Step Up or Shut Up.

[Vic]

Why is thread about Greenman and not about the all-too-real people in the OP who demand foreign wars but refuse to fight in and/or help pay for them?

Oh wait.. nm.

 

[Greenman]

Why is thread about Greenman and not about the all-too-real people in the OP who demand foreign wars but refuse to fight in and/or help pay for them?

Oh wait.. nm.

That was a nice attempt to cast a little shade, but it falls flat.
To answer your question, the thread got off track and into education and AI's replacing people, and it was pointed out that it would be extremely difficult for an AI to replace someone in my position. That became the topic because I'm viewed as an outlier around here. It's even odder when you read what I actually wrote and realize that's it's a clearly liberal take on a couple of major social issues.

 

[Viper1j]

That was a nice attempt to cast a little shade, but it falls flat.
To answer your question, the thread got off track and into education and AI's replacing people, and it was pointed out that it would be extremely difficult for an AI to replace someone in my position. That became the topic because I'm viewed as an outlier around here. It's even odder when you read what I actually wrote and realize that's it's a clearly liberal take on a couple of major social issues.

One job it would be... interesting to see AI replace.

 

[Greenman]

That would be something. Though in the end it would still come down to killing people. It used to be that killing civilian population was a valid target, the US has redefined that to make command and control the primary target in any conflict, followed by infrastructure, then soldiers. Civilians only die as collateral damage, though that still amounts to a lot of them.

 

[BoomerD]

That would be something. Though in the end it would still come down to killing people. It used to be that killing civilian population was a valid target, the US has redefined that to make command and control the primary target in any conflict, followed by infrastructure, then soldiers. Civilians only die as collateral damage, though that still amounts to a lot of them.

Well, dammit...if those civilians don't want to be killed, maybe they shouldn't live where we want to drop our bombs!

 

[Greenman]

Well, dammit...if those civilians don't want to be killed, maybe they shouldn't live where we want to drop our bombs!

Right? Who'd be stupid enough to live where there are going to be bombs falling from the sky? The mind boggles.

 

[Viper1j]

Right? Who'd be stupid enough to live where there are going to be bombs falling from the sky? The mind boggles.

That knife cuts both ways..

 

[Vic]

That was a nice attempt to cast a little shade, but it falls flat.
To answer your question, the thread got off track and into education and AI's replacing people, and it was pointed out that it would be extremely difficult for an AI to replace someone in my position. That became the topic because I'm viewed as an outlier around here. It's even odder when you read what I actually wrote and realize that's it's a clearly liberal take on a couple of major social issues.

Yes, it did go off track at the education straw man that you introduced into the thread, where you protested about paying for free college education (that you're not paying for because it doesn't exist) as an excuse to justify making everyone else to pay for (and in some cases die for) an unnecessary war. The "shade" was because you didn't push the thread off topic for no reason, obviously. As such, ideological tribalism isn't the problem here.

 

[Greenman]

Yes, it did go off track at the education straw man that you introduced into the thread, where you protested about paying for free college education (that you're not paying for because it doesn't exist) as an excuse to justify making everyone else to pay for (and in some cases die for) an unnecessary war. The "shade" was because you didn't push the thread off topic for no reason, obviously. As such, ideological tribalism isn't the problem here.

What I did was endorse UHC, and lay out the boundaries of state sponsored higher education that I would find acceptable. That isn't a straw man, it's an opinion. I never endorsed any war or military action.
Why you choose to deliberately misinterpret my comments is beyond me. It doesn't bring anything to the discussion, as I won't defend a position I didn't take.

 

[zinfamous]

Things the robot didn't do.
Layout the foundation.
Excavate the foundation, place the rebar and pour it.
Frame and shingle the roof.
Install the doors and windows.
Install the plumbing.
Install the electrical.
Install the HVAC.
Install the cabinets and countertops.
Install the interior trim.
Install the finished floors.
Install the hardware.
Paint.
Install the plumbing fixtures.
Install the electrical fixtures.

Did you notice that there wasn't any rebar in those walls? Did you notice that there wasn't any bracing of any kind in those walls? Did you notice that there was no plumbing in those walls?

