Stop sign violation in CA

[jaedaliu]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Insane3D
/pulls up chair

/grabs some popcorn

/waits for all the moral warriors

he basically (& technically) rolled through this one... I chimed in. I detest people who don't stop at stop signs... I drive an SUV... the loss of momentum kills me, but I still stop.

Come to California, almost nobody stops at stop signs. I only will if it's a residential neighborhood. Otherwise, i slow down to 1 - 3 mph then roll on if I see it's clear. Had a friend that visited the eastern sea board for a week, and came back cursing about the horrible New England drivers that didn't know how to drive.... they all came to completely full stops at stop signs and didn't go over the speed limit.

I'm not saying what we do is right, it's just that we get indignant when the illegal stuff we do gets noticed and we get a fine thrown our way.

 

[HumblePie]

That's why it's terms the California Stop. Which means to slow down to almost stopping but not quite and rolling right through.

As for fighting the ticket... www.ticketassassin.com and look up on how to file for Trial by Written Declaration. Chances are, the court system will be lazy enough to just through it out. LOL I just had a speeding ticket I got thrown out. I asked for trial by jury here in Texas. They tried to pressure me saying I wouldn't win, that they'll work a deal with me, only 30 days probabtion and the minimum fine instead of 6 months probation. I stuck to my guns and ask for trial by jury. Finallly the clerk says, well we just don't do that very often so it might take a year to set one up. Fine, I'll wait. The clerk said they would call me when they could arrange one. A month later they call and say my ticket was dismissed. If they actually have to WORK for the ticket, they usually give up.

 

Originally posted by: HumblePie
That's why it's terms the California Stop. Which means to slow down to almost stopping but not quite and rolling right through.

As for fighting the ticket... www.ticketassassin.com and look up on how to file for Trial by Written Declaration. Chances are, the court system will be lazy enough to just through it out. LOL I just had a speeding ticket I got thrown out. I asked for trial by jury here in Texas. They tried to pressure me saying I wouldn't win, that they'll work a deal with me, only 30 days probabtion and the minimum fine instead of 6 months probation. I stuck to my guns and ask for trial by jury. Finallly the clerk says, well we just don't do that very often so it might take a year to set one up. Fine, I'll wait. The clerk said they would call me when they could arrange one. A month later they call and say my ticket was dismissed. If they actually have to WORK for the ticket, they usually give up.

That only works in some states. There is no right to trial by jury in illinois for traffic offenses.

 

[sswingle]

Originally posted by: rh71
if you didn't stop again after braking for the CRX, then you didn't stop at the stop sign. You being "close enough" to the line doesn't count, sorry.

I do this all the time, although its usually when people are morons and stop way past the line, so I am stopped behind them were you are supposed to stop for the stop sign. They go, I wait a couple seconds, and then go myself.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Insane3D
/pulls up chair

/grabs some popcorn

/waits for all the moral warriors

he basically (& technically) rolled through this one... I chimed in. I detest people who don't stop at stop signs... I drive an SUV... the loss of momentum kills me, but I still stop.

Yep..I don't care though. Sure, it's cut and dry as far as the law is concerned, but we all know intersections aren't static, and rolling through a stop sign at a busy intersection during the day is much different from say, a small out of the way stop signed intersection @ 3am.

People come on here and act like they follow all traffic laws to the letter at all times...that was what I was talking about.

I could care less if he goes through stop signs at 100mph all the time personally...

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: jaedaliu

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Insane3D
/pulls up chair

/grabs some popcorn

/waits for all the moral warriors

he basically (& technically) rolled through this one... I chimed in. I detest people who don't stop at stop signs... I drive an SUV... the loss of momentum kills me, but I still stop.

Come to California, almost nobody stops at stop signs. I only will if it's a residential neighborhood. Otherwise, i slow down to 1 - 3 mph then roll on if I see it's clear. Had a friend that visited the eastern sea board for a week, and came back cursing about the horrible New England drivers that didn't know how to drive.... they all came to completely full stops at stop signs and didn't go over the speed limit.

I'm not saying what we do is right, it's just that we get indignant when the illegal stuff we do gets noticed and we get a fine thrown our way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect people to come to a full and complete stop... just to the point right before it and you still hit your brakes for it (more like a complete loss of momentum). I see people around here just rolling through the stop sign - meaning they slowed to speed approaching it and didn't even bother hitting the brake when they reached the white line. That's rolling through it in my opinion and that bothers me because you're given a little leeway and these people take complete advantage.

