Straight-A student?s parents sue over F

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Kreon

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Some teachers like to make successful kids fail
I don't know why
but I've had a few who relish every time I screw up
 

fleshconsumed

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OP cleverly chose topic to bias it towards school.

Nevertheless, assuming lawyer is correct that rule Kanawha's County policy is that "if you?re absent from school with permission, then you are given the days you?re absent to make up or complete the work you?ve done", then it means the student must have been given full credit, end of fvsking story.

The student was on a principal approved trip, therefore according to the policy she should be able to turn in work late without any penalty. Sounds like an asshat teacher to me. While I do agree that it would have been ideal of student to notify teacher that she will have to turn in her work late, she did not have to do it.

I really hope the student wins the case and gets proper grade for her work. Punitive damages are unnecessary, but they are the only way to get school to take the matter seriously.
 

Kanalua

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From a legal standpoint, the girl may have a case IF it can be shown that the "athletes and those who are suspended under disciplinary action, are allowed to hand in work after they return to school." Would be a potential 14th Amendment Equal Protection violation. Of course this is assuming that the contention is true that "athletes and those who are suspended under disciplinary action, are allowed to hand in work after they return to school."

State agencies (Federal, State and Local), including this school (which is a public school, therefore there is state action) must "[not] deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" (14th Amendment to the US Constitution). If the rule (which would considered a law) is applicable to one group of students, but then not applicable to another set of "similarly situated" students, then there is likely a facial and as applied 14th Amendment violation. It's likely that the school would be unable to carry its burden of why its actions justify a violation and exception of the 14th Amendments Equal Protection right. Then you could bring in a Due Process claim if it was shown that the school denied the rights of the girl without the required due process as guaranteed under the 14th Amendment.
 

AStar617

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Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
OP cleverly chose topic to bias it towards school.

Actually, I just copied the article's title word for word. I didn't even make a comment afterwards, besides "WTF" that the entire thing was occurring. :confused:

 

jagec

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Real World? High school? The only thing this girl is learning is the pettiness of some individuals, unfair application of rules, and blatant favoritism of athletes.

Yes, also known as the "real world."
 

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Originally posted by: jiggahertz
It seems kinda odd that a student with a 4.5 GPA would ever be in this position to begin with.

Yea, you would figure the teach would be a little more freaking understanding...
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: thepd7
Not sure how many of you are actually in college right now and/or have applied recently but there are specific scholarships (at my school at least) for valedictorians and at my high school the top 10 were all 4.35-4.5 GPA separated by fractions of points. That B that might cost her valedictorian could cost her literally tens of thousands in scholarships.

Before anyone else says it is rediculous think about how you would feel if someone was stealing $20k you have worked the past 4 years to earn.

I agree with those who say she probably wouldn't have the 4.5 without the parents because that was the case at my school but you don't know that for a fact, hence the lawsuit is not frivilous and I hope she wins.

I fail to understand how people think that it's the parents that got the students a 4.5? Did the parents take the tests for the kids? Many of my friends from high school had perfect GPAs, in fact, I'd say a huge percentage of them received the max GPA available of 4.25. I know that they earned every point of their GPA.

At my school there was a student (friend of mine) whos parents would at the school every day after classes were over talking with teachers, etc. Her mom did many of her school projects and had some done professionally. Yes she was smart and yes she took the tests but there is no doubt in my mind her gpa would have been on the level of mine (4.15) instead of what it was (4.35) without her parents help.
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: Jeraden
Here in the real world, if I have a project due on friday and I'm not going to be in the office on friday, I make sure I have it done thursday.

But, but, but, what if you're out of the office on Friday because the boss sent you to a seminar? It's a work-related absence. Booohoooo you should get until Monday to turn it in.



On another note, I've never been quite so strict about due dates. However, I think a lot of you are overlooking something - suppose the teacher in that class had been saying for the past month and a half, "If you're going to be on that trip the day it's due, you're going to have to turn it in on Monday so that it won't be late." And, suppose that the other forerunner for valedictorian is also in the class and also was on the trip. However, the other contender DID turn it in on time.

