Student gets Suspended for taking PIC of napping Teacher!

[Analog]

MUSTANG, Okla. -- A teacher's nap in class ended up becoming a rude awakening for a student.

Mustang Public Schools officials said a ninth-grader snapped a photo of a snoozing substitute with a cellphone last Friday at Mustang Mid-High School.The student was later suspended. The move is not sitting well with some parents.
"If anything, they should have been reprimanded for having a phone, but they probably took it to an extreme because they caught a teacher doing something they weren't supposed to be doing," parent Steven Graulich said.District officials said they won't discuss potential disciplinary action against any student or staff member.However, officials said, "A student may possess a telecommunication device while on school premises, but the use of a telecommunication device is not permitted during the school day."

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[DesiPower]

This is sad, a naive mistake on the student's part, shouldn't have gotten suspended.

On the other side, the sub should definitely get thrown out.

 

[theeedude]

I don't get the point of suspending a student. You misbehave and get a day off?

 

[GotIssues]

He got suspended for taking the picture, the subject was irrelevant. With cellphones, I'm all for the zero tolerance policy in schools and the kid should be suspended. They are very disruptive to the education process.

As for the teacher, do whatever the policy has for punishment (I'm sure napping on the job would be in there) and be done with it.

 

[waggy]

fire the teacher and never use them again

the student was a idiot he knew the rules. he shouldn't have taken the picture.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Technically, the student wasn't "using" a telecommunications device. It was the camera.

Suspended? lame...

 

[Fingolfin269]

He got suspended for taking the picture, the subject was irrelevant. With cellphones, I'm all for the zero tolerance policy in schools and the kid should be suspended. They are very disruptive to the education process.

But he took a picture in order to prove that there was no education process. How can you disrupt the education process when it doesn't exist?

Zero tolerance is always dumb. This is a great reason why.

 

[Kadarin]

But he took a picture in order to prove that there was no education process. How can you disrupt the education process when it doesn't exist?

Zero tolerance is always dumb. This is a great reason why.

^^^ Agreeing with this.

 

[jlee]

He got suspended for taking the picture, the subject was irrelevant. With cellphones, I'm all for the zero tolerance policy in schools and the kid should be suspended. They are very disruptive to the education process.

As for the teacher, do whatever the policy has for punishment (I'm sure napping on the job would be in there) and be done with it.

I'm pretty sure there wasn't too much of an "education process" to disrupt in that classroom...

 

[Bateluer]

You misbehave and get a day off?

They are still responsible for all work assigned that day, assignments, projects, etc, on the same time table as every one else. And they lose any participation points for the day or any work that was assigned and due that day.

You may not be at school, but it does hurt your grade. If you care about that.

 

[Stuxnet]

Is he napping or is he dying?

 

[waggy]

But he took a picture in order to prove that there was no education process. How can you disrupt the education process when it doesn't exist?

Zero tolerance is always dumb. This is a great reason why.

Zero tolerance is idiotic. and i agree with your argument.

 

[sourceninja]

He got suspended for taking the picture, the subject was irrelevant. With cellphones, I'm all for the zero tolerance policy in schools and the kid should be suspended. They are very disruptive to the education process.

As for the teacher, do whatever the policy has for punishment (I'm sure napping on the job would be in there) and be done with it.

Zero tolerance was how I get suspended for NOT fighting in school. It is also why the next time I got in a fight, rather than holding my hands up saying "I don't want to fight you", I took the kids head and smashed it into a bloody mess.

If I was going home, i was going home for something I did.

Zero tolerance is simply retarded. It paints a picture of a black and white reality which doesn't exist in the real world.

 

[Gothgar]

pretty hilarious...

 

[BoberFett]

They are very disruptive to the education process.

Clearly in this case it was the phone disrupting the class...

 

[GotIssues]

But he took a picture in order to prove that there was no education process. How can you disrupt the education process when it doesn't exist?

Zero tolerance is always dumb. This is a great reason why.

So you have zero tolerance for zero tolerance?


