STICKY: ATi 5xxx pre-release thread

[alyarb]

in other words, marketing.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
Lol Nemisis 1.

How old are you?

59 years young . You I take work for who. or is it that you don't believe ATI could make such a card . Or is it you don't want to see these kind of improvements . or are ya just a fanboy . Looking at ATI specs for these cards . Those slides look to be right on the money .

Are you calling me a red or green fanboy?

 

[alyarb]

he's looking at a normalized graph of inconsistent testing conditions and calling it right on the money while simultaneously indicting everyone's suspicion in marketing literature. so whatever he calls you is going to be completely off base as well.

no wait, no, that isn't it. you just don't want to see these improvements. that's what it is. you want the radeon to be slow, that's the only possible explanation to your response to marketing literature. you don't want to see improvement. your conscience won't allow it. i wonder if we could translate him into proper english it would make more sense.

 

[MrK6]

Originally posted by: Dribble

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: Idontcare

What makes them official?

Those look like ATi's marketing slides

Ah, I see now, so they are "official AMD marketing benchmarks", not official 3rd party generated benchmarks of the kind that anyone outside of AMD marketing actually cares to see and read about then. Hooray?

Why are you putting ATI marketing with AMD marketing . Over the fast 3 years ATI/INTEL should have earned your trust . AMD has a ways to go on trusting marketing slides . ATI does not.

lol look at the scales. In most of them an nvidia ??? takes 1 bar. If the 5870 has 20% higher performance it's bar is twice as long, not 1.2 times. If it's got 80% higher performance it's bar is five times as long, not 1.8 times.

tbh it wasn't necessary - the 5870 seems fast enough that they could use accurate scaling and it would still look mighty impressive, but to twist the scales to suit what you are trying to show - that's an example of untrustworthy marketing.

They did use accurate scaling; the benchmarks are only "twisted" if you don't know how to read graphs. They're simply zoomed in on the area of interest (i.e. the specific differences between the cards). If anything is "fishy," it's that they used 8x AA in most benchmarks, given how poorly NVIDIA cards perform while using high AA. But maybe that was their point, so you could scratch that comment then .

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: alyarb
he's looking at a normalized graph of inconsistent testing conditions and calling it right on the money while simultaneously indicting everyone's suspicion in marketing literature. so whatever he calls you is going to be completely off base as well.

no wait, no, that isn't it. you just don't want to see these improvements. that's what it is. you want the radeon to be slow, that's the only possible explanation to your response to marketing literature. you don't want to see improvement. your conscience won't allow it. i wonder if we could translate him into proper english it would make more sense.

Are you joking? MY last 3 GPU purchases have been ATI. This is probably the biggest and best launch by ATI ever. I'm excited as anyone and it will be my next purchase.

I am however, pointing out that you shouldn't bank on THOSE graphs. They are NOT official whatsoever. They are marred with an amateur mistake.

 

[alyarb]

of course i'm joking, are you insane? i'm just translating nemesis into english.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I am not interested in eyeinfinity. But The Apples open CL for pyphisics on the Cpu and GPU is great stuff. Now if AMD and Intel can figure out away to stop Havok Physics on Their CPUs when NV card is onboard, it would be a pertfect storm .
As it is the NV 300 had better be all NV is hyping as ATI isn't standing still GO ATI.

Aside of the random CaPitAl LetTErS I swear to God I'm trying hard to make something out of these words but they DO NOT COMPUTE...


...seriously, dude: WTF? :shocked:

Funny . neighbor kids were outside playing . So I called in one . He was 9 . He read it with zero problems . On the other hand he struggled with your comment because it didn't hold up to eyes that perfection as seen by 9 year old . He says you have a problem . LOL

So you are essentially saying that you stuck on the level of a 9-years old hence my comment is too difficult to cope with for you as well...?

PS: wait, did you just introduce your new feat, spaces *before* the dot at the end of the sentence?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Tempered81

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Alot more info surfacing.

http://www.czechgamer.com/novi...hmarky-jsou-venku.html

Not long to wait to see how big that can of whoopass is the NV opened on itself.

There are good times on the forums and bad. This is about to be ATs forum Best time ever . NV for breakfest lunch and dinner. ATI guys its time its your time. TO glote!

It's "gloat". And it would be long overdue for ATI fans.

Thanks for properly siting spelling error.:thumbsup:

Erm, "citing".

Ya that one I new . Got ya.

Umm, "knew".

Man you guys are sharp! I hope you got the meaning correct as I used wrong word LOL.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: MrK6

Originally posted by: Dribble

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: Idontcare

What makes them official?

Those look like ATi's marketing slides

Ah, I see now, so they are "official AMD marketing benchmarks", not official 3rd party generated benchmarks of the kind that anyone outside of AMD marketing actually cares to see and read about then. Hooray?

Why are you putting ATI marketing with AMD marketing . Over the fast 3 years ATI/INTEL should have earned your trust . AMD has a ways to go on trusting marketing slides . ATI does not.

lol look at the scales. In most of them an nvidia ??? takes 1 bar. If the 5870 has 20% higher performance it's bar is twice as long, not 1.2 times. If it's got 80% higher performance it's bar is five times as long, not 1.8 times.

tbh it wasn't necessary - the 5870 seems fast enough that they could use accurate scaling and it would still look mighty impressive, but to twist the scales to suit what you are trying to show - that's an example of untrustworthy marketing.

They did use accurate scaling; the benchmarks are only "twisted" if you don't know how to read graphs. They're simply zoomed in on the area of interest (i.e. the specific differences between the cards). If anything is "fishy," it's that they used 8x AA in most benchmarks, given how poorly NVIDIA cards perform while using high AA. But maybe that was their point, so you could scratch that comment then .

