Steele: African-Americans 'Really Don't Have A Reason' To Vote GOP

[MJinZ]

How is that white peoples fault ? Do you know how many Hispanic owned business's are out there ? and they have been in this country for less time. How many east indians come here and own gas stations, convenient stores restaurants ? do they employee whites ?

The only problem i see here is whites are still the majority, which to me is not a problem to me but it seems like it is to someone like you.

The fact of the matter is, if you're poor and black you got the government behind you if you are poor and white you are screwed.

If you're black, you're screwed in general because the majority is white. The government helps you out because you are a minority AND because your forefathers were once enslaved.

If you're white, doesn't matter how poor you are, you have the advantange in the majority of situations.

Is that really such a hard concept to understand? Really?

 

[MJinZ]

As another poster posted, there are plenty. And none of them have to abide by Federal law and hire anyone based on race. "White" ran companies, including IBM/Microsoft/Apple follow Affirmitive Action to the T and even thier websites have additional tabs about diversity.

So how many white people want to be the minority white person in the factory of black people? Or the only white guy working at an Indian restaurant?

I have a feeling that the Black businesses that employ mostly black or minorities do so because... they don't have a lot of choice.

 

[nick1985]

If you're black, you're screwed in general because the majority is white. The government helps you out because you are a minority AND because your forefathers were once enslaved.

The government should either help or not help everyone the same. Thats how we can take a big step forward to ending racism.

 

[Hacp]

If you're black, you're screwed in general because the majority is white. The government helps you out because you are a minority AND because your forefathers were once enslaved.

If you're white, doesn't matter how poor you are, you have the advantange in the majority of situations.

Is that really such a hard concept to understand? Really?

Giving the guy in the doorag,who sells drugs, and in general up to no good an advantage? NO.

 

[nick1985]

Giving the guy in the doorag,who sells drugs, and in general up to no good an advantage? NO.

BUT BUT BUT...Think of his forefathers that were enslaved 300 years ago!!!

 

[Mani]

You forgot about the Democrats of the 1960s.

It was the Democrats across the south who blocked desegregation, stood in front of schools to prevent blacks from entering and who set the dogs loose and used fire hoses on peaceful black marchers.

Yet Eisenhower wrote and LBJ passed the civil rights bill. Both parties have their fair share of blood on their hands from civil rights - again, what does this have to do with the parties of 2010?

 

[classy]

I get a 404 page not found on your link so im not going to say much on it...But if he really said that then hes just another moron in the government. Reading between the lines, he is saying that black people need special treatment otherwise they will vote for Dems, since apparently the Dems are giving out/showing favortism to certain Ethnic or racial groups.

Besides that, what you said is stupid aswell. The vast majority of black people voted for Obama not because they loved his speeches...but simply because his skin is black. Go figure.

Well considering that before him, we had only white Presidents, I would assume that same judgement would apply to white people as well. Unless you talked to every white and black voter or you consider blacks less capable of voting on the issues than white people. Because the reality is, looking at the voting facts, your analogy would apply to both whites and blacks.

 

[MJinZ]

The government should either help or not help everyone the same. Thats how we can take a big step forward to ending racism.

Might as well give the Palestinians their land back from the Israelis, while we're at it. Since World War II really didn't matter, you know.

 

[MJinZ]

Giving the guy in the doorag,who sells drugs, and in general up to no good an advantage? NO.

What advantage?

 

[biostud]

How about getting rid of the southern strategy for starters?

Then you get Ross Perot

 

[classy]

Steele's right. And the more his party and its followers continue to stereotype blacks as welfare queens voting on the basis of handouts, the more they will alienate them.

Thats the truth. Republicans make a habit of stereotyping and criticizing blacks, then they want a black person to trust them enough to vote for them. Then when they don't, they stereotype and criticize them some more. Just look at the posts here.

Hacp
Giving the guy in the doorag,who sells drugs, and in general up to no good an advantage? NO.

nick1985
Nobody except the weak and the helpless have any good reason to vote for the Democrats

TwinsenTacquito
How about the fact that you guys are all about keeping minorities poor and under your thumb? Wee'za helps you poor negros, juss be votin' democrat!


