Steve Nash wins the MVP

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's why this award is decided by the people who know basketball like the back of their hands and not people on computer forums.

Nash showed in Game 1 why he makes his team better than Kobe's. If Kobe chokes again, this series is over.

Nash had career highs in 4 categories after winning the MVP last year, his team won 52 games with 1 good player and 3 scrubs, and nobody is as all around good as Nash.

Try this on for size: Nash almost shot just as good from 3pt range (.439) as Kobe (.450) and Lebron's (.458) regular FG%. All while leading the NBA in assists per game (next closest was Baron Davis @1.5 behind him lol). Let's not even get into FT% for Nash (.921) to Kobe (.850) or Lebron (.740). Who do you want on the line at the end of game? Won't even get into FG%, rofl. It's a wrap, the best man won.

Blah, John Stockton overall had better stats imo and never won an mvp.


Keep in mind this is a *report* based on a newspapers compilation, not from the NBA.

Its crazy...two MVP's virtually assures him of the hall of fame, and nash in the hof is just plain freaky.

 

[cHeeZeFacTory]

Originally posted by: X-Man
MVP is not about who the best player in the league is. It's about who did the most for his team.

no, mvp is about whom ever the voter thinks should be getting it. There is no solid definition for mvp.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's why this award is decided by the people who know basketball like the back of their hands and not people on computer forums.

Nash showed in Game 1 why he makes his team better than Kobe's. If Kobe chokes again, this series is over.

Nash had career highs in 4 categories after winning the MVP last year, his team won 52 games with 1 good player and 3 scrubs, and nobody is as all around good as Nash.

Try this on for size: Nash almost shot just as good from 3pt range (.439) as Kobe (.450) and Lebron's (.458) regular FG%. All while leading the NBA in assists per game (next closest was Baron Davis @1.5 behind him lol). Let's not even get into FT% for Nash (.921) to Kobe (.850) or Lebron (.740). Who do you want on the line at the end of game? Won't even get into FG%, rofl. It's a wrap, the best man won.

I don't know if I would consider sports writers and broadcasters as basketball experts. Now if all prior hall of fame players voted, that might be the case.

There is a problem with your argument for Nash.

You are only comparing his strengths, not his weaknesses. Nash is a defensive liability which has to be considered for this type of award. And his scoring numbers are so-so for an MVP candidate. If he scored 26 a game, you could ignore his defensive problems. But assists aren't going to overcome that. IMO, assists, though important, are an overrated category.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
White Power!

:thumbsdown: Phunnay not found.

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: tfinch2
White Power!

He no white. He mexican!

He no mexican.......... He Canadian

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[sygyzy]

I like Nash and I am glad he won. It would have been too boring and predictible and cliche if Shaq, Kobe, or Lebron won.

 

[Ranger X]

Kobe should have won it. I'm not a huge Kobe fan but the Lakers really aren't anything without him. The Suns aren't much without Nash either but Nash has a much better supporting cast around him than Kobe did this year.

 

[Nocturnal]

For Kobe, I think you guys are basing the MVP on his record setting points in one game but that alone doesn't make a great player. I rarely watch bball but if I had to choose, I'd have choosen Lebron.

 

[Accipiter22]

shouldn't have won it last year or this year. No player in the league allowed the man he was gaurding to score a higher % above his average. he turned his man he was gaurding into an all-star for the night every night. If he had baron davis' skin tone, no one would give a sh*t about steve nash. what a crock. Kobe should've won, Lebron wouldn't have been a bad choice either.

 

[Miramonti]

Noone that absolutely sucks on the defensive end should EVER win the MVP award. :frown:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: cHeeZeFacTory

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: interchange

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Try this on for size: Nash almost shot just as good from 3pt range (.439) as Kobe (.450) and Lebron (.458). All while leading the NBA in assists per game (next closest was Baron Davis @1.5 behind him lol). Let's not even get into FT% for Nash (.921) to Kobe (.850) or Lebron (.740). Who do you want on the line at the end of game? Won't even get into FG%, rofl. It's a wrap, the best man won.

