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Stereo Times reviewer holding my $80k power cables for ransom

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Number1 said:
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Power cables have no measurable effect on audio signals and if it can't be measured, it's not there. You're making stuff up as you go like your assertion that gold is only used in low end gears and that it is a poor conductor. Even Patrick disagree with you on this.
Your ignorance is appalling.
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No, gold is a poor conductor, it's only ok for plating, but not anywhere else.
 
AudioTruth said:
It doesn't matter if it's 3rd, it's far from 2nd. Gold is a poor conductor for audio, that's why everyone uses either silver or copper.
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No, no one uses silver or copper for connectors, because it's dumb. When copper corrodes, it creates cupric oxide which is NOT a conductor. When silver is combined with sulphur (which is in the environment) you get an insulator.

More than that, silver is brittle - copper is malleable. This is why you see very few silver cables and TONS of copper cables. But whatever, enjoy your snake oil.
 
I find it shocking that so many so-called audiophiles worry about things like power cables when they have neglected the very atmosphere in which their equipment runs. A low level physics course covering electromagnetic teaches of electromagnetic permittivity and permeability; or in other words, the inherent inductance and capacitance of all materials. The different gasses in the atmosphere have different values for permittivity and permeability, and the atmospheric pressure and water vapor content make these variables change with the weather, time of day, etc. Even the vacuum of space itself has nonzero permittivity and permeability.

These atmospheric variables are essentially the same as someone attaching variable inductors and capacitors between all the electrical wires within my audio components. As an audio fanatic, I knew this must be distorting the sound. I commissioned a special vacuum enclosure for all my equipment, rated to a maintain 10^-7 Torr vacuum. Unfortunately, vacuum pumps are noisy and the lack of atmosphere also presents problems with heat dissipation. Instead, I use 0.99999 pure gases to purge the interior of this vacuum enclosure to regulate the operating atmosphere of my equipment. This can make dramatic differences in the atmosphere, for example, a hydrogen atmosphere has a scientifically measurable 4x lower permittivity than CO2.

I would not claim to have golden ears, perhaps pyritical is a better adjective, but I can tell you that the sound is both clairvoyant and transcendent. It really imparts a tonal rapacious ennui that I found lacking when running my equipment in a normal atmosphere.
 
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RampantAndroid said:
No, no one uses silver or copper for connectors, because it's dumb. When copper corrodes, it creates cupric oxide which is NOT a conductor. When silver is combined with sulphur (which is in the environment) you get an insulator.

More than that, silver is brittle - copper is malleable. This is why you see very few silver cables and TONS of copper cables. But whatever, enjoy your snake oil.
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You keep mixing up connector with conductor all the time. I said that everyone uses silver or copper for conductors. And for connectors, people use gold plating to prevent oxidation.

The best connector I have found is the Furutech FI-11 (Cu), pure copper connector without any plating, because it makes it so neutral sounding. I like it better than Furutech FI-50 in most cases. When using plating, it adds a coloration to the sound. Rhodium gives fake detail, and gold smears away everything. Unplated is the best!

Furutech applies a special oxidation inhibiting coating to the copper connectors of FI-11 (Cu).
 
Okay, I have a serious question. If you have an eargasm from the realization of or listening to microdetail, would it be ok to call it a microgasm? If this is a new concept I plan on getting a patent, $500 if you use the word in a post, if you are on the pre-order list it's only going to run you $375 per usage.
 
Pacfanweb said:
Yep, I knew that and typed the exact wrong thing anyway. Silver is the best conductor. Gold is easier to form and shape and doesn't corrode.
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Silver makes it silky, open, lean, thin, smeared, clean and detailed. The bass size is reduced which emphasizes the high frequencies. I like copper more, it is more neutral from top to bottom, and more powerful. But it has an edgy sound character that isn't as silky as silver.
I found a way to convert copper to silver with crystal formulas. Silkiness of silver with the power of copper!
 
AudioTruth said:
I found a way to convert copper to silver with crystal formulas. Silkiness of silver with the power of copper!
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No, the Aliens figured it out and you copied them.




You know, I was really hoping by 2012 all this sound stuff would be purely digital like video is with HDMI so all this snake oil crap would just go away....
 
