Steam: Invasive crap software

[surfsatwerk]

Steam proves to be a massive headache to a legitimate customer and fanbois come out to defend Steam.

Pirates lawl as they play the same game with no asinine requirements.

Typical Steam-related thread.

Really? My experience with the subject makes the crap that shipped with Bioshock seem like a warm embrace.

Modifying .inf files, mounting images with Deamon Tools, I could go on and on about all the hassle pirating games makes you deal with.

 

[lord_emperor]

Really? My experience with the subject makes the crap that shipped with Bioshock seem like a warm embrace.

Modifying .inf files, mounting images with Deamon Tools, I could go on and on about all the hassle pirating games makes you deal with.

THOSE THINGS ARE HARD!!!1111oneoenoe

 

[mb]

The reality is that 99.9% of Steam users have zero problems with it. Steam has millions of users. A complaint will crop up on here every once in a while. Search online, you might find hundreds of complaints. Maybe even thousands. Out of the millions of users. The rest of us enjoy a nearly flawless system.

When people do have a problem, like the OP, they rage hard act like it's the end of the world, even though the problem is most likely their fault or their ISPs fault.
The shit you can read on the Steam forums is hilarious sometimes. A bit off topic, but I remember a thread one time about a guy bitching about how is account was compromised even though he used all the best practices. 20 pages later someone noticed the guy had screenshots in his gallery of him using a wall hack in CS. LOL - yeah pal, that is all Valve's fault you downloaded a hack tool with a virus!

 

[KeithTalent]

This thread just get better and better each time I check it

Heh, this. Lot's of dumb dumb, ignorance, and paranoia floating around here.

KT

 

[surfsatwerk]

THOSE THINGS ARE HARD!!!1111oneoenoe

And we're comparing this to the hassle I experience with Steam... oh wait there isn't any ever since I purchased Half Life 2 at release.

 

[TallBill]

...and even then, A LOT of console games now almost REQUIRE patches and updates to work correctly, or fix launch day bugs and glitches. Sure the game will "work", but will be bugged and flawed in many cases to be almost unplayable.

And try fixing/patching those problems with a dial-up connection.

No they don't. You're making shit up.

 

[gothamhunter]

Hmm...responses are slowing down. Here, I'll help!

OMG STEAM IS THE BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO GAMING AND I NEVER HAVE ANY PROBLEMS AND IF YOU DO YOU'RE A MORON.

or on the other side:

OMG STEAM IS A POS PIECE OF SPYWARE THAT DESTROYS MY GAMES AND SLOWS EVERYTHING DOWN AND I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD LIKE IT


/discuss

 

[surfsatwerk]

Hmm...responses are slowing down. Here, I'll help!

OMG STEAM IS THE BEST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO GAMING AND I NEVER HAVE ANY PROBLEMS AND IF YOU DO YOU'RE A MORON.

or on the other side:

OMG STEAM IS A POS PIECE OF SPYWARE THAT DESTROYS MY GAMES AND SLOWS EVERYTHING DOWN AND I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD LIKE IT


/discuss

Obviously a problem with Windows.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Josh, thanks for the suggestions, but the question remains: why is it acceptable consumers that companies require this sort of jumping through hoops to play an offline game?

Did someone force you to buy the game in question?

 

[cronos]

Obviously a problem with Windows.

No. Mac sucks.

 

[SMOGZINN]

No they don't. You're making shit up.

Yes they do.

Here is a partial list of games that had a day one patch just this year:

Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Skyrim
Crysis 2
Crackdown
Battlefield 3
Dead Island
Migh & Magic Heroes 3
Witcher 2
Hard Reset
Dark Souls
Brink
Rage
Resistance 3
Wasteland Angel
SOCOM 4
Gears of War 3
MLB 2k11
Anno 2070
Total War: Shogun 2
Killzone 3
Arkham City

This was just a spot check of games published this year. Most telling is there was not a single game I pulled out of the list of games published this year that did not have a day one patch.

 

[irishScott]

Yes they do.

Here is a partial list of games that had a day one patch just this year:

Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Skyrim
Crysis 2
Crackdown
Battlefield 3
Dead Island
Migh & Magic Heroes 3
Witcher 2
Hard Reset
Dark Souls
Brink
Rage
Resistance 3
Wasteland Angel
SOCOM 4
Gears of War 3
MLB 2k11
Anno 2070
Total War: Shogun 2
Killzone 3
Arkham City

This was just a spot check of games published this year. Most telling is there was not a single game I pulled out of the list of games published this year that did not have a day one patch.

