you coming out against them despite them being far more costly.

I would say until you establish a record of opposing GOP vote buying you don't have much room to criticize anyone else for vote buying.

Student loans are a voluntary system, you have to actively seek them out and agree to pay them back. Tax cuts are a reduction in the amount of money we have to pay under threat of force. They are completely different situations.

 

[K1052]

Student loans are a voluntary system, you have to actively seek them out and agree to pay them back. Tax cuts are a reduction in the amount of money we have to pay under threat of force. They are completely different situations.

Absolute horse shit. These are both policy choices.

 

[Greenman]

Absolute horse shit. These are both policy choices.

What policy? I've never seen "abolish taxes" on a ballot. I've never been offered an opportunity to have them forgiven. I absolutely never signed a contract promising to pay them.
The attempt to conflate the two issues is disingenuous at best. A tax and a loan are completely different entities.

 

[fskimospy]

Student loans are a voluntary system, you have to actively seek them out and agree to pay them back. Tax cuts are a reduction in the amount of money we have to pay under threat of force. They are completely different situations.

Unless you think the US government should not make any expenditures they are the same situation.

If you want to try and draw a distinction where student loan forgiveness is vote buying but saying any person who elects to buy a private jet gets to pay a lot less in taxes than they would otherwise is not, please make that argument.

 

[fskimospy]

Also police departments, roads, fire departments, etc. are all vote buying if we are being honest. That's what government does!

 

[K1052]

What policy? I've never seen "abolish taxes" on a ballot. I've never been offered an opportunity to have them forgiven. I absolutely never signed a contract promising to pay them.
The attempt to conflate the two issues is disingenuous at best. A tax and a loan are completely different entities.

Policy where the government decided to spend less money on education and more money on tax cuts.

 

[K1052]

Also police departments, roads, fire departments, etc. are all vote buying if we are being honest. That's what government does!

I did not sign a contract for the fire department and demand it be abolished under my constitutional rights.

 

[fskimospy]

I did not sign a contract for the fire department and demand it be abolished under my constitutional rights.

Imagine the vote buying asshole that said they were going to use other people's tax dollars to protect you even if you never paid in a single cent.

 

[gothuevos]

What happens now? What about the people who are going to start school next year? Do they get a 10K gift as well? Have controls been put in place to prevent this from happening again?

The entire education funding system needs to be revamped. Cost needs to be tackled. There need to be more forgiveness programs akin to PSLF where loans can be forgiven after a period of time of meaningful/public service. Reduce federal student loan interest rates to 0%.

 

[sactoking]

I've seen a lot of people bitching about "loan forgiveness." I haven't seen many people complaining about grants for low income students.

If you're butt-hurt about loan forgiveness then just think of this as retroactively extending $10,000 Pell grants to people below $125,000 income.

 

[ch33zw1z]

What policy? I've never seen "abolish taxes" on a ballot. I've never been offered an opportunity to have them forgiven. I absolutely never signed a contract promising to pay them.
The attempt to conflate the two issues is disingenuous at best. A tax and a loan are completely different entities.

You don’t vote for policy, guess that means you vote for whatever photo you like best, or maybe whatever name you can pronounce

 

[Brainonska511]

What happens now? What about the people who are going to start school next year? Do they get a 10K gift as well? Have controls been put in place to prevent this from happening again? Has the program been restructured in some way? Or has this literally been a vote purchase?

Action on costs will have to come from Congress. However, there were changes to income-based repayment rules and structure that will still help future graduates.

 

[Aikouka]

It's possible to hold the below positions at the same time

1) Debt relief is important for millions of lower income people and good in the long term

2) Higher education costs for students need to be brought waaaay the fuck down

I don't think people believe that they are mutually exclusive, but rather that even though we finally got #1, we won't see #2. Given that #1 involves fixing the problem caused by the source of #2, we're just going to see the same thing happen again.

It's one thing that I was never fond of with Bernie's speeches... he had a habit of talking about fixing the here and now, but I rarely heard anything about the underlying issues that were the cause of the surface-level issues. (That sort of thing isn't really limited to him, but he's who I recalled first.)

 

[JD50]

What policy? I've never seen "abolish taxes" on a ballot. I've never been offered an opportunity to have them forgiven. I absolutely never signed a contract promising to pay them.
The attempt to conflate the two issues is disingenuous at best. A tax and a loan are completely different entities.

I never signed a contract to give PPP handouts to all the asshole local business owners that are now flooding my community Facebook page with posts about how much they hate government handouts, yet here we are. Fuck off.

 

[K1052]

I don't think people believe that they are mutually exclusive, but rather that even though we finally got #1, we won't see #2. Given that #1 involves fixing the problem caused by the source of #2, we're just going to see the same thing happen again.

It's one thing that I was never fond of with Bernie's speeches... he had a habit of talking about fixing the here and now, but I rarely heard anything about the underlying issues that were the cause of the surface-level issues. (That sort of thing isn't really limited to him, but he's who I recalled first.)

They are being presented as mutually exclusive. Larger reform requires congressional action which Republicans do not remotely have any interest in.

If people want to start asking questions about higher ed costs in the US start asking every R what they'd do to bring the cost down. The answer is absolutely nothing and f you for asking. The Democrats can actually come up with some proposals.

 

[MrPickins]

I don't think people believe that they are mutually exclusive, but rather that even though we finally got #1, we won't see #2. Given that #1 involves fixing the problem caused by the source of #2, we're just going to see the same thing happen again.

It's one thing that I was never fond of with Bernie's speeches... he had a habit of talking about fixing the here and now, but I rarely heard anything about the underlying issues that were the cause of the surface-level issues. (That sort of thing isn't really limited to him, but he's who I recalled first.)

It's just a first step, but the changes to the repayment terms will help as well.

 

[kt]

Student loans are a voluntary system, you have to actively seek them out and agree to pay them back. Tax cuts are a reduction in the amount of money we have to pay under threat of force. They are completely different situations.

Using your own fucked logic, paying taxes is a voluntary system. You can choose not to work and pay no taxes. But if you choose to have a job, then you pay taxes and can benefit from tax cuts. Just like students who borrowed money are now benefitting from this student loan debt forgiveness (ie: a different version of "tax cuts" for young people out there).

 

[Captante]

brandon getting spicy thanks to new twitter intern

https://twitter.com/x/status/1562957374339497987

NJ Represent!

Might be too late to have much influence on the midterms but this wonderful, talented lady might well be exactly the "shot of LIFE" the Democrats have been missing by just being flat-out ANCIENT.

This also feels like a good time to mention that AOC has been calling for this type of strategy-change for a LONG time!

In order to REACH younger voters they need to see your message and not too many kids I know read the paper or watch traditional TV. (like none)

 

[Pens1566]

Yes, but only for the athletic programs. Not even OU returns any money back to academics. Football and basketball make money which sports other athletic programs, but not education.

Yeah, it's a one way street.