Stephen Hawking: "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS"

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Analogsoul

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Analogsoul
Ugggh, I'm sick and tired of right-wing fear mongering regarding the NHS. It's not a perfect system, there isn't such a thing, however it does work in providing health care for every British citizen. To anyone who thinks that the American system is without flaws is seriously deluded. Despite not being perfect, the NHS flaws pale in comparison with the American system. Please read this editorial of an American citizen's exerience with NHS.

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You may be right. However, I'm still waiting for a simple chart that outlines what it will cost me and what I will gain through paying this extra cost.

Since we already pay for medicare, which is getting more and more expensive all the time, something needs to be done. Health care cost in the US is getting out of control and the current system we have just isn't cutting it. Perhaps you have good health care now, that's great, but most American's don't have that level of coverage if any.

Personally, I have ok health insurance, but I had to go through a huge rigmarole when I broke my arm and required surgery. I had to wait over a week to get surgery because of the red tape I had to go through and it would probably have taken longer if I didn't push the insurance company to get the approval for it. I mean, I had x-rays from the emergency room clearly showing my broken arm and the need for surgery. In the NHS system, I may still have to wait, but I wouldn't have to deal with the red tape.

I have decent health care. It was cadillac a couple of years ago but now I'm on an has plan subsidized through health incentives at work with a reasonable deductible. They gave us some cash to sign a no smoking pledge and give us more to do another health improvement program.
I know how much this costs me and what I get for my dollar. I have no freaking clue what I'm getting out of uhc or what It will cost me.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: OCguy
I wouldnt be here today if it werent for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


Prove me wrong.

what are you even saying? that the nih is like a god? The nih is a fantasy? I mean really you fucking moron.

-------- My point



-------- Your head



Seriously, shouldnt you be hanging out with your 3 or 4 Harvard graduate buddies and your Icelandic celebrity friends?

 

[Analogsoul]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Analogsoul

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Analogsoul
Ugggh, I'm sick and tired of right-wing fear mongering regarding the NHS. It's not a perfect system, there isn't such a thing, however it does work in providing health care for every British citizen. To anyone who thinks that the American system is without flaws is seriously deluded. Despite not being perfect, the NHS flaws pale in comparison with the American system. Please read this editorial of an American citizen's exerience with NHS.

Text

You may be right. However, I'm still waiting for a simple chart that outlines what it will cost me and what I will gain through paying this extra cost.

Since we already pay for medicare, which is getting more and more expensive all the time, something needs to be done. Health care cost in the US is getting out of control and the current system we have just isn't cutting it. Perhaps you have good health care now, that's great, but most American's don't have that level of coverage if any.

Personally, I have ok health insurance, but I had to go through a huge rigmarole when I broke my arm and required surgery. I had to wait over a week to get surgery because of the red tape I had to go through and it would probably have taken longer if I didn't push the insurance company to get the approval for it. I mean, I had x-rays from the emergency room clearly showing my broken arm and the need for surgery. In the NHS system, I may still have to wait, but I wouldn't have to deal with the red tape.

I have decent health care. It was cadillac a couple of years ago but now I'm on an has plan subsidized through health incentives at work with a reasonable deductible. They gave us some cash to sign a no smoking pledge and give us more to do another health improvement program.
I know how much this costs me and what I get for my dollar. I have no freaking clue what I'm getting out of uhc or what It will cost me.

That's understandable and you may be part of the few who decide to keep their current coverage. With the different bills the senate and the house are considering, it's hard to come up with a chart to see what benefits you get versus what you have now since it depends on what ultimately passes. There might be charts online with the information you're looking for, but I haven't really looked. It is likely that you will receive at least the same amount of coverage you get now, if not more, at no real increase in taxes.

It's really important to look at the big picture though. Health care costs in the US are outrageous compared to other countries with a UHF type system. The status quo is only going to hurt US more with stagnant wages and decreasing health care coverage.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: OCguy
-------- My point



-------- Your head

what is your point?

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
What is the point of this thread?

The point of this thread is welcome back, phokus.