This kind of nonsense along with welfare. Dear God please let all these folks know more white people are and have been on welfare than black people, please. They ignore that folks like Thurman, Helms, Lott, the very leaders who built the republican foundation as it exists today have or had 40, 50, 60 year histories of out in the open racial bigotry. Honestly if they were just nice or at least respectable of African Americans they might be surprised how many would support them. George Bush got invited to attend a couple of black church services and wouldn't go. Stupid stuff like that. Blacks still have a long struggle ahead of them. I laugh when people think they will wipe away the stain of 300 plus years of slavery and jim crow in 35-40 years with a few programs.

 

[Hacp]

This kind of nonsense along with welfare. Dear God please let all these folks know more white people are and have been on welfare than black people, please. They ignore that folks like Thurman, Helms, Lott, the very leaders who built the republican foundation as it exists today have or had 40, 50, 60 year histories of out in the open racial bigotry. Honestly if they were just nice or at least respectable of African Americans they might be surprised how many would support them. George Bush got invited to attend a couple of black church services and wouldn't go. Stupid stuff like that. Blacks still have a long struggle ahead of them. I laugh when people think they will wipe away the stain of 300 plus years of slavery and jim crow in 35-40 years with a few programs.

So you have no objection to getting rid of welfare and social programs? I don't care what race these people are, as long as they use government taxpayer money, they are toxic.

 

[nick1985]

Thats the truth. Republicans make a habit of stereotyping and criticizing blacks, then they want a black person to trust them enough to vote for them. Then when they don't, they stereotype and criticize them some more. Just look at the posts here.

Hacp
Giving the guy in the doorag,who sells drugs, and in general up to no good an advantage? NO.

nick1985
Nobody except the weak and the helpless have any good reason to vote for the Democrats

TwinsenTacquito
How about the fact that you guys are all about keeping minorities poor and under your thumb? Wee'za helps you poor negros, juss be votin' democrat!


This kind of nonsense along with welfare. Dear God please let all these folks know more white people are and have been on welfare than black people, please. They ignore that folks like Thurman, Helms, Lott, the very leaders who built the republican foundation as it exists today have or had 40, 50, 60 year histories of out in the open racial bigotry. Honestly if they were just nice or at least respectable of African Americans they might be surprised how many would support them. George Bush got invited to attend a couple of black church services and wouldn't go. Stupid stuff like that. Blacks still have a long struggle ahead of them. I laugh when people think they will wipe away the stain of 300 plus years of slavery and jim crow in 35-40 years with a few programs.

If you took my post as me refering to blacks, then you are the racist.


As for the bolded part, lets not play dumb. You know why? Because whites make up a majority of the county in terms of population. Look up who gets more welfare per capita, whites or blacks, then get back to me. Again, if you are going to try to use statistics at least be fair about it.

 

[Darwin333]

If you're black, you're screwed in general because the majority is white. The government helps you out because you are a minority AND because your forefathers were once enslaved.

If you're white, doesn't matter how poor you are, you have the advantange in the majority of situations.

Is that really such a hard concept to understand? Really?

You really are clueless about how this works out here in the real world.

In the real world the programs you are beating your chest about have gotten so bad that 2 generations of children in some family no nothing other than being dirt poor living in government provided SLUMS that I wouldn't let my dog sleep in and the really sad part is, the next generation will almost certainly be the same. A large portion of young adults, now parents, haven't been more than a few miles from the crime and drug infested, disgustingly falling apart slum you so graciously allow them to live in. They literally do not know any other way and in most cases, their children won't either. They will have children of their own at 15 or 16, in which partly due to your oh so gracious programs the father will almost certainly not be involved, and those children will likely repeat the cycle.

What you call "help" I call a horrendous crime against generations of children, most of whom will never even have the opportunity (or never realize they have the opportunity which has the same affect) to get out of the hell hole you call "help".

I'll offer you the same invitation I offered Craig, come on down if you don't believe me. I will take a vacation day and spend the entire day taking you on tours of the oh so gracious government help that you are advocating. You would have to be a truly sick individual to still think you are helping those people at the end of the day.

