Steam

[RandomFool]

Originally posted by: PsharkJF
Basically, I hate steam because it's taken a 4 year old game that would have ran like butter on WON and made it about half as fast on Steam.

Edit: and the teleporter was the worst idea to grace tfc since demos had 4 mirvs

Edit 2: if you disagree, you've never played in a clan match

TFC ran fine under steam for me. I never noticed a difference in speed.

I'm not a fan of the teleporter, but last time i played TFC they yelled at me for ovo or something weird. I used to love that game.

 

[Xylitol]

I think its good
No hackin in secure servers
Only problem is when the steam servers get bottle-necked and then
consumers lose their purchases like what happend with half-life 2

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: Shadowknight

Whats wrong with steam is people are morons. Comeone whinning about 1% CPU power, Go STFU and cry in the corner you little baby! WAHHH!! If your PC is slow enough that 1$ hurts it get a better PC! I leave all kinds of crap running while im play CS:S and it doesnt hurt/affect my gameplay.

Yes, I'm a whiner because I don't want system resources being deverted to a program I didn't want running in the first place :roll: . As to CS:S, compare that to FEAR in terms of demand on your PC, then get back to me. I like running games at 1600x1200, with as many options turned on as possible, so yes, I want every scrap of power available to my games. Troll.

Ever heard of offline mode?

Considering I don't feel like having to unplug my net connection to run it in off-line mode, yes, it's still a piece of crap.

You dont have unplug your connection to run in offline mode, you just make it run in offline mode. There is an option for it. And I play more games than CS:S Its just that is a steam game so I used it as an example. I play my games at 1680x1050 with all options maxed and steam doesnt hurt gameplay performance, I leave trillian running, azureus, my logitech kb/mouse software, antivirus, etc...... And it doesnt affect performance

But you still have to be connected for the first time you install the game. For single player mode. How fvcked up is that?
When I bought Age of Empires 3, I installed it and was playing in single player mode instantly. I didn't have to screw around with steam settings and port forwarding and whatnot.

Boo Fvcking hooo.... You people are just too anal!

LOL no
We're just not moronic fan girls of a piece of crap software

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: Shadowknight

Whats wrong with steam is people are morons. Comeone whinning about 1% CPU power, Go STFU and cry in the corner you little baby! WAHHH!! If your PC is slow enough that 1$ hurts it get a better PC! I leave all kinds of crap running while im play CS:S and it doesnt hurt/affect my gameplay.

Yes, I'm a whiner because I don't want system resources being deverted to a program I didn't want running in the first place :roll: . As to CS:S, compare that to FEAR in terms of demand on your PC, then get back to me. I like running games at 1600x1200, with as many options turned on as possible, so yes, I want every scrap of power available to my games. Troll.

Ever heard of offline mode?

Considering I don't feel like having to unplug my net connection to run it in off-line mode, yes, it's still a piece of crap.

You dont have unplug your connection to run in offline mode, you just make it run in offline mode. There is an option for it. And I play more games than CS:S Its just that is a steam game so I used it as an example. I play my games at 1680x1050 with all options maxed and steam doesnt hurt gameplay performance, I leave trillian running, azureus, my logitech kb/mouse software, antivirus, etc...... And it doesnt affect performance

But you still have to be connected for the first time you install the game. For single player mode. How fvcked up is that?
When I bought Age of Empires 3, I installed it and was playing in single player mode instantly. I didn't have to screw around with steam settings and port forwarding and whatnot.

Boo Fvcking hooo.... You people are just too anal!

LOL no
We're just not moronic fan girls of a piece of crap software

Im not a fan of the software, LOL. By no means. I am neither for it nor against it. I just dont see any negatives with it. No reason to fuss. The company wanted to use it so they did...... It hasent ever bothered me so there is nothing wrong with it IMO.

 

[shelaby]

Although i do dispise steam, i do have to admit, it SEEMED like a good idea, but they never really made it work.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: Shadowknight

Whats wrong with steam is people are morons. Comeone whinning about 1% CPU power, Go STFU and cry in the corner you little baby! WAHHH!! If your PC is slow enough that 1$ hurts it get a better PC! I leave all kinds of crap running while im play CS:S and it doesnt hurt/affect my gameplay.

Yes, I'm a whiner because I don't want system resources being deverted to a program I didn't want running in the first place :roll: . As to CS:S, compare that to FEAR in terms of demand on your PC, then get back to me. I like running games at 1600x1200, with as many options turned on as possible, so yes, I want every scrap of power available to my games. Troll.

