Strom Thurmond dead

[0roo0roo]

time to 0wn tcenter.

link to um.. him saying N*gger. its a realaudio link on that page. i woulda gotten a better page, but it was the first off google. chomsky is nuts, but nuts aren't always wrong

if that doesn't work, go to npr's site. its there.


another more


Robert G. Kaiser: Interesting point. I have myself listened to a tape of the famous '48 speech many times -- it's on the NPR Web site. It sounds a lot more like n*gger than Negro, yet it might be just a tiny bit removed from that most offensive epithet. Listen for yourself. Does he say something like "neegera"? Whatever it is, it was the code language of the day, and was meant to express contempt for black people, I am sure. more

ok, 'm tired of using google, my point is made. the supposedly "liberal" media seems to have censored his words in most cases. kind odd that a "liberal" media would do that eh? buncha apologists.

*perknose beat me to the npr link. you can use unrealone to play realmedia without realplayer. could find it in the forums.

so according to tcenter either strom is a closet racist who softened his stance to further his career or he's just a spineless jack@ss with his finger in the wind.

 

[tcsenter]

Robert G. Kaiser: Interesting point. I have myself listened to a tape of the famous '48 speech many times -- it's on the NPR Web site. It sounds a lot more like n*gger than Negro, yet it might be just a tiny bit removed from that most offensive epithet. Listen for yourself. Does he say something like "neegera"? Whatever it is, it was the code language of the day, and was meant to express contempt for black people, I am sure

lol! Thank you for posting that, it is exactly as I said.

Kaiser can't even say for sure the word Thurmond used was n-gger, and Kaiser has listened to the recording "many times". In fact, not only can he not say for sure the word was n-gger, but he actually suggests in no uncertain terms it probably was not ("just a tiny bit removed from that most offensive epithet").

But, none of that matters, Kaiser says, because we all know what he meant, even if he didn't say it, and that's just as good as saying it, which is stunningly similar argument to what I already said:

This claim was purely logic oriented, arguing that a 'racist' such as Thurmond surely would have used the more derogatory slur, under the distorted presumption that 'states rights' was exclusively about racism, and that the white racist media was surely censoring Thurmond's use of the word."

Thank you for clearing that up Oroo, I'm not sure I would have found Kaiser's statements on my own.

 

[Perknose]

Please, tscenter, hold your nose, use Unrealaudio, whatever, but dowload the damn tape and listen to it yourself.

Strom say "the N*GGER race", as plain as day!!!

It isn't a "touch" off.

He doesn't say Negro.

He doesn't say "neegra".

He doesn't even use the then common Southern politesse word "nigra", which I actually went to the tape expecting to hear, and which could easily be confused, especially by Northern ears, for the 'n' word. No . . .

HE SAYS N*GGER!!!!

I urge anyone who has any doubts whatsoever on this matter to listen to the damn tape.

 

[0roo0roo]

he's desperate, its sad.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://stromwatch.com/ stroms speech in mp3. its n*gger.

tccenter in his desperation bit the apologist bait.. how sad.

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://stromwatch.com/ stroms speech in mp3. its n*gger.

tccenter in his desperation bit the apologist bait.. how sad.

Rot in hell, Thurmond.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Thurmond's actual words were, "...all the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, into our schools, our churches and our places of recreation and amusement."

You have misspoken, tscenter.

You can clearly hear Strom use the term "THE N*GGER RACE" in this tape of his speech of July 17th, 1948, here: <a href="http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20021205.atc.thurmond.ram">[url]http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20021205.atc.thurmond.ram</A>.[/url] You have to (ugh!) download RealAudio to hear it.

I actually thought the tape might be garbled and inconclusive. It is not. Strom clearly says "the n*gger race", not anything else.

I had thought he might have used the Southern white honorific "nigra", or that it might be hard to distinguish whether or not he said "nigra" or "n*gger", but, sure enough, he said "n*gger" just as plain as day.

On the other hand, I wish to salute his patriotism, courage and honor for his combat service to our country in WWII.

The service he performed was in a segregated Army.

Many of you who are raising the loudest howls would have used the same language and felt exactly the same if you were raised in the conditions that existed back then.
The question is what people are doing now and in this particular case respecting someone for the service they performed.

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Perknose

Thurmond's actual words were, "...all the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, into our schools, our churches and our places of recreation and amusement."

You have misspoken, tscenter.

You can clearly hear Strom use the term "THE N*GGER RACE" in this tape of his speech of July 17th, 1948, here: <a href="http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20021205.atc.thurmond.ram">[url]http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20021205.atc.thurmond.ram</A>.[/url] You have to (ugh!) download RealAudio to hear it.