Furthermore, most of the Democratic leadership knows the above quite well. The truth of the matter is, they don't give a shit about those people either as long as they vote for the right letter behind the name. So don't sit here and pretend that the left is actually trying to help them when in fact they are doing more damage then good. I am sure the right would do exactly the same given the opportunity but currently they aren't the ones pissing on the poor peoples heads and telling them its raining.

-And as I said earlier, I am not advocating "fuck the poor, let em starve" or any other extreme viewpoint. I advocating a rational debate on a system that gives incentives to people trying to their self instead of our current system that punishes it and leaving the race card completely out of the discussion. It doesn't help one bit.

 

[CitizenKain]

You forgot about the Democrats of the 1960s.

It was the Democrats across the south who blocked desegregation, stood in front of schools to prevent blacks from entering and who set the dogs loose and used fire hoses on peaceful black marchers.

Wasn't it funny how all those people suddenly become republicans right after the Civil Rights act passed? The Democratic party had changed, and the southerners hadn't changed with it.

So you have no objection to getting rid of welfare and social programs? I don't care what race these people are, as long as they use government taxpayer money, they are toxic.

Do you have a job yet, or are you still mooching off your parents.

 

[xj0hnx]

That's why if you read what I wrote, it reads "many republicans" - would you honestly dispute that?

Always amusing when people refer to the democrats of the 1800s to shame the party - like there is absolutely anything today's party shares with the one two centuries ago.

And to answer your question - yes, I do believe there are dems who see blacks in the same way - however there's obviously much less of them than there are republicans.

Yes, as a matter of fact I would dispute it, not dispute that many do, but that the many includes democrats which you seem more than willing to give a pass with statements such as "there's obviously much less", you don't know that, you're just pulling it out of your ass to try defending your party.

And why shouldn't I bring up the dems of past? At every turn people like you use actions of republicans past against the present, turn about is fair play, not my problem if you don't like it.

 

[MJinZ]

You really are clueless about how this works out here in the real world.

In the real world the programs you are beating your chest about have gotten so bad that 2 generations of children in some family no nothing other than being dirt poor living in government provided SLUMS that I wouldn't let my dog sleep in and the really sad part is, the next generation will almost certainly be the same. A large portion of young adults, now parents, haven't been more than a few miles from the crime and drug infested, disgustingly falling apart slum you so graciously allow them to live in. They literally do not know any other way and in most cases, their children won't either. They will have children of their own at 15 or 16, in which partly due to your oh so gracious programs the father will almost certainly not be involved, and those children will likely repeat the cycle.

What you call "help" I call a horrendous crime against generations of children, most of whom will never even have the opportunity (or never realize they have the opportunity which has the same affect) to get out of the hell hole you call "help".

I'll offer you the same invitation I offered Craig, come on down if you don't believe me. I will take a vacation day and spend the entire day taking you on tours of the oh so gracious government help that you are advocating. You would have to be a truly sick individual to still think you are helping those people at the end of the day.

Furthermore, most of the Democratic leadership knows the above quite well. The truth of the matter is, they don't give a shit about those people either as long as they vote for the right letter behind the name. So don't sit here and pretend that the left is actually trying to help them when in fact they are doing more damage then good. I am sure the right would do exactly the same given the opportunity but currently they aren't the ones pissing on the poor peoples heads and telling them its raining.

-And as I said earlier, I am not advocating "fuck the poor, let em starve" or any other extreme viewpoint. I advocating a rational debate on a system that gives incentives to people trying to their self instead of our current system that punishes it and leaving the race card completely out of the discussion. It doesn't help one bit.

Here's the problem. I never said *one* thing about advocating or being pro-any programs. 🙄

However, you want to give incentives to people. I don't. There is incentive enough to want a better life for yourself. The Support programs are in place to give disadvantaged people a security net. If the blacks want to grow up ghetto-fabulous and all be rappers, I really don't give a shit.

But tell me it's a fair playground in the real world, and you'd be wrong. That's why for things like Affirmative Action... I have no problems against. People can choose whatever life they want, I'm not self-righteous enough to be socially engineering their real paths. Who am I to say how they should live their lives?

 

[xj0hnx]

This kind of nonsense along with welfare. Dear God please let all these folks know more white people are and have been on welfare than black people, please.