Uhh Kobe shot .348 and Lebron shot .335 from deep. The stats you listed were their overall field goal percentage.

Yeah, you guys are right. Let me edit that, was in a hurry to get to lunch so didn't proofread it.

if it's purely #'s, Lebron should be winning the mvp. 31, 7 & 6. If i'm down 1 and need a shot to win, I'm going for lebron or kobe, nash is probably not even in my top 5. Usually guys with MVP's have the ability to lead his team to the finals, I seriously doubt the Suns can even beat the Clippers in a 7 game series.

You quote the most hyped numbers but fail to leave out that Nash handily beat Lebron in Assists, FG%, FT% (Lebron's 74% is a joke compared to Nash's 92%), 3pt%. Lebron beat him by roughly 12.5ppg, and 2.8 rebounds/game. That's it, 2 categories (TO's were a wash, blocks and steals were both too miniscule to even matter). I still fail to see how you can leave out shooting percentages as stats, especially when Lebron's are significantly lower. Also keep in mind that Lebron averaged 6.9 more minutes per game so the points/rebound difference might not be as great as you think.

You say MVP's lead their teams to the Finals, but do you see who is on the Suns versus a team like Detroit? lol. That seems like an ignorant statement.

 

[Hammerhead]

They gave it to him because he complies to the new NBA dress code.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: X-Man
MVP is not about who the best player in the league is. It's about who did the most for his team. From that standpoint, I don't see how you can argue Kobe. He scored in bunches, but did he make his team better? I do think LeBron made Cleveland better because of everything he is capable of.

If Nash weren't on the Suns, they would have been in the draft lottery - like they were the year before he showed up. Guys like Boris Diaw (who blew chow in Atlanta) turn into decent role players when they play with Nash.

If Kobe was not on the Lakers they would have won 20-25 games max, not 45. I hate the guy, but I do not see how you could argue that he did not make his team better. Voting should have been Kobe, Bron, Nash in that order.

Go Canada though

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
They gave it to him because he complies to the new NBA dress code.

lol

 

[NeoV]

sp33d, stop it, we get it that you are a Nash fanboy, but 3pt shooting percentage is hardly an MVP-making stat....in fact, those "stiffs" that Nash calls teammates, Barbosa and Bell, both shot better from 3pt land than Nash did.

You can't ignore defense, rebounds, blocked shots, etc, from the equation when you are comparing players.

Jordan and Oscar Robertson are the only two people to average as many points per game, rebounds per game, and assists per game in one season as LeBron did this season, and the Cavs made a jump from out of the playoffs to the #4 seed, and most of the 2nd half they didn't have Larry Hughes, their 2nd best player. - /mvp discussion

As someone in this thread already said, the MVP award, in all the major sports, is poorly defined.

Jim Rome, in his MVP discussions, said he can't consider Kobe or LeBron because they aren't on teams that have a legit chance to win the championship - I'm not sure I get that the Suns have any chance to win the title either, but it's just an example of how one person defines the MVP award.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: cHeeZeFacTory

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: interchange

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Try this on for size: Nash almost shot just as good from 3pt range (.439) as Kobe (.450) and Lebron (.458). All while leading the NBA in assists per game (next closest was Baron Davis @1.5 behind him lol). Let's not even get into FT% for Nash (.921) to Kobe (.850) or Lebron (.740). Who do you want on the line at the end of game? Won't even get into FG%, rofl. It's a wrap, the best man won.

Uhh Kobe shot .348 and Lebron shot .335 from deep. The stats you listed were their overall field goal percentage.

Yeah, you guys are right. Let me edit that, was in a hurry to get to lunch so didn't proofread it.

if it's purely #'s, Lebron should be winning the mvp. 31, 7 & 6. If i'm down 1 and need a shot to win, I'm going for lebron or kobe, nash is probably not even in my top 5. Usually guys with MVP's have the ability to lead his team to the finals, I seriously doubt the Suns can even beat the Clippers in a 7 game series.