Bingo

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why are you putting ATI marketing with AMD marketing .

Uhm...because this happened in 2006?

AMD Completes ATI Acquisition and Creates Processing Powerhouse

ATI is a brand name, like Hummer or XEON, not a company, like GM or Intel.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: alyarb
he's looking at a normalized graph of inconsistent testing conditions and calling it right on the money while simultaneously indicting everyone's suspicion in marketing literature. so whatever he calls you is going to be completely off base as well.

no wait, no, that isn't it. you just don't want to see these improvements. that's what it is. you want the radeon to be slow, that's the only possible explanation to your response to marketing literature. you don't want to see improvement. your conscience won't allow it. i wonder if we could translate him into proper english it would make more sense.

In how many days befor this post is proven to be as bad as the other. 2 weeks not long to have to wait to eat crow.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: alyarb
of course i'm joking, are you insane? i'm just translating nemesis into english.

Not a problem . But your getting a little ahead . I have read reviews for 10 years and the differant graphs used. I never mention the graphs. Because everyone uses there own to there benefit . Or eas of use. A graph is a graph so long as it accurately shows the % gain over last generation hardware.

I have seen common errors produced by all sites in the graphs even here at AT . Mistakes happen the guys are tired and screw up trying to get there info out as quik and accurate as is humanly possiable . Don't point out human error as proof of this or that.

You take the History books you read from and I mine . When we find a poinr of contention is the old hostory correct or trhe New . If the old is correct . Why the change.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why are you putting ATI marketing with AMD marketing .

Uhm...because this happened in 2006?

AMD Completes ATI Acquisition and Creates Processing Powerhouse

ATI is a brand name, like Hummer or XEON, not a company, like GM or Intel.

Completely on fair . AMD just bought ATI and the engineers from ATI were giving out bad info (leaks) . My brother inlaw being one of them .

Had NV not begged MS to change DX10 orginal specs . This would have never occurred.

 

[Keysplayr]

Nemesis, you know why that normalized marketing bench page cannot be used. There is no indication whether the Nvidia green bars start at zero. For all we know, they could just be showing the tips of the green bars or the top 5%. So we, the public must dismiss them as just marketing slides. Nothing more. Nothing less. We've seen these types of marketing graphs before form both camps. But at the very least, they had numbers to indicate what the bars represented.

 

[OCGuy]

When did he turn into the biggest ATi fanboy on these forums?

You are making the intelligent ATi fans on this forum look bad.


Look, we all know you want people to rush out and buy 5XXX before they can compare it with the competition. And I'm sure there will be tons of people that will do just that.

However, you are kidding yourself it you think most people arent going to wait to compare options.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Nemesis, you know why that normalized marketing bench page cannot be used. There is no indication whether the Nvidia green bars start at zero. For all we know, they could just be showing the tips of the green bars or the top 5%. So we, the public must dismiss them as just marketing slides. Nothing more. Nothing less. We've seen these types of marketing graphs before form both camps. But at the very least, they had numbers to indicate what the bars represented.

Come on Keys . You been part of NV marketing for along time . So is what your saying is until we see real numbers real benefits on real cards anything you say can be dismissed is that correct?

Its to close to launch to be using that excuse . But you must recall this thread .

When the NV hype machine starts. We can all dismiss anything the NV marketing guys have to say . Thats what your saying. I for one will hold ya to that.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: OCguy
When did he turn into the biggest ATi fanboy on these forums?

You are making the intelligent ATi fans on this forum look bad.

You make yourself look bad with ignorance. I have always been Intel / ATI . nothing new from me. I want larrabee to be great also / NV I don't like because of their fanbois.

How is this worse than you NV guys Hyping a card that won't be out for 9 months.

 

[scooterlibby]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Nemesis, you know why that normalized marketing bench page cannot be used. There is no indication whether the Nvidia green bars start at zero. For all we know, they could just be showing the tips of the green bars or the top 5%. So we, the public must dismiss them as just marketing slides. Nothing more. Nothing less. We've seen these types of marketing graphs before form both camps. But at the very least, they had numbers to indicate what the bars represented.

+1

People need to know the basics of interpreting graphs. I have high hopes for this upcoming card, but I wouldn't be foolish enough to pin them on those marketing slides.

 

[Keysplayr]

You can interpret what I posted any way you desire, while the rest of the forum, Nvidia and ATI fan alike, reads and comprehends exactly what was printed.

 

[Ackmed]

Same people still ignorantly hating on ATi, while blindingly loving nVidia. How cute.

 

[Keysplayr]

Let me guess Ackmed. You don't notice anything in the converse sense, right?

 

[scooterlibby]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
You can interpret what I posted any way you desire, while the rest of the forum, Nvidia and ATI fan alike, reads and comprehends exactly what was printed.

I was actually agreeing with you. I'm not wedded to either company, and am waiting for actual benchmarks that aren't marketing slides to make my upcoming purchase.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
NV I don't like because of their fanbois.

Why hold a business entity accountable for the actions of people who are unaffiliated with the business entity?

There's some atypical cause-and-effect assignment going on there.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: scooterlibby

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
You can interpret what I posted any way you desire, while the rest of the forum, Nvidia and ATI fan alike, reads and comprehends exactly what was printed.

I was actually agreeing with you. I'm not wedded to either company, and am waiting for actual benchmarks that aren't marketing slides to make my upcoming purchase.

pretty sure he was responding to nemesis there, but I can see why you might have thought it was a response to you given the post order in the thread.

 

[Tempered81]

first "3rd party"
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