This is true, there are more whites on welfare than blacks BUT as a percentage of the population ...

They ignore that folks like Thurman, Helms, Lott, the very leaders who built the republican foundation as it exists today have or had 40, 50, 60 year histories of out in the open racial bigotry. Honestly if they were just nice or at least respectable of African Americans they might be surprised how many would support them. George Bush got invited to attend a couple of black church services and wouldn't go. Stupid stuff like that. Blacks still have a long struggle ahead of them. I laugh when people think they will wipe away the stain of 300 plus years of slavery and jim crow in 35-40 years with a few programs.

No one is ignoring anything, but the fact is that the stain of 300 years of slavery, which no one alive today was either a slave or a slave owner, is NEVER going to go away when the race card is played at every opportunity, and people create laws and programs designed to separate people based on the color of their skin. Affirmative Action didn't do anything except create a new class of racism.

You simply can't cry for equality and then turn around and separate based on race even if the intention is good.

 

[classy]

So you have no objection to getting rid of welfare and social programs? I don't care what race these people are, as long as they use government taxpayer money, they are toxic.

I am not looking to get rid of anything. But lets be not play dumb. Folks like Nick and you are not looking for equality. What you truly want is the right to discriminate with no repercussions. Sure lets level the playing field with just words, but lets not use any checks and balances. Lets just throw it to the wind. Yeah okay, how did that work in the 50s through the 80s.

And nick yes more blacks per percentage of the population are on welfare. But fact remains the notion of blacks as the face of welfare is a joke. A person on welfare is a person on welfare. Unless a black person being on welfare is worse than a white person being on welfare. Last time I check the percentage is not drawing a check, its an individual.

 

[xj0hnx]

What you truly want is the right to discriminate with no repercussions.

That's just a dumb statement.

And nick yes more blacks per percentage of the population are on welfare. But fact remains the notion of blacks as the face of welfare is a joke. A person on welfare is a person on welfare. Unless a black person being on welfare is worse than a white person being on welfare. Last time I check the percentage is not drawing a check, its an individual.

What I would like to see are the statistics on people that stay on welfare as a lifestyle, as opposed to getting it to get back on their feet and then getting off.

 

[peonyu]

If you're black, you're screwed in general because the majority is white. The government helps you out because you are a minority AND because your forefathers were once enslaved.

If you're white, doesn't matter how poor you are, you have the advantange in the majority of situations.

Is that really such a hard concept to understand? Really?

Which hippy textbook did you rip those ideals from. They have been around since the 60s [im not old but had to sit through enough college/politicalcorrectnessindoctrination classes in the 90s]. Anyways...That was very true in the 60s / 70s when white people literally did control everything. Nowadays? Thats a stretch. Infact, id say if any white person in a management position [or other] shows racism he is screwed. That is a open ticket to lawsuits from every angle. It doesnt matter if its Burger King or Microsoft, white racism would be on the news. That is why Affirmitive action is in place, its a business way of avoiding lawsuits [that is the truth behind it, business wise].

Black racism, hispanic racism is hardly ever on the news. And part of it is because of the hippy concepts from the 60s are still being preached as though we live in the 60s. Ie- racism = you must have the power to be racist and white people have all the power...So only white people can be racist. That was BS in the 60s to an extent, but definately not true at all today.

As for the majority bit, white people are around 65% of the population. Majority overall, yes. But in the areas where it counts [read where the money is] it isnt true. NYC is a minority-majority city. LA is minority-majority. Miami which I live 15 minutes from is 90% latino. White people are minorities there, and believe it or not, yes it is harder to get a job being white [in miami] atleast than it would be if you were the majority group there [latino]. Thats racism but you never hear about it...So yep, I believe your line of defense that white people are racist/have all the power because of that slight majority status is bullshit these days.

So how many white people want to be the minority white person in the factory of black people? Or the only white guy working at an Indian restaurant?

I have a feeling that the Black businesses that employ mostly black or minorities do so because... they don't have a lot of choice.

You could swap white people to black people or Indian and get the same result. Maybe the Indians are all working at a Indian restaurant because they dont want to be a minority. It doesnt change the fact that they are not required to hire other races of people. And theres little info on your question but im pretty sure many people have been turned down from working in a minority business since they dont fit the race they were looking for.

