irishScott
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It's not asshattery, it's called simple common responsibility (a trait that many seem to lack). You turn things in on time. If not, you're either irresponsible, or there better be some EXTREMELY extenuating circumstances.
Did she inform the teacher about her trip? Did she even send a note or e-mail the day of the trip? If not, she was disrespectful to the teacher in the first place.
What does respect for the teacher have anything to do with the legality of not following school policy?
waggy
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while i do think that the student bares some responability in this. the school is far more at fault then the student.
it is policy that they accept on school events. she was on a school event. they should have accepted it.
BUT the student should have talked to the teacher when they said they would not accept anything late.
Dumac
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While I assume that she could have gotten the project in on time, the law states that she should be given those excused days in order tot urn in the project. It would seem that this teacher is just being spiteful or attempting to teach a greater life lesson. However, it seems as if school is the most important thing for this girl, or her parents at least.
She didn't have to tell the teacher anything. It was a school trip, so the teacher would have been informed, and even if she wasn't that doesn't give her the right to disregard the school's rules, which the girl was abiding by.
irishScott
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Actually, I'm irish (see screen name)
Let's see... do teachers deserve respect?
I hope this question is rhetorical.
Obviously not all teachers are good, but anyone who willingly takes time out of their day to ATTEMPT to teach you something deserves respect IMO.
Basic human nature: If you disrespect someone else, you can expect that same disrespect from said person.
I'm with the parents on this one. The school is being idiotic. Probably some words were exhanged, and the school basically got a case of the ass and refused to budge.
The parents had no choice. You're talking about a highly motivated student, who followed the rules, has probably followed the rules all her life, and is now being screwed by some petty-ass teacher and principal.
Valedictorian certainly means something, especially when applying to colleges.
They are right to sue....what else can they do?
This is definitely not a case of helicopter parents.....they are the ones who bitch to the basketball coach at the Y because little Jr. isn't playing enough.
The parents had no choice. You're talking about a highly motivated student, who followed the rules, has probably followed the rules all her life, and is now being screwed by some petty-ass teacher and principal.
Valedictorian certainly means something, especially when applying to colleges.
They are right to sue....what else can they do?
This is definitely not a case of helicopter parents.....they are the ones who bitch to the basketball coach at the Y because little Jr. isn't playing enough.
irishScott
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My point is that if she really cared, she would have made SURE that she got an A on the assignment. Top flight students who don't have photographic memories check and double check everything in my experience. You turn things in early. You read ahead, you study for 5 hours when others study for 2. You go above and beyond.
If you don't put forth this effort, and then whine about getting a bad grade, then you don't deserve your GPA in the first place IMO.
Roll with the punches or make sure you don't get them.
Dumac
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That applies to disrespect reverberating from teachers as well. I'm not saying that such a thing happened here, but just making a general statement.
I respect teachers if they are skilled, motivated, or caring. Teachers who lack all three attributes recieve little admiration from me.
OutHouse
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the hell she didnt. It is the students responsibilty to keep their teachers informed on why a paper maybe late due to things like this. its called communication, if people would use it more stupid sh*t like this wouldnt tie up our court system.
How do YOU know the teacher was informed just because it was a school trip? quite the assumption wouldnt you say?
irishScott
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Dumac
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I agree that the student should have informed the teacher, especially the type of student who is shooting for valedictorian. Communication is important.
Last time I checked, my High School either sends a list of students who will be missing or marks the student as 'absent due to school related event'. Still, she should have talked it over with the teacher. Any time that I would be missing an important day, or a few days, I would discuss it with my teachers.
However, she shouldn't be penalized for a late paper. Despite what she could have done, she probably did have the rules in mind.
irishScott
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?
When did the gov come into this?
And if I thought the girl deserved the grade, then I would be supporting her on this.
From what I can tell from that article, the girl may or may not be a snobbish pompous 4.5 GPA know-it-all-a$$, or not.
However, the parents seem to be:
ZOMG my daughter will now have a 4.4 GPA!!! Our little prodigy has made a mistake!!!
Look, is she honestly going to be THAT damaged by it? It's being blown out of proportion.
Your daughter is human people. Get used to it. She's gotta learn to lose sometime.
Each situation like this need to be solved and considered individually. There is no rule taht can be made for these situations IMO. The student was either responsible or not. End of story. If the teacher informed her that no late assignments would be taken, then she was irresponsible and does not deserve the grade.
As much as I hate helicopter parents, it sounds like this girl and her parents might actually have good cause to be p!ssed off.
On another note, the amount of pressure dumped on high school students is completely rediculous. The grading system was meant to mean C = average, B = above average, A = far beyond expectations, but everyone is expected to get As nowadays and a C is something shameful that only the slacker kids get. Some of my friends in HS would have a mini nervous breakdown and cry if they got a B on a paper since there was so much pressure on them to have that 4+ GPA. There were other kids at my school that dropped elective courses like orchestra or art because those classes didn't have the honors weighting and they thought those classes would bring down their overall GPA because they wouldn't help to artificially raise the GPA beyond a 4.0. People in HS haven't even finished puberty yet, instead of trying to find their breaking points they should be encouraged to focus on actually learning things and exploring different subjects so they might have some idea what they're interested in before they get to college. College has been far less stressful and demanding, at least for me.
On another note, the amount of pressure dumped on high school students is completely rediculous. The grading system was meant to mean C = average, B = above average, A = far beyond expectations, but everyone is expected to get As nowadays and a C is something shameful that only the slacker kids get. Some of my friends in HS would have a mini nervous breakdown and cry if they got a B on a paper since there was so much pressure on them to have that 4+ GPA. There were other kids at my school that dropped elective courses like orchestra or art because those classes didn't have the honors weighting and they thought those classes would bring down their overall GPA because they wouldn't help to artificially raise the GPA beyond a 4.0. People in HS haven't even finished puberty yet, instead of trying to find their breaking points they should be encouraged to focus on actually learning things and exploring different subjects so they might have some idea what they're interested in before they get to college. College has been far less stressful and demanding, at least for me.
irishScott
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Suit yourself. However, any teacher that willingly takes time out of their day to attempt to teach you would have to have at least one of the traits you mentioned in some form IMHO.
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the school is a public school. the teacher is an agent of the government. just like a cop.
and no, you're wrong, they did make a rule precisely for this situation: when absent for school related activities, a student can turn it in the next day. the teacher has no right to change that rule. especially because the teacher is an agent of the government, so that amounts to arbitrary and capricious governmental behavior and probably violates the equal protection clause.
Dumac
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I truly understand your point. However, just because I don't respect the teacher doesn't mean that I do my best to be a horrible student and/or disrupt the class. I still try to follow their rules and comply to their wishes, out of respect of a system, order, and their position.
What I am trying to say is that even though I may not respect the actual person teaching or their methods, I respect the position as one above me enough to 'be a good student'.
irishScott
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Well I came up through public schools, and I've been in this exact situation several times in my less responsible years. My teachers specifically tole me that an assignment would not be accepted late, and due to some stupid reason I would forget (or occasionally I would actually have a vlid reason) I've never been to court, and I always worked it out with the school, or not. I earned a few Fs. They have not damaged my success in the least, and I believe I am a better person for it.
irishScott
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waggy
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most do get the list.
but to be fair thats still no gurentee they are going to remember. say the teacher has 7 classes (i had 8 classes in high school) and 30 students in each class (on the smaller side) thats over 200 students.
it is in the students best iterest on something like this to make sure the teacher is up to date on everything.
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