 

[Athena]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I have decent health care. It was cadillac a couple of years ago but now I'm on an has plan subsidized through health incentives at work with a reasonable deductible. They gave us some cash to sign a no smoking pledge and give us more to do another health improvement program.
I know how much this costs me and what I get for my dollar. I have no freaking clue what I'm getting out of uhc or what It will cost me.

You have no idea what you will have with your company paid program in a year or two either or how much it will cost you either.

What we do know, is that 55% of employers who have somehow managed to keep health care costs below the national average, do not support the status quo. The number of those same companies who think they will be able to offer health care 10 years from now has fallen from 73% to 62% in just the last year.

We also know that if you are middle-aged and your company is one of the remaining 23% that offer coverage for retirees, you might want to think long and hard before changing jobs because only 12% of companies offer retiree coverage to new hires these days.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Athena
If you want to believe that the UK and Canada are killing people, you take anything that proves your point at face value. It doesn't matter how many Brits or Canadians stand up to debunk the myths, someone always "knows someone who heard that..."

You cannot teach someone who has closed his ears and eyes to the truth.

Go Look up Canada's own #'s on how many CT scanners ond MRI machines they have per person in Canada compared to the US. Then compair wait times. Use the governments numbers. The numbers are shocking. I need to keep this link as a favorite sorry!

So what, if we got UHC in this country, would all those MRI machines blow up? Would President Obama and the death panel come by and destroy them?

I used to work for a small canadian company. The big wigs would come to visit us for a few hours in the States before going to and have a procedure done at our local hospital then go home... Why? Wait times... And they could afford to get it done here with out the wait.

Gee, a bunch of rich guys doing what they want. Wow. That never happens.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Gee, a bunch of rich guys doing what they want. Wow. That never happens.

What he isn't saying is that those people are so rich that they are seeing doctors who don't take insurance no matter what. They take cash only. This is the pillow top that only .001% of the population have.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hawking clearly has received great service from the NHS. People in similar conditions here in the US get great treatment as well and often go bankrupt in the process. What's the point of this thread?

That the death panel thing is FUD.

Oh and corrected for you.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: Analogsoul
Ugggh, I'm sick and tired of right-wing fear mongering regarding the NHS. It's not a perfect system, there isn't such a thing, however it does work in providing health care for every British citizen. To anyone who thinks that the American system is without flaws is seriously deluded. Despite not being perfect, the NHS flaws pale in comparison with the American system. Please read this editorial of an American citizen's exerience with NHS.

Text

Very nice article. Shows the many other side benefits of a UHC system that most never think about.

And you could come up with a million similar horror stories in our glorious private system. No system is perfect. The NHS covers everyone and no one goes bankrupt.

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

So let me see if I get this straight:

If you are FOR UHC, then you kill Stephen Hawking.
If you are AGAINST UHC, then you kill Stephen Hawking.

That about right?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Athena

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I have decent health care. It was cadillac a couple of years ago but now I'm on an has plan subsidized through health incentives at work with a reasonable deductible. They gave us some cash to sign a no smoking pledge and give us more to do another health improvement program.
I know how much this costs me and what I get for my dollar. I have no freaking clue what I'm getting out of uhc or what It will cost me.

You have no idea what you will have with your company paid program in a year or two either or how much it will cost you either.

What we do know, is that 55% of employers who have somehow managed to keep health care costs below the national average, do not support the status quo. The number of those same companies who think they will be able to offer health care 10 years from now has fallen from 73% to 62% in just the last year.

We also know that if you are middle-aged and your company is one of the remaining 23% that offer coverage for retirees, you might want to think long and hard before changing jobs because only 12% of companies offer retiree coverage to new hires these days.

That's fine. I understand my companys plan may change. However, the onus is on the current plan supporters to tell me what it will cost me and what I will get. You are the group that wants this so lay out the facts (in terms of individual cost).

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
That's fine. I understand my companys plan may change. However, the onus is on the current plan supporters to tell me what it will cost me and what I will get. You are the group that wants this so lay out the facts (in terms of individual cost).

if costs aren't controlled then over time you will not be able to pay for any plan and will switch to medicare in your old age. Where is the choice in that?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
That's fine. I understand my companys plan may change. However, the onus is on the current plan supporters to tell me what it will cost me and what I will get. You are the group that wants this so lay out the facts (in terms of individual cost).

if costs aren't controlled then over time you will not be able to pay for any plan and will switch to medicare in your old age. Where is the choice in that?