 

[MJinZ]

Which hippy textbook did you rip those ideals from. They have been around since the 60s [im not old but had to sit through enough college/politicalcorrectnessindoctrination classes in the 90s]. Anyways...That was very true in the 60s / 70s when white people literally did control everything. Nowadays? Thats a stretch. Infact, id say if any white person in a management position [or other] shows racism he is screwed. That is a open ticket to lawsuits from every angle. It doesnt matter if its Burger King or Microsoft, white racism would be on the news. That is why Affirmitive action is in place, its a business way of avoiding lawsuits [that is the truth behind it, business wise].

Black racism, hispanic racism is hardly ever on the news. And part of it is because of the hippy concepts from the 60s are still being preached as though we live in the 60s. Ie- racism = you must have the power to be racist and white people have all the power...So only white people can be racist. That was BS in the 60s to an extent, but definately not true at all today.

As for the majority bit, white people are around 65% of the population. Majority overall, yes. But in the areas where it counts [read where the money is] it isnt true. NYC is a minority-majority city. LA is minority-majority. Miami which I live 15 minutes from is 90% latino. White people are minorities there, and believe it or not, yes it is harder to get a job being white [in miami] atleast than it would be if you were the majority group there [latino]. Thats racism but you never hear about it...So yep, I believe your line of defense that white people are racist/have all the power because of that slight majority status is bullshit these days.



You could swap white people to black people or Indian and get the same result. Maybe the Indians are all working at a Indian restaurant because they dont want to be a minority. It doesnt change the fact that they are not required to hire other races of people. And theres little info on your question but im pretty sure many people have been turned down from working in a minority business since they dont fit the race they were looking for.

Yea, I'm not even going to bother wasting my breath when you claim that only 65% of Americans are white. Lol.🙄

 

[Train]

Yea, I'm not even going to bother wasting my breath when you claim that only 65% of Americans are white. Lol.🙄

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_demographics_of_the_United_States

Population projections by a Census Bureau report (2008)

Race.................... 2008 2050
Non-Hispanic whites 68% 46%
Hispanic (of any race) 15 % 30%
Non-Hispanic blacks 12% 15%
Asian American 5% 9%

 

[xj0hnx]

Yea, I'm not even going to bother wasting my breath when you claim that only 65% of Americans are white. Lol.🙄

Yea, wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your breathing.

 

[CitizenKain]

Which hippy textbook did you rip those ideals from. They have been around since the 60s [im not old but had to sit through enough college/politicalcorrectnessindoctrination classes in the 90s]. Anyways...That was very true in the 60s / 70s when white people literally did control everything. Nowadays? Thats a stretch. Infact, id say if any white person in a management position [or other] shows racism he is screwed. That is a open ticket to lawsuits from every angle. It doesnt matter if its Burger King or Microsoft, white racism would be on the news. That is why Affirmitive action is in place, its a business way of avoiding lawsuits [that is the truth behind it, business wise].

Black racism, hispanic racism is hardly ever on the news. And part of it is because of the hippy concepts from the 60s are still being preached as though we live in the 60s. Ie- racism = you must have the power to be racist and white people have all the power...So only white people can be racist. That was BS in the 60s to an extent, but definately not true at all today.

As for the majority bit, white people are around 65% of the population. Majority overall, yes. But in the areas where it counts [read where the money is] it isnt true. NYC is a minority-majority city. LA is minority-majority. Miami which I live 15 minutes from is 90% latino. White people are minorities there, and believe it or not, yes it is harder to get a job being white [in miami] atleast than it would be if you were the majority group there [latino]. Thats racism but you never hear about it...So yep, I believe your line of defense that white people are racist/have all the power because of that slight majority status is bullshit these days.

You could swap white people to black people or Indian and get the same result. Maybe the Indians are all working at a Indian restaurant because they dont want to be a minority. It doesnt change the fact that they are not required to hire other races of people. And theres little info on your question but im pretty sure many people have been turned down from working in a minority business since they dont fit the race they were looking for.

What a giant load of shit.