Note: "funny eh, at my school if you were suspended you automatically got a 0 on all the work that day" - illegal in most states.

And, one other note, I work in a school district with a very similar policy (about turning in work after being out.) However, the intent of the policy is not quite as you guys are interpreting it. If a student is present in the school building on the day an assignment is due, they are responsible for it, period. If they get an assignment on Wednesday 8th period that's due Thursday 8th period, it doesn't matter that their sports team left an hour early on Wednesday. They had the whole day to see what assignment would be missed. They're still responsible for having it done on Thursday. In the case of an out of school suspension, they are not allowed in the school that day, thus they are given the extra day.

Thank you! I was waiting for someone to point that out. I'm sure she didn't go on the school trip herself, so what about the other kids? The article never tells us if anyone else got a failing mark for not handing it in on time. If she's the only one who didn't hand it in that went on the trip, well then tough tits for her.
 
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maybe this is why americas education sucks. everyone who does ****** gets the lawsuit out and they get an A in return for not suing the shcool out of existance.


still this is pretty ghey.... how can some one be so up themselve and pompus that they think they are immune from getting a bad grade. if you dont do the work properly or dont do it at all you get an F
 
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a project on leafs was worth more than a final exam? retarded.

talk about gifting people high scores. its easy to muster a nice grade on a piece of coursework. every single subject i have taken since starting education the coursework has never, ever been worth more than the final exams. at the very most CW has been worth 40% exam 60%, now in university thats stretched to at least a 20/80 split, some subjects are even 100% exam.
 
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
4.5 GPA...wtf is that.

you get additional GPA points for honors classes (they did the same things as my class).

4.5GPA obviously cant be hard if your major bio CW is collecting leafs and identifying them
 
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Originally posted by: thraashman
Originally posted by: JS80
teacher and school are being unfair, i hope she wins the lawsuit. parents should control schools, not power hungry bureaucrats.

You obviously don't know any teachers. Parents should most certainly NOT control schools. Because first off, teachers have degrees in this stuff. For some reason parents think they know more than teachers. She had advanced notice that she was going to be absent, and therefore it was HER responsibility to turn the project in early! It's by no means the teacher's fault that the student chose to ignore the turn in date and is trying to use a school trip as an excuse to get extra time that other students did not get.

its like back seat driving... its annoying isnt it, especially when back seat driver in question has no friggin license of their own.

happens at the doctors too...... parents know more than the dude sat in front of them with a medical degree and a lot of years studying.

happens even at sports training, my coach used to get royally pissed at parents coaching their kids from the poolside viewing area. he's been a top swim coach for 30 odd years, his success is proven, he knows what he's doing. then you get some parent who knows squat butting in on the process.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Apparently, I waded through thick poison ivy when searching for my leaves and didn't know it.
I'll never forget that and how much I absolutely hate poison ivy and any teacher that would knowingly send you on a biological project without first making sure the entire class can properly identify poisonous plants. Talk about short sightedness.
Well, he did tell us how to identify poison ivy but there are atypical plant populations with leaves that aren't shaped like typical poison ivy, though they still have three leaves. It is also very good at blending in with other plants.

I know what you mean about the oozing. I would wear loose fitting cotton clothing and change them two or three times per day, plus I used gauze wrap on my legs, which also changed two or three times per day. I went through a dozen large gauze rolls. Sheets on the bed had to be changed every day because of the crusty ooze.

Getting it on that scale, poison ivy is miserable around the clock for days and days. A hot bath makes it feel pretty good, though, at least for a while.
 

Ricemarine

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
4.5 GPA...wtf is that.

you get additional GPA points for honors classes (they did the same things as my class).

4.5GPA obviously cant be hard if your major bio CW is collecting leafs and identifying them

too bad Washngton state has a 4.0 GPA rule, nothing beyond.