Ever heard of offline mode?

Considering I don't feel like having to unplug my net connection to run it in off-line mode, yes, it's still a piece of crap.

You dont have unplug your connection to run in offline mode, you just make it run in offline mode. There is an option for it. And I play more games than CS:S Its just that is a steam game so I used it as an example. I play my games at 1680x1050 with all options maxed and steam doesnt hurt gameplay performance, I leave trillian running, azureus, my logitech kb/mouse software, antivirus, etc...... And it doesnt affect performance

But you still have to be connected for the first time you install the game. For single player mode. How fvcked up is that?
When I bought Age of Empires 3, I installed it and was playing in single player mode instantly. I didn't have to screw around with steam settings and port forwarding and whatnot.

Boo Fvcking hooo.... You people are just too anal!

LOL no
We're just not moronic fan girls of a piece of crap software

Im not a fan of the software, LOL. By no means. I am neither for it nor against it. I just dont see any negatives with it. No reason to fuss. The company wanted to use it so they did...... It hasent ever bothered me so there is nothing wrong with it IMO.

You don't see any negatives with it? How about if you want to sell your copy of Half Life 2 for starters. Then theres the fact that you have to connect to the internet at least the first time just to play in single player mode. Then theres the nightmare setup problems if you don't have a simple setup (modem hooked up to your PC directly). Theres also the system resources being used up by this piece of crap program when it's completely unnecessary. Theres a lot more but if you claim to not see any negatives about it, you either haven't thought this through or you keep your eyes closed

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

http://forums.anandtech.com/categories.aspx?catid=33&flcache=5490568&entercat=y

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Nik
http://forums.anandtech.com/categories.aspx?catid=33&flcache=5490568&entercat=y

Hi Nik! *waves*

 

[PingSpike]

I also like that through virtue of the distribution network more of the money I pay for the game goes to the developers instead of some faceless publisher that adds starforce to the disks and does advertising.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: Shadowknight

Whats wrong with steam is people are morons. Comeone whinning about 1% CPU power, Go STFU and cry in the corner you little baby! WAHHH!! If your PC is slow enough that 1$ hurts it get a better PC! I leave all kinds of crap running while im play CS:S and it doesnt hurt/affect my gameplay.

Yes, I'm a whiner because I don't want system resources being deverted to a program I didn't want running in the first place :roll: . As to CS:S, compare that to FEAR in terms of demand on your PC, then get back to me. I like running games at 1600x1200, with as many options turned on as possible, so yes, I want every scrap of power available to my games. Troll.

Ever heard of offline mode?

Considering I don't feel like having to unplug my net connection to run it in off-line mode, yes, it's still a piece of crap.

You dont have unplug your connection to run in offline mode, you just make it run in offline mode. There is an option for it. And I play more games than CS:S Its just that is a steam game so I used it as an example. I play my games at 1680x1050 with all options maxed and steam doesnt hurt gameplay performance, I leave trillian running, azureus, my logitech kb/mouse software, antivirus, etc...... And it doesnt affect performance

But you still have to be connected for the first time you install the game. For single player mode. How fvcked up is that?
When I bought Age of Empires 3, I installed it and was playing in single player mode instantly. I didn't have to screw around with steam settings and port forwarding and whatnot.

Boo Fvcking hooo.... You people are just too anal!

LOL no
We're just not moronic fan girls of a piece of crap software

Im not a fan of the software, LOL. By no means. I am neither for it nor against it. I just dont see any negatives with it. No reason to fuss. The company wanted to use it so they did...... It hasent ever bothered me so there is nothing wrong with it IMO.

You don't see any negatives with it? How about if you want to sell your copy of Half Life 2 for starters. Then theres the fact that you have to connect to the internet at least the first time just to play in single player mode. Then theres the nightmare setup problems if you don't have a simple setup (modem hooked up to your PC directly). Theres also the system resources being used up by this piece of crap program when it's completely unnecessary. Theres a lot more but if you claim to not see any negatives about it, you either haven't thought this through or you keep your eyes closed

- Can't sell it - sure you can, just give sell your account info and hand it over. Like selling an account in an MMORPG or something.

- Why is connecting to the internet such a big deal? I'm sure you have an always-on connection. What about it ACTUALLY bothers you, or is it just the principle of the matter?