If I believed in a full and complete stop, 90% of the people would get tickets... (though those 90% would have no right to complain if they ever did get ticketed). In the OP's case, if he didn't stop (as in hit the brakes again), then he is definitely wrong... he rolled through it despite braking for the car in front of him... that's what it sounds like.

 

[neovan]

<malkovich>Pay de man heees moneeey</malkovich>

 

[Toasthead]

you lose. just pay the ticket

 

[jtvang125]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: jaedaliu

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Insane3D
/pulls up chair

/grabs some popcorn

/waits for all the moral warriors

he basically (& technically) rolled through this one... I chimed in. I detest people who don't stop at stop signs... I drive an SUV... the loss of momentum kills me, but I still stop.

Come to California, almost nobody stops at stop signs. I only will if it's a residential neighborhood. Otherwise, i slow down to 1 - 3 mph then roll on if I see it's clear. Had a friend that visited the eastern sea board for a week, and came back cursing about the horrible New England drivers that didn't know how to drive.... they all came to completely full stops at stop signs and didn't go over the speed limit.

I'm not saying what we do is right, it's just that we get indignant when the illegal stuff we do gets noticed and we get a fine thrown our way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect people to come to a full and complete stop... just to the point right before it and you still hit your brakes for it (more like a complete loss of momentum). I see people around here just rolling through the stop sign - meaning they slowed to speed approaching it and didn't even bother hitting the brake when they reached the white line. That's rolling through it in my opinion and that bothers me because you're given a little leeway and these people take complete advantage.

If I believed in a full and complete stop, 90% of the people would get tickets... (though those 90% would have no right to complain if they ever did get ticketed). In the OP's case, if he didn't stop (as in hit the brakes again), then he is definitely wrong... he rolled through it despite braking for the car in front of him.

Or the ones that are making right turns at a stop sign and even before they get to the intersection, they are already looking to their left to see if any cars are coming. If not, they just go right through as if the stop sign is a yield sign.

I don't really care but I do care when they do that and cut me off.

 

You could have run over someone!!




J/J, pay the ticket, its not worth the hassle.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Fight it.

More then 50% of the people I see do "rolling stops" at stop signs. More than 90% of the people I see on the road drive in excess of the posted speed limit. If it's something most people are doing and they aren't causing wrecks all the time. Then chances are it is not causing any unacceptable risks or dangers. The purpose of traffic laws is SUPPOSED to be safety (and NOT just a tax on drivers so the government can have more income.) Roads need to have a level of control, however, WTF difference does it make if you slow down to 1mph when you check for traffic or stop at 0mph. Fight it.

EDIT: and for the record, I come to a complete stop at every stop sign. That's one of the easiest things to get ticketed for around these parts ....

 

[kldang]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Did you wait a second after the first car left or did you just pull out right after him? If you waited them you did nothing wrong and should just explain to the judge that after the first car left, you were alredy at the line and didn't need to move up. so you checked for other cars and then proceeded through the intesection.

That's exactly what I did. I stopped for a sec after the CRX has left. When it left, I could barely see the white line. Even though I didn't exactly recall that, I am sure my bumper touch or even covered the whole white line. I drove a Honda accord whose front is much longer than the CRX's rear. This was happened at 10pm in a residential area next to an UC campus. At the intersaction, I can clearly see there were no other cars except the CRX.

Today, I tried to stop my car in front of a white line which is barely covered by my front bumper in the view of me as a driver. Then I got down the car and find that there are still about 2-3 feets from the line. Is it close enough to stop at a STOP SIGN?????????

 

[TuxDave]

Do what I did for my speeding ticket.

1. Pay the Ticket
2. Lose 1 weekend day attending traffic school
3. Get no more moving violations in the next 18 months

 

Originally posted by: Insane3D
/pulls up chair

/grabs some popcorn

/waits for all the moral warriors

Hey! Moral warrior is my term!

 

[ucdbiendog]

Originally posted by: kldang
I feel I am so unfair to get such ticket

lol

 

[ucdbiendog]

Originally posted by: kldang
At the intersaction, I can clearly see there were no other cars except the CRX.

you were obviously wrong. you missed the police car

 

[KarenMarie]

Can you spend an entire day in court to fight this without having to take a day off from work or school?
Are there any points for this violations?
Will your insurance go up because of this?

if you answered no to any of these questions... pay the ticket. it is easier and less hassle.

if the answer to any of these is YES... you can try to fight it, but bottom line is that without pictures or witnesses, it is your word against the cop and the judge will ususally side with the cop, so you will have wasted a day in court and have to pay anyway.