That would do nothing to get rid of the snake oil peddlers. Just look at the $500 USB cables from Audioquest, or the $1000 HDMI cables. If someone wants to hear a difference, they'll spend these insane prices to convince themselves that they're getting a difference.
 
skriefal said:
That would do nothing to get rid of the snake oil peddlers. Just look at the $500 USB cables from Audioquest, or the $1000 HDMI cables. If someone wants to hear a difference, they'll spend these insane prices to convince themselves that they're getting a difference.
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It works the other way too. Skeptics spend insane amount of years to convince themselves that cables make no difference, so that they don't need to spend any money.
 
skriefal said:
That would do nothing to get rid of the snake oil peddlers. Just look at the $500 USB cables from Audioquest, or the $1000 HDMI cables. If someone wants to hear a difference, they'll spend these insane prices to convince themselves that they're getting a difference.
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Yeah but at least when its all digital with error correction there is no margin for the human senses. You can't prove that the $1000 HDMI cable is better because the way HDMI works it is an all or nothing deal.

Sure TV's might have different picture quality, just like sets of speakers have different sound quality, but they way the technology works the cable can't have an effect.

If audio was 100% error correcting and digital all the way to the speaker then the technology itself would end the snake oil's "science." Then its goes to the $100 HDMI model where its all trickery and lock-in and there is no " well you just can't hear it."
 
AudioTruth said:
Skeptics spend insane amount of years to convince themselves that cables make no difference
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Nope, we look up the science and research the opinions of respected experts to determine its snake oil. We are talking 15 minutes tops.

Of course maybe you have built this crazy $80 thousand dollar clock with gears made of Big Foot bones that can make 15 minutes FEEL like years. And if you didn't and I just gave you a good idea, I expect 20% of the profits from your custome/////suckers.
 
AudioTruth said:
You keep mixing up connector with conductor all the time. I said that everyone uses silver or copper for conductors. And for connectors, people use gold plating to prevent oxidation.

The best connector I have found is the Furutech FI-11 (Cu), pure copper connector without any plating, because it makes it so neutral sounding. I like it better than Furutech FI-50 in most cases. When using plating, it adds a coloration to the sound. Rhodium gives fake detail, and gold smears away everything. Unplated is the best!

Furutech applies a special oxidation inhibiting coating to the copper connectors of FI-11 (Cu).
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The wire changing the sound quality...where will we go from here? Eating red curry instead of green curry allowing you to perceive the detail better?

AudioTruth said:
Skeptics spend insane amount of years to convince themselves that cables make no difference, so that they don't need to spend any money.
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LOGIC, CAN YOU HANDLE IT? Skeptics - that is to say people who unlike you are sane - don't spend the money on it. We go buy look at the resistance of a cable type and calculate the proper gauge wire for the length we're running, you then just use it. A real of 12ga speaker wire isn't anything special, doesn't need to be, and just works.

What matters more is your amplifier, speakers and most importantly, your source.
 
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AudioTruth said:
Silver makes it silky, open, lean, thin, smeared, clean and detailed. The bass size is reduced which emphasizes the high frequencies. I like copper more, it is more neutral from top to bottom, and more powerful. But it has an edgy sound character that isn't as silky as silver.
I found a way to convert copper to silver with crystal formulas. Silkiness of silver with the power of copper!
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You found the Philosopher's Stone? :colbert:
 
rommelrommel said:
Yes, I have spent years convincing myself that the world is flat so I don't have any urge to travel.
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Yes, the flawed thinking of skeptics comes handy in many ways. If they wake up in the morning and are too tired to go to work, they just make themselves believe there is no job! The job doesn't exist and doesn't make a difference.
It's the same thing with audio, they make themselves believe that cables don't make a difference so they don't need to pay money. But the believers know the harsh truth and can accept the truth, skeptics cannot.
Skeptics have weak and insecure minds, they are not strong enough to handle the truth.
 
RampantAndroid said:
The wire changing the sound quality...where will we go from here? Eating red curry instead of green curry allowing you to perceive the detail better?



LOGIC, CAN YOU HANDLE IT? Skeptics - that is to say people who unlike you are sane - don't spend the money on it. We go buy look at the resistance of a cable type and calculate the proper gauge wire for the length we're running, you then just use it. A real of 12ga speaker wire isn't anything special, doesn't need to be, and just works.

What matters more is your amplifier, speakers and most importantly, your source.
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It's a sad little world skeptics live in, very sad. They are afraid to make the jump to the other side of the fence and discover all the eargasms waiting for them.
 
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