- Nightmare problems if you don't have a modem hooked up directly to your NIC? I'm behind a router at home that is connected to a jack upstairs. No problems at all, never even needed to open any ports.

- Resource hog. Show me proof that the game will run AT LEAST 5 fps faster without Steam running and then I'll agree with that one. It doesn't use much...

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: dabuddha

You don't see any negatives with it? How about if you want to sell your copy of Half Life 2 for starters. Then theres the fact that you have to connect to the internet at least the first time just to play in single player mode. Then theres the nightmare setup problems if you don't have a simple setup (modem hooked up to your PC directly). Theres also the system resources being used up by this piece of crap program when it's completely unnecessary. Theres a lot more but if you claim to not see any negatives about it, you either haven't thought this through or you keep your eyes closed

- Can't sell it - sure you can, just give sell your account info and hand it over. Like selling an account in an MMORPG or something.

- Why is connecting to the internet such a big deal? I'm sure you have an always-on connection. What about it ACTUALLY bothers you, or is it just the principle of the matter?

- Nightmare problems if you don't have a modem hooked up directly to your NIC? I'm behind a router at home that is connected to a jack upstairs. No problems at all, never even needed to open any ports.

- Resource hog. Show me proof that the game will run AT LEAST 5 fps faster without Steam running and then I'll agree with that one. It doesn't use much...

Why should I have to give my account information over? Why the hell should I even have to have an account for a single player game?

Again, why should I have to connect to the internet in order to play a single player game which I bought from the store? Not just that but there was the dreaded "Server authentication Failed" error. Here are some more wonderful errors from the great Steam:

pic1
pic2

I have a fairly simple setup (modem ----- wireless router ----- access point ------ switch ------ PC) and the damned thing would not work for the longest time. Even people here couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. I had another PC that was hooked up to the wireless router and was able to connect. But my gaming pc could not connect to Steam's wonderful service. Even Steam tech support was clueless. It took me days before I finally got it working.

Proof really isn't necessary. The point is, why should I be forced to run an extra program just to play a single player game which I purchased. What's the point of having the extra program run and take up my resources? As for "proof" about steam being a resource hog, here's a link to an article about steam's use of resources
Link

You can see that steam was using up 41 meg of memory. That doesn't seem like a significant amount to you?

 

[Fenixgoon]

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: dabuddha

You don't see any negatives with it? How about if you want to sell your copy of Half Life 2 for starters. Then theres the fact that you have to connect to the internet at least the first time just to play in single player mode. Then theres the nightmare setup problems if you don't have a simple setup (modem hooked up to your PC directly). Theres also the system resources being used up by this piece of crap program when it's completely unnecessary. Theres a lot more but if you claim to not see any negatives about it, you either haven't thought this through or you keep your eyes closed

- Can't sell it - sure you can, just give sell your account info and hand it over. Like selling an account in an MMORPG or something.

- Why is connecting to the internet such a big deal? I'm sure you have an always-on connection. What about it ACTUALLY bothers you, or is it just the principle of the matter?

- Nightmare problems if you don't have a modem hooked up directly to your NIC? I'm behind a router at home that is connected to a jack upstairs. No problems at all, never even needed to open any ports.

- Resource hog. Show me proof that the game will run AT LEAST 5 fps faster without Steam running and then I'll agree with that one. It doesn't use much...

Why should I have to give my account information over? Why the hell should I even have to have an account for a single player game?

Again, why should I have to connect to the internet in order to play a single player game which I bought from the store? Not just that but there was the dreaded "Server authentication Failed" error. Here are some more wonderful errors from the great Steam:

pic1
pic2

I have a fairly simple setup (modem ----- wireless router ----- access point ------ switch ------ PC) and the damned thing would not work for the longest time. Even people here couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. I had another PC that was hooked up to the wireless router and was able to connect. But my gaming pc could not connect to Steam's wonderful service. Even Steam tech support was clueless. It took me days before I finally got it working.

Proof really isn't necessary. The point is, why should I be forced to run an extra program just to play a single player game which I purchased. What's the point of having the extra program run and take up my resources? As for "proof" about steam being a resource hog, here's a link to an article about steam's use of resources
Link

You can see that steam was using up 41 meg of memory. That doesn't seem like a significant amount to you?

Ohhh NOOOOOESSS 41mb of memory????? WTF 41mb isnt even 5% of my total memory...

But whatever...

 

[CFster]

Works great for me.