I actually thought the tape might be garbled and inconclusive. It is not. Strom clearly says "the n*gger race", not anything else.

I had thought he might have used the Southern white honorific "nigra", or that it might be hard to distinguish whether or not he said "nigra" or "n*gger", but, sure enough, he said "n*gger" just as plain as day.

On the other hand, I wish to salute his patriotism, courage and honor for his combat service to our country in WWII.

The service he performed was in a segregated Army.

Many of you who are raising the loudest howls would have used the same language and felt exactly the same if you were raised in the conditions that existed back then.
The question is what people are doing now and in this particular case respecting someone for the service they performed.

You're right. And that makes it acceptable.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Phuz

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://stromwatch.com/ stroms speech in mp3. its n*gger.

tccenter in his desperation bit the apologist bait.. how sad.

Rot in hell, Thurmond.

Tell him hello for me when you see him again.

 

[tcsenter]

Please, tscenter, hold your nose, use Unrealaudio, whatever, but dowload the damn tape and listen to it yourself.

Strom say "the N*GGER race", as plain as day!!!

I'll have you know that I created a Ghost image of my HDD just in case Real Player screwed something up I could restore it back to the way it was. I found an old version of Real Player 8 to install instead of downloading the Real One Crapper..


So I get my trusty pair of Sennheiser headphones. Not only can I also not tell what the hell he says, it sounds more like 'nigro-race' to me, in that slack-jawed Southern dialect which also makes 'ladies and gentlemen' sound like 'lays and jetamen', but where does he say anything about "gun" or "bayonets" or "places of recreation and amusement"? So clearly the New York Times quote is wrong whether or not he says 'negro'. I wonder if there is another speech?

At any rate, not that it makes much difference. It was 1948, not 1988, and 'n-gger' was not the cut-and-dried slur it is today. Using 'negro' would get you beat-up today, so whatever.

Thurmond received 20% of his state's black vote in the last election, which was down from prior elections. He had the support of many blacks in his state who were quite aware of his former views. Even before his segregation rhetoric, Thurmond was cracking down on the KKK and lynchings. This apparent contradiction is rather easy to reconcile, a truly racist man wouldn't want to see much less direct a crack-down on the KKK or lynchings, and certainly wouldn't have tried to improve the conditions of black schools or supported a ban on poll taxes.

Thurmond's opposition to segregation was exactly what he said it was, a misguided opposition to what many southerners felt to be overbearing federal government mandates.

 

[calbear2000]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Please, tscenter, hold your nose, use Unrealaudio, whatever, but dowload the damn tape and listen to it yourself.

Strom say "the N*GGER race", as plain as day!!!

I'll have you know that I created a Ghost image of my HDD just in case Real Player screwed something up I could restore it back to the way it was. I found an old version of Real Player 8 to install instead of downloading the Real One Crapper..


So I get my trusty pair of Sennheiser headphones. Not only can I also not tell what the hell he says, it sounds more like 'nigro-race' to me, in that slack-jawed Southern dialect which also makes 'ladies and gentlemen' sound like 'lays and jetamen', but where does he say anything about "gun" or "bayonets" or "places of recreation and amusement"? So clearly the New York Times quote is wrong whether or not he says 'negro'. I wonder if there is another speech?

At any rate, not that it makes much difference. It was 1948, not 1988, and 'n-gger' was not the cut-and-dried slur it is today. Using 'negro' would get you beat-up today, so whatever.

Thurmond received 20% of his state's black vote in the last election, which was down from prior elections. He had the support of many blacks in his state who were quite aware of his former views. Even before his segregation rhetoric, Thurmond was cracking down on the KKK and lynchings. This apparent contradiction is rather easy to reconcile, a truly racist man wouldn't want to see much less direct a crack-down on the KKK or lynchings, and certainly wouldn't have tried to improve the conditions of black schools or supported a ban on poll taxes.

Thurmond's opposition to segregation was exactly what he said it was, a misguided opposition to what many southerners felt to be overbearing federal government mandates.

It is surprising and disappointing to see the New York Times mishandle a quote like that.... the paraphrase definitely sounds like one that would come from an unethical apologistic agenda.

In any case, Thurmond's support of Black schools and other measures to improve the plight of Black communities of the era does not rule out that Thurmond was a racist. Whether his segregation policies were motivated by racism can only be speculated upon in retrospect. Yes it was the popular mentality of the South at the time and he was representing the wishes of his constituents, but the lack of recanting these beliefs in the past 50 years raises suspicion as to what his true motives were.

If he indeed called his own opposition to integration "misguided" like tcsenter claims, it gives him some credibility. If he never recanted, too bad for him.... controversy will surround his legacy and shroud his accomplishments so that apologists like tcsenter feel the need to list them to defend his name