You quote the most hyped numbers but fail to leave out that Nash handily beat Lebron in Assists, FG%, FT% (Lebron's 74% is a joke compared to Nash's 92%), 3pt%. Lebron beat him by roughly 12.5ppg, and 2.8 rebounds/game. That's it, 2 categories (TO's were a wash, blocks and steals were both too miniscule to even matter). I still fail to see how you can leave out shooting percentages as stats, especially when Lebron's are significantly lower. Also keep in mind that Lebron averaged 6.9 more minutes per game so the points/rebound difference might not be as great as you think.

You say MVP's lead their teams to the Finals, but do you see who is on the Suns versus a team like Detroit? lol. That seems like an ignorant statement.

You conveniently disparage 12.5 ppg and his defense. Sure nash shoots a higher percentage but it means squat if youre not putting up the shots, and aren't expected to take the shots when the shot clock is running down as well as when the game is on the line. Lebron plays more minutes because he's MORE valuable than nash, and can play at a high level longer.

Its not an award for efficiency, its about effectiveness. Nash has no effectiveness on the defensive end, nor is needed, if not capable, to play more minutes.

edit: you're also not considering the fact that the suns play a more wide open game, leading to easier shots and less defense. You could tack on an extra 5%+ in about every offensive category for Lebron if he was playing in a style like that.

The award for Nash is an absolute joke. He's literally 1/2 the player kobe and lebron is.

 

[D1gger]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
shouldn't have won it last year or this year. No player in the league allowed the man he was gaurding to score a higher % above his average. he turned his man he was gaurding into an all-star for the night every night. If he had baron davis' skin tone, no one would give a sh*t about steve nash. what a crock. Kobe should've won, Lebron wouldn't have been a bad choice either.

I was wondering how long it would take someone to play the race card.

Good job for my home town boy Steve, but I really believed Lebron would get the nod this year.

 

[Baked]

Take away Nash, and the Suns are still going to the playoffs. Take away Kobe and James, and you got sh!t teams that can barely win 20 games. Nash is just a more polished Jason Williams who makes crazy passes. White boy gets WTF school when matched up w/ any decent PG. Terrible choice by the sports writers association. <^>

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Baked
Take away Nash, and the Suns are still going to the playoffs. Take away Kobe and James, and you got sh!t teams that can barely win 20 games. Nash is just a more polished Jason Williams who makes crazy passes. White boy gets WTF school when matched up w/ any decent PG. Terrible choice by the sports writers association. <^>

Who is going to lead the Suns to the playoffs? Nash was the glue that made all the pieces work on his team.

 

[fustercluck]

He had a better year than last year, so it's hard to argue. Still hope for us white people in sports i guess - Anyone else think he's secretly an alien? Not an illegal alien, a real alien, from planet Nashtar.

 

[Miramonti]

Take away the top player from nearly every playoff team and they most likely would not have made the playoffs. This part isn't rocket science.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's why this award is decided by the people who know basketball like the back of their hands and not people on computer forums.

Nash showed in Game 1 why he makes his team better than Kobe's. If Kobe chokes again, this series is over.

Nash had career highs in 4 categories after winning the MVP last year, his team won 52 games with 1 good player and 3 scrubs, and nobody is as all around good as Nash.

Try this on for size: Nash almost shot just as good from 3pt range (.439) as Kobe (.450) and Lebron's (.458) regular FG%. All while leading the NBA in assists per game (next closest was Baron Davis @1.5 behind him lol). Let's not even get into FT% for Nash (.921) to Kobe (.850) or Lebron (.740). Who do you want on the line at the end of game? Won't even get into FG%, rofl. It's a wrap, the best man won.

Blah, John Stockton overall had better stats imo and never won an mvp.


Keep in mind this is a *report* based on a newspapers compilation, not from the NBA.