 

[Sex Smurf]

Where was the police officer when he saw you? If he was anywhere except behind you, you have a good case to fight. There are many ways to fight this thing.

 

[kldang]

Originally posted by: ucdbiendog

Originally posted by: kldang
At the intersaction, I can clearly see there were no other cars except the CRX.

you were obviously wrong. you missed the police car

That's true. I was wrong for missing the police and deserve all these. However, I think I will still give it a try. I will do the written declaration but I need to think of a very good argument. Even I lost this appealing, I can still pay the fine and take the driving school after all.

 

[kldang]

Originally posted by: Sex Smurf
Where was the police officer when he saw you? If he was anywhere except behind you, you have a good case to fight. There are many ways to fight this thing.

I really didn't pay attention to the cop. My attention was focused on the front car and the stop sign. When I notice that, the cop car was already behind me. Less than a sec, the siren was on!

If the cop wasn't behind me, how can I offend this?

If the cop was behind me, can I say my car block the cop's vision of how far my car is from the line?

 

[HonkeyDonk]

Your story isn't very detailed...and your lack of good English skills makes it even tougher to understand.

So let me get this straight, you and a CRX in front of you pull up to a stop sign. He is in front, and you are behind him.

The CRX stops at the stop sign, then goes on his merry way. What happens next, EXACTLY?

1. Did you stay where you were, wait at least 1 full second, and then drive through the stop sign?

-or-

2. After the CRX left, did you pull up a little more and then wait 1 second, and then go?

-or-

3. As the CRX was going through the stop sign, you followed him as well b/c you already waited behind him?

 

[Sex Smurf]

Originally posted by: kldang

Originally posted by: Sex Smurf
Where was the police officer when he saw you? If he was anywhere except behind you, you have a good case to fight. There are many ways to fight this thing.

I really didn't pay attention to the cop. My attention was focused on the front car and the stop sign. When I notice that, the cop car was already behind me. Less than a sec, the siren was on!

If the cop wasn't behind me, how can I offend this?

If the cop was behind me, can I say my car block the cop's vision of how far my car is from the line?

If he wasn't in back of you, you could ask him how he could see your brake lights as you did inch forward to the white line and then come to a stop.

But as he was behind you, he'll probably say that your brake lights never turned off and on like a car who pulled up to the line and stopped.

You could say that since you were so close to the curb, you never fully released the brake and instead slowly pulled up to the line then came to a stop, but thats risky.

If you do decide to challenge this, there are a butt-load of questions that you need to ask and lots of preparation you must do before your court date.

 

[mattocs]

You ran a stop sign...really nothing you can fight. Just hope they knock it down to a parking violation so you don't get points on your licence.

 

[kldang]

Originally posted by: HonkeyDonk
Your story isn't very detailed...and your lack of good English skills makes it even tougher to understand.

So let me get this straight, you and a CRX in front of you pull up to a stop sign. He is in front, and you are behind him.

The CRX stops at the stop sign, then goes on his merry way. What happens next, EXACTLY?

1. Did you stay where you were, wait at least 1 full second, and then drive through the stop sign?

-or-

2. After the CRX left, did you pull up a little more and then wait 1 second, and then go?

-or-

3. As the CRX was going through the stop sign, you followed him as well b/c you already waited behind him?

1

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: HumblePie
That's why it's terms the California Stop. Which means to slow down to almost stopping but not quite and rolling right through.

I know the term well, but I've known more than one person who has gotten ticketed for a 'California stop' in California. Stops in California are no different than stops anywhere else... you have to stop. A coworker of mine got a ticket just a little over a week ago for not stopping at a stop sign ... when he was on his bicycle. He's getting a point on his DMV record for that one too (ouch).

I actually got rear ended because I came to a full stop once. Also go watch people at a stop sign. It's very easy to see when someone doesn't come to a stop by looking at the wheels, generally cops have a pretty solid case in 'your word vs. theirs' cases.

To the OP, if you feel you are in the right, then go to your court date and argue the case, or trial by written declaration if you can in your area. It's really all you can do. The law in my state is somewhat vague in that it says you must stop 'at the limit line' It possible (but not probable) that ~15 feet before the limit line could be considered 'at the limit line' by the judge.