The robot spread out some goo in a very small and defined pattern. That's not even similar to building a house. It's like thinking that a computer that can take dictation is an author.

whoa, slow your roll(s) fellas. I get that. I posted that mostly in jest as I realize all those things.

HOWEVER--the point is to look at where it is now. Robots are already doing some of the work. They will only be doing more and more and more. In some cases, perhaps with advanced materials with crazy molecular properties, you may not even need rebar for certain types of structures. ...also: of course a robot can already paint that house if it wanted to. some of those things may not be in that video, but can certainly be done by robots now.

...just saying. We're all feeling the crunch to a certain degree

 

[Viper1j]

whoa, slow your roll(s) fellas. I get that. I posted that mostly in jest as I realize all those things.

HOWEVER--the point is to look at where it is now. Robots are already doing some of the work. They will only be doing more and more and more. In some cases, perhaps with advanced materials with crazy molecular properties, you may not even need rebar for certain types of structures. ...also: of course a robot can already paint that house if it wanted to. some of those things may not be in that video, but can certainly be done by robots now.

...just saying. We're all feeling the crunch to a certain degree

Not really, the robot repairman is in pig heaven.

 

[IronWing]

None of our hawks have stepped up? Hmm. Just as well, I'd rather not add another war to our current list of wars. Might even consider ending the wars we are currently waging.

 

[Homerboy]

can it also automatically enlist their sons/daughters?

 

[IronWing]

can it also automatically enlist their sons/daughters?

I think hawks have to take personal responsibility for their own blood thirst. Sending their kids to kill/die doesn't achieve this. If one can bang a keyboard, one can pull a trigger. The warmongers need to put up or shut up.

Of course, the simpler solution to American warmongery is a no-exceptions balanced budget amendment. You want a war? Pay for it, right here, right now. If you can't sell yourself and the American people on an instant tax hike to cover your foreign adventure, no war for you.

 

[Homerboy]

I think hawks have to take personal responsibility for their own blood thirst. Sending their kids to kill/die doesn't achieve this. If one can bang a keyboard, one can pull a trigger. The warmongers need to put up or shut up.

Of course, the simpler solution to American warmongery is a no-exceptions balanced budget amendment. You want a war? Pay for it, right here, right now. If you can't sell yourself and the American people on an instant tax hike to cover your foreign adventure, no war for you.

I said "also". The hawks and the boomers can still strap on their boots and rucksack and get to playing war with their offspring right by their side

 

[Greenman]

whoa, slow your roll(s) fellas. I get that. I posted that mostly in jest as I realize all those things.

HOWEVER--the point is to look at where it is now. Robots are already doing some of the work. They will only be doing more and more and more. In some cases, perhaps with advanced materials with crazy molecular properties, you may not even need rebar for certain types of structures. ...also: of course a robot can already paint that house if it wanted to. some of those things may not be in that video, but can certainly be done by robots now.

...just saying. We're all feeling the crunch to a certain degree

Painting a house is a great example of what a robot can do. All the operator has to do is map out which areas of the structure get which color, identify which areas need repairs and come up with a series of actions that the robot will perform to make corrections. Then we need to figure out how the robot will reach the high areas of the structure. Will it be a large robot that doesn't need a ladder? What happens when it has to paint a confined area?

My point with all of this is that we end up needing a robot and an AI that can actually solve problems, is extremely flexible, and can evaluate jobsite conditions. This thing will make a five axis CNC machine look like a tinker toy. It will need an IQ, it will need to be able to think. Who is going to buy one for fifty million dollars when they can hire a painter for twenty five bucks an hour?
When the AI gets to the point that you can say "paint my house blue with white trim" and turn it loose, it's going to want a raise.

 

[BoomerD]

I said "also". The hawks and the boomers can still strap on their boots and rucksack and get to playing war with their offspring right by their side

I did my bit...I enlisted 50 years ago this month and went to Vietnam.
If the USA is ever invaded...I'd be willing to take up arms again...but this shit? Nope.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

That knife cuts both ways.

WOLVERINES!!!

 

[Viper1j]

WOLVERINES!!!

that was Red Dawn.