Its crazy...two MVP's virtually assures him of the hall of fame, and nash in the hof is just plain freaky.

Stockton's best years were from 1988 - 1996. Guess who was in the NBA during that time? Micheal and Magic, who would have won the MVP over any player of this era.

Also regarding the Nash to Stockton comparisons: Although they are similar, Nash shoots significantly better from 3pt range and the FT line (8 and 4) for their careers. Nash never had a Hall of Fame finisher like Karl Malone his whole career either (and please don't say that Amare and Dirk were just as good as Malone, no way in hell you could say that this early in their careers).

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Baked
Take away Nash, and the Suns are still going to the playoffs. Take away Kobe and James, and you got sh!t teams that can barely win 20 games. Nash is just a more polished Jason Williams who makes crazy passes. White boy gets WTF school when matched up w/ any decent PG. Terrible choice by the sports writers association. <^>

Rofl, w/out Nash the Suns would be picking from the lottery.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's why this award is decided by the people who know basketball like the back of their hands and not people on computer forums.

Nash showed in Game 1 why he makes his team better than Kobe's. If Kobe chokes again, this series is over.

Nash had career highs in 4 categories after winning the MVP last year, his team won 52 games with 1 good player and 3 scrubs, and nobody is as all around good as Nash.

Try this on for size: Nash almost shot just as good from 3pt range (.439) as Kobe (.450) and Lebron's (.458) regular FG%. All while leading the NBA in assists per game (next closest was Baron Davis @1.5 behind him lol). Let's not even get into FT% for Nash (.921) to Kobe (.850) or Lebron (.740). Who do you want on the line at the end of game? Won't even get into FG%, rofl. It's a wrap, the best man won.

Blah, John Stockton overall had better stats imo and never won an mvp.


Keep in mind this is a *report* based on a newspapers compilation, not from the NBA.

Its crazy...two MVP's virtually assures him of the hall of fame, and nash in the hof is just plain freaky.

Stockton's best years were from 1988 - 1996. Guess who was in the NBA during that time? Micheal and Magic, who would have won the MVP over any player of this era.

Also regarding the Nash to Stockton comparisons: Although they are similar, Nash shoots significantly better from 3pt range and the FT line (8 and 4) for their careers. Nash never had a Hall of Fame finisher like Karl Malone his whole career either (and please don't say that Amare and Dirk were just as good as Malone, no way in hell you could say that this early in their careers).

People who think that nash's fg% and ft% is all that significant are delusional imo. Nash shoots less than 4 3's a game, makes <2...and he shoots less than 4 free throws a game! This makes him an MVP player over the other real basketball players...hello?

He's not a 'go-to' guy and he's efficient because he doesn't work on the defensive end and plays a wide open game, and doesn't have to create many shots. That's a life of luxury for an offensive player, not an MVP.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
That's why this award is decided by the people who know basketball like the back of their hands and not people on computer forums.

Nash showed in Game 1 why he makes his team better than Kobe's. If Kobe chokes again, this series is over.

Nash had career highs in 4 categories after winning the MVP last year, his team won 52 games with 1 good player and 3 scrubs, and nobody is as all around good as Nash.

Try this on for size: Nash almost shot just as good from 3pt range (.439) as Kobe (.450) and Lebron's (.458) regular FG%. All while leading the NBA in assists per game (next closest was Baron Davis @1.5 behind him lol). Let's not even get into FT% for Nash (.921) to Kobe (.850) or Lebron (.740). Who do you want on the line at the end of game? Won't even get into FG%, rofl. It's a wrap, the best man won.

Blah, John Stockton overall had better stats imo and never won an mvp.


Keep in mind this is a *report* based on a newspapers compilation, not from the NBA.

Its crazy...two MVP's virtually assures him of the hall of fame, and nash in the hof is just plain freaky.

yeah, stockton basically did all this PLUS play defense his entire career. I'm not impressed. Its fine they gave it to him last year. but this was definetly not the right choice this year.