Nice and general just as expected. Unfortunate, but expected. I'm nowhere near the age for medicare, hell I may not even live that long. What I want to know is, if this passes, what will be the tax hit on me NEXT year? Is it really so hard to avoid dancing?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Nice and general just as expected. Unfortunate, but expected. I'm nowhere near the age for medicare, hell I may not even live that long. What I want to know is, if this passes, what will be the tax hit on me NEXT year? Is it really so hard to avoid dancing?

I don't have the answers you are asking me for. I've been working for over 30 days straight without a day off on my own stuff. However, i think this plan is a start and down the road we should be thinking about single payer systems that pay the medical workers well and cut the office staff and ceos out. The more we cut costs the more that each dollar spent can go to real healthcare. The more people paying into the system the less risk there is across the board.

Nothing is perfect but as of right now i find it sad that you don't think you will live long enough to even need medicare. We need to change that. You should go for a walk and eat a nice salad. Here is a great salad dressing I make a lot:

Olive oil
Balsamic vinegar
honey
dijon mustard

edit* add whole almonds unsalted to the salad for protein

Just tweak those 4 and you will have something nice. Eat as natural as possible. Good luck.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Nice and general just as expected. Unfortunate, but expected. I'm nowhere near the age for medicare, hell I may not even live that long. What I want to know is, if this passes, what will be the tax hit on me NEXT year? Is it really so hard to avoid dancing?

I don't have the answers you are asking me for. I've been working for over 30 days straight without a day off on my own stuff. However, i think this plan is a start and down the road we should be thinking about single payer systems that pay the medical workers well and cut the office staff and ceos out. The more we cut costs the more that each dollar spent can go to real healthcare. The more people paying into the system the less risk there is across the board.

Nothing is perfect but as of right now i find it sad that you don't think you will live long enough to even need medicare. We need to change that. You should go for a walk and eat a nice salad. Here is a great salad dressing I make a lot:

Olive oil
Balsamic vinegar
honey
dijon mustard

edit* add whole almonds unsalted to the salad for protein

Just tweak those 4 and you will have something nice. Eat as natural as possible. Good luck.

Wtf are you talking about? I never said I didn't think I would live that long I said I didn't know if I would. I could die driving home from work. Some of you guys are so tunnel visioned in you just can't see anywhere but straight ahead.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Investor's Business Daily is also the publication that said this bill would outlaw private insurance. They aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer, and their editorial control obviously leaves something to be desired.

I wonder if they thought he was American because his voice box didn't have an English accent?

NOTE TO INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY: STEPHEN HAWKING IS ALSO NOT A ROBOT EVEN THOUGH HE SOUNDS LIKE ONE.

This bill doesn't outlaw anything. It does force companies to comply with whatever the government wants and if a non tax subsidized can't compete (and who can compete with uncle sam?). So in 5 years they'll have to compete with government and that means UHC.

Darwin wins.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: soulcougher73

Originally posted by: Analogsoul
Ugggh, I'm sick and tired of right-wing fear mongering regarding the NHS. It's not a perfect system, there isn't such a thing, however it does work in providing health care for every British citizen. To anyone who thinks that the American system is without flaws is seriously deluded. Despite not being perfect, the NHS flaws pale in comparison with the American system. Please read this editorial of an American citizen's exerience with NHS.

Text

Very nice article. Shows the many other side benefits of a UHC system that most never think about.

And you could come up with a million similar horror stories in our glorious private system. No system is perfect. The NHS covers everyone and no one goes bankrupt.

What does your comment have to do with mine? Why did you quote me? I like the NHS myself and wish we had the same.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
That's fine. I understand my companys plan may change. However, the onus is on the current plan supporters to tell me what it will cost me and what I will get. You are the group that wants this so lay out the facts (in terms of individual cost).

if costs aren't controlled then over time you will not be able to pay for any plan and will switch to medicare in your old age. Where is the choice in that?