 

[UTmtnbiker]

DISCLAIMER
Not a comment about steam, but VAC

NO HACKING???!!!??? That's a new one. VAC is a joke. It's about as porous as it gets.

Wall hacks, speed hacks, aimbots, they're all there. Just need to find a good server with strong admins to boot those guys.

Originally posted by: Xylitol
I think its good
No hackin in secure servers
Only problem is when the steam servers get bottle-necked and then
consumers lose their purchases like what happend with half-life 2

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: dabuddha

You don't see any negatives with it? How about if you want to sell your copy of Half Life 2 for starters. Then theres the fact that you have to connect to the internet at least the first time just to play in single player mode. Then theres the nightmare setup problems if you don't have a simple setup (modem hooked up to your PC directly). Theres also the system resources being used up by this piece of crap program when it's completely unnecessary. Theres a lot more but if you claim to not see any negatives about it, you either haven't thought this through or you keep your eyes closed

- Can't sell it - sure you can, just give sell your account info and hand it over. Like selling an account in an MMORPG or something.

- Why is connecting to the internet such a big deal? I'm sure you have an always-on connection. What about it ACTUALLY bothers you, or is it just the principle of the matter?

- Nightmare problems if you don't have a modem hooked up directly to your NIC? I'm behind a router at home that is connected to a jack upstairs. No problems at all, never even needed to open any ports.

- Resource hog. Show me proof that the game will run AT LEAST 5 fps faster without Steam running and then I'll agree with that one. It doesn't use much...

Why should I have to give my account information over? Why the hell should I even have to have an account for a single player game?

Again, why should I have to connect to the internet in order to play a single player game which I bought from the store? Not just that but there was the dreaded "Server authentication Failed" error. Here are some more wonderful errors from the great Steam:

pic1
pic2

I have a fairly simple setup (modem ----- wireless router ----- access point ------ switch ------ PC) and the damned thing would not work for the longest time. Even people here couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. I had another PC that was hooked up to the wireless router and was able to connect. But my gaming pc could not connect to Steam's wonderful service. Even Steam tech support was clueless. It took me days before I finally got it working.

Proof really isn't necessary. The point is, why should I be forced to run an extra program just to play a single player game which I purchased. What's the point of having the extra program run and take up my resources? As for "proof" about steam being a resource hog, here's a link to an article about steam's use of resources
Link

You can see that steam was using up 41 meg of memory. That doesn't seem like a significant amount to you?

Well he said he uses Azureus, so his views on memory use might be slightly skewed.

And I call BS that you can play an online FPS while having a torrent running. Unless you like 500ms pings, or have some uber connection.

 

[TallBill]

I've used steam on multiple pcs over the years.

Common problems:
It freezes up. - Never had that problem.
You buy a game and it doesn't show up. - Never had that one
If you can't login, you can't play. - Nope, that that one either.

I love steam because I like not having game cd's. I can download and login to steam on any pc and download and play my games. Its awesome.

 

[wfbberzerker]

for me? nothing.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Nik
http://forums.anandtech.com/categories.aspx?catid=33&flcache=5490568&entercat=y

It's about good goddam time.

 

[secretanchitman]

even if you are suspected of cheating and you arent cheating at all, you get banned and theres NO WAY to get your account/key back.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: ndee
Just purchased Counter Strike Source and I have to say, if more games would be available like that and are also around $20, I'm sure as hell would buy more games.

flame away

omg ndee is not who he says he is!!

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
even if you are suspected of cheating and you arent cheating at all, you get banned and theres NO WAY to get your account/key back.

Wrong. If suspected of cheating on a server, you'll be banned from that server. However, if their VAC system detects firm evidence of cheating, then you'll lose your account.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: dabuddha

You don't see any negatives with it? How about if you want to sell your copy of Half Life 2 for starters. Then theres the fact that you have to connect to the internet at least the first time just to play in single player mode. Then theres the nightmare setup problems if you don't have a simple setup (modem hooked up to your PC directly). Theres also the system resources being used up by this piece of crap program when it's completely unnecessary. Theres a lot more but if you claim to not see any negatives about it, you either haven't thought this through or you keep your eyes closed

- Can't sell it - sure you can, just give sell your account info and hand it over. Like selling an account in an MMORPG or something.

- Why is connecting to the internet such a big deal? I'm sure you have an always-on connection. What about it ACTUALLY bothers you, or is it just the principle of the matter?