The other 20-25 kids in class giving the same story would be proof enough to act on. He did not have to break the rules to provide proof. This isn't a case of a bad zero tolerance policy, it's the case of a kid seeing a funny picture in front of him and taking a risk and losing (I'd have done it, that's a hilarious picture). He didn't have to take the picture, there was more than enough witnesses and proof to back his claim.

 

[GotIssues]

Clearly in this case it was the phone disrupting the class...

If you take out a gun in the school hallway without intent using it, is that ok? You are not using it, not hurting anyone. What's the big deal?

That's an extreme example, but rules have to be black and white, especially at a high school. HAVE to be. You were/are of that age, you should know that you'd do your best to "technically" get around the rules. You probably spent a lot of time coming up with new ways to get around the rules. Hell, you are trying to do it right now.

There is an appeal system for a reason. Zero tolerance is fine, and credible grievances should be heard, but this is not one of them. The kid didn't need to break the rules, he did it anyways.

 

[yhelothar]

So you have zero tolerance for zero tolerance?


The other 20-25 kids in class giving the same story would be proof enough to act on. He did not have to break the rules to provide proof. This isn't a case of a bad zero tolerance policy, it's the case of a kid seeing a funny picture in front of him and taking a risk and losing (I'd have done it, that's a hilarious picture). He didn't have to take the picture, there was more than enough witnesses and proof to back his claim.

A picture is worth a 1000 words > 20-25 students telling the story.

 

[DrPizza]

If the kid was carrying the cell phone and the policy is that cell phones are to be off and in the locker, then the kid is obviously in violation of that's rule. The context of how he got caught has nothing to do with this.

Most likely, the substitute won't be substituting again.
Edit- suspension for cell phone use seems a little severe, if this was a first time offense. A better set of penalties is 1st time = parent has to go to the school to pick it up. 2nd offense = it's kept in the school office until the end of the year.

 

[GotIssues]

Zero tolerance was how I get suspended for NOT fighting in school. It is also why the next time I got in a fight, rather than holding my hands up saying "I don't want to fight you", I took the kids head and smashed it into a bloody mess.

If I was going home, i was going home for something I did.

What exactly were you doing to have the person want to fight you to begin with? It might not have been entirely about not fighting, but how you got to that point to begin with.

Zero tolerance is simply retarded. It paints a picture of a black and white reality which doesn't exist in the real world.

Zero tolerance really isn't zero tolerance. It's still subject to appeals and the like. It's a deterrent to prevent people from testing the rules, which kids do all the time. Work with kids sometime. Dropping the hammer is a much stricter message than a lengthy debate regarding the actual rule breaking. Leaving it open for debate encourages kids to test the rules more to find out where the boundaries actually are.

It's not about the micro, it's about the macro.

 

[GotIssues]

A picture is worth a 1000 words > 20-25 students telling the story.

Not true.

What if he was stretching out his back at the time? Pictures don't tell the full story out of context. If they do, I have proof that a single balloon can lift a man, I even have photographic proof.

 

[Paladin]

"A student may possess a telecommunication device while on school premises, but the use of a telecommunication device is not permitted during the school day."

That's the same policy at my son's middle school. If they get caught using it, the phone is taken away and the parents are called to come pick it up. The discipline is left to the parents. The kid certainly shouldn't be suspended.

 

[Matthiasa]

If the kid was carrying the cell phone and the policy is that cell phones are to be off and in the locker, then the kid is obviously in violation of that's rule. The context of how he got caught has nothing to do with this.

Most likely, the substitute won't be substituting again.
Edit- suspension for cell phone use seems a little severe, if this was a first time offense. A better set of penalties is 1st time = parent has to go to the school to pick it up. 2nd offense = it's kept in the school office until the end of the year.

So if say a teacher was beating someone with some object and the only way to get proof was to record it that the students shouldn't?

Schools almost always take a teachers word over any number students saying otherwise.
Without actual verifiable evidence it doesn't matter what a teacher does because the school will do nothing about it.

 

[IAteYourMother]

suspension for using a phone?? Is detention not a thing anymore?

 

[BrokenVisage]

Technically, the student wasn't "using" a telecommunications device. It was the camera.

THANK YOU!

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