Nice and general just as expected. Unfortunate, but expected. I'm nowhere near the age for medicare, hell I may not even live that long. What I want to know is, if this passes, what will be the tax hit on me NEXT year? Is it really so hard to avoid dancing?

I dont think anyone can answer that just yet. But you do have to remember to take into account what your insurance premiums are now and the fact under a true UHC you would not have to pay them. I would assume any tax increase would be less than what most families pay for medical insurance premiums now. As an example i have a friend who pays $600/month for him, his wife, and 2 kids. I highly doubt taxes would be raised enough for him to see a $600/month increase in them. Granted his plan is pretty shitty, but its all he could be approved for. And it probably doesnt even cover much of anything.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Hawking clearly has received great service from the NHS. People in similar conditions here in the US get great treatment as well and often go bankrupt in the process. What's the point of this thread?

I'm a mouth breather.

Oh and corrected for you.

Thanks, I'll return the favor.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Wtf are you talking about? I never said I didn't think I would live that long I said I didn't know if I would. I could die driving home from work. Some of you guys are so tunnel visioned in you just can't see anywhere but straight ahead.

whoa calm down tiger. That was me trying to be nice to you.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Nice and general just as expected. Unfortunate, but expected. I'm nowhere near the age for medicare, hell I may not even live that long. What I want to know is, if this passes, what will be the tax hit on me NEXT year? Is it really so hard to avoid dancing?

I don't have the answers you are asking me for. I've been working for over 30 days straight without a day off on my own stuff. However, i think this plan is a start and down the road we should be thinking about single payer systems that pay the medical workers well and cut the office staff and ceos out. The more we cut costs the more that each dollar spent can go to real healthcare. The more people paying into the system the less risk there is across the board.

Nothing is perfect but as of right now i find it sad that you don't think you will live long enough to even need medicare. We need to change that. You should go for a walk and eat a nice salad. Here is a great salad dressing I make a lot:

Olive oil
Balsamic vinegar
honey
dijon mustard

edit* add whole almonds unsalted to the salad for protein

Just tweak those 4 and you will have something nice. Eat as natural as possible. Good luck.

Wtf are you talking about? I never said I didn't think I would live that long I said I didn't know if I would. I could die driving home from work. Some of you guys are so tunnel visioned in you just can't see anywhere but straight ahead.

I'd try that salad at any rate. Sounds tasty.

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269What I want to know is, if this passes, what will be the tax hit on me NEXT year? Some of you guys are so tunnel visioned in you just can't see anywhere but straight ahead.

Seeing the same person post those 2 lines makes me chuckle.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: rudder
Maybe if this guy had been a noted scholar he would get better treatment.

And from that same story you have:
A spokesman for NHS East Riding of Yorkshire said Mr Boynton's case gave an 'inaccurate scare-mongering picture of dental service provision in East Yorkshire based solely on the claims of one man' The spokesman said: 'As well as 34 dental practices, we have seven dental access centres across East Riding of Yorkshire, including Beverley, where Mr Boynton could access a full range of NHS dentist services.


You need both sides for the full story.

I would like both sides of Stephen Hawkings story. Is he not an asset to Great Britain and would that factor in the amount/quality of care he has received? Maybe someone who lives across the pond can answer that.

You mean the rich and famous get better health care then everybody else?

:QWho'da thunk it!!!:Q

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: rudder
Maybe if this guy had been a noted scholar he would get better treatment.

And from that same story you have:
A spokesman for NHS East Riding of Yorkshire said Mr Boynton's case gave an 'inaccurate scare-mongering picture of dental service provision in East Yorkshire based solely on the claims of one man' The spokesman said: 'As well as 34 dental practices, we have seven dental access centres across East Riding of Yorkshire, including Beverley, where Mr Boynton could access a full range of NHS dentist services.


You need both sides for the full story.

I would like both sides of Stephen Hawkings story. Is he not an asset to Great Britain and would that factor in the amount/quality of care he has received? Maybe someone who lives across the pond can answer that.

You mean the rich and famous get better health care then everybody else?

:QWho'da thunk it!!!:Q

yeah no shit. We already know how to do that lol