- Nightmare problems if you don't have a modem hooked up directly to your NIC? I'm behind a router at home that is connected to a jack upstairs. No problems at all, never even needed to open any ports.

- Resource hog. Show me proof that the game will run AT LEAST 5 fps faster without Steam running and then I'll agree with that one. It doesn't use much...

Why should I have to give my account information over? Why the hell should I even have to have an account for a single player game?

Again, why should I have to connect to the internet in order to play a single player game which I bought from the store? Not just that but there was the dreaded "Server authentication Failed" error. Here are some more wonderful errors from the great Steam:

pic1
pic2

I have a fairly simple setup (modem ----- wireless router ----- access point ------ switch ------ PC) and the damned thing would not work for the longest time. Even people here couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. I had another PC that was hooked up to the wireless router and was able to connect. But my gaming pc could not connect to Steam's wonderful service. Even Steam tech support was clueless. It took me days before I finally got it working.

Proof really isn't necessary. The point is, why should I be forced to run an extra program just to play a single player game which I purchased. What's the point of having the extra program run and take up my resources? As for "proof" about steam being a resource hog, here's a link to an article about steam's use of resources
Link

You can see that steam was using up 41 meg of memory. That doesn't seem like a significant amount to you?

Ohhh NOOOOOESSS 41mb of memory????? WTF 41mb isnt even 5% of my total memory...

But whatever...

LOL You think that 41 MB of memory is not alot for a program that isn't even necessary and is a hindrance? You must have tons of spyware and other crap running on your pc or you're an idiot. I'll let you pick whichever one you like

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: dabuddha

You don't see any negatives with it? How about if you want to sell your copy of Half Life 2 for starters. Then theres the fact that you have to connect to the internet at least the first time just to play in single player mode. Then theres the nightmare setup problems if you don't have a simple setup (modem hooked up to your PC directly). Theres also the system resources being used up by this piece of crap program when it's completely unnecessary. Theres a lot more but if you claim to not see any negatives about it, you either haven't thought this through or you keep your eyes closed

- Can't sell it - sure you can, just give sell your account info and hand it over. Like selling an account in an MMORPG or something.

- Why is connecting to the internet such a big deal? I'm sure you have an always-on connection. What about it ACTUALLY bothers you, or is it just the principle of the matter?

- Nightmare problems if you don't have a modem hooked up directly to your NIC? I'm behind a router at home that is connected to a jack upstairs. No problems at all, never even needed to open any ports.

- Resource hog. Show me proof that the game will run AT LEAST 5 fps faster without Steam running and then I'll agree with that one. It doesn't use much...

Why should I have to give my account information over? Why the hell should I even have to have an account for a single player game?

Again, why should I have to connect to the internet in order to play a single player game which I bought from the store? Not just that but there was the dreaded "Server authentication Failed" error. Here are some more wonderful errors from the great Steam:

pic1
pic2

I have a fairly simple setup (modem ----- wireless router ----- access point ------ switch ------ PC) and the damned thing would not work for the longest time. Even people here couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. I had another PC that was hooked up to the wireless router and was able to connect. But my gaming pc could not connect to Steam's wonderful service. Even Steam tech support was clueless. It took me days before I finally got it working.

Proof really isn't necessary. The point is, why should I be forced to run an extra program just to play a single player game which I purchased. What's the point of having the extra program run and take up my resources? As for "proof" about steam being a resource hog, here's a link to an article about steam's use of resources
Link

You can see that steam was using up 41 meg of memory. That doesn't seem like a significant amount to you?

I asked if you had any REAL problem with connecting to the net to play an SP game, or if it was just the principle that made you mad. You gave no reason, you just said Again, why should I have to connect to the internet in order to play a single player game which I bought from the store?

With it being so difficult to make it work for your setup, yes, that does suck, but I'm sure it wouldn't be so difficult today. They had a lot of problems with routers and such initially.

41 MB. Well, whether its 41 megs or not, it doesn't affect me when I'm not playing, because I close Steam, and while I am playing, I get no problems. And if I have a fairly average computer. So if you had 512 megs of memory, I could see the complaint. Why you care with a gig or 2, though, I have no idea. You might say that's a lot of mem, but is it hindering your game-playing at all?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Nik
http://forums.anandtech.com/categories.aspx?catid=33&flcache=5490568&entercat=y

It's about good goddam time.

Sorry I was preoccupied