He was talking about console games.

 

[TallBill]

Yes they do.

Here is a partial list of games that had a day one patch just this year:

Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Skyrim
Crysis 2
Crackdown
Battlefield 3
Dead Island
Migh & Magic Heroes 3
Witcher 2
Hard Reset
Dark Souls
Brink
Rage
Resistance 3
Wasteland Angel
SOCOM 4
Gears of War 3
MLB 2k11
Anno 2070
Total War: Shogun 2
Killzone 3
Arkham City

This was just a spot check of games published this year. Most telling is there was not a single game I pulled out of the list of games published this year that did not have a day one patch.

Hah, sure games have patches. I know for a fact that Skyrim was 100% playable without the day1 patch and not "broken" and it is one of the buggiest games out there.

I also know for a fact that MLB 2k11 was 100% playable without the day one patch. Would home runs not always register in center field, sure, but it wasn't unplayable.

I'm perfectly fine with patches and updates. This isn't programming for the NES anymore, games are ridiculously complex and if I lived somewhere without the internet, my last worries would be about playing video games.

If you live in the fucking boonies it is by choice and you should probably just stick to the outdoorsman lifestyle that you have put upon yourself.

 

[KaOTiK]

He was talking about console games.

A fair number of those are console exclusive he listed and nearly all the rest are multiplatform.

 

[SMOGZINN]

He was talking about console games.

Fair enough, I missed that. The list I used was of computer games, not console games. I would point out that a lot of those games are console games with a PC port, and the console version needed a day one patch as well.

Hah, sure games have patches. I know for a fact that Skyrim was 100% playable without the day1 patch and not "broken" and it is one of the buggiest games out there.

I also know for a fact that MLB 2k11 was 100% playable without the day one patch. Would home runs not always register in center field, sure, but it wasn't unplayable.

I'm perfectly fine with patches and updates. This isn't programming for the NES anymore, games are ridiculously complex and if I lived somewhere without the internet, my last worries would be about playing video games.

If you live in the fucking boonies it is by choice and you should probably just stick to the outdoorsman lifestyle that you have put upon yourself.

You replied saying 'No they don't. You're making shit up.' to the statement

A LOT of console games now almost REQUIRE patches and updates to work correctly, or fix launch day bugs and glitches. Sure the game will "work", but will be bugged and flawed in many cases to be almost unplayable.

Not to the statement that they need patches to be playable at all. I consider a baseball game that doesn't count some of my home runs to be nearly unplayable. I consider the texture issue with Skyrim on the 360 to be almost unplayable.
Not actually unplayable, but annoying enough that I don't want to play.

 

[TallBill]

Sigh, the texture glitch only occurs if you install to the HD, and was never claimed to be fixed by the day one patch. (And possibly not by the 1.2 patch either even though it was claimed to be fixed)

You don't even know your facts, why bother continuing on with this thread?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Since it somehow isn't clear to you, its not BECAUSE he dislikes Steam that he is being berated, its because of his attitude. If he wanted to learn about Steam, get advice on how to use Steam, figure out the tips and tricks to Steam, and he did so in a calm and respectful manner, he wouldn't have received anywhere near the amount of negative responses. I think hes getting what he deserves, and I imagine the mods do too (though they may have other reasons for not 'policing' this thread). When you make an offensive title to your thread and then fill it with angry, uninformed, belligerent content, this is the kind of response you get. It doesn't help that he still hasn't backed down from his position, and continues to act like Steam is some piece of shit software that was seemingly developed for the sole purpose of pissing him off, despite the numerous responses detailing the positive features and benefits of Steam.

Basically I agree with you, but why should the user have to figure out the "tips and tricks" to use steam effecitvely. They are making a buttload of money, even though they do give is a good deal on older games also. In that way it is win/win I guess. But I think a company as dominant if their field as Steam should make the user experience as transparent and uncomplicated as possible.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Steam has never caused me a headache. I literally won't purchase games anywhere else. It gives me a friends list that can overlay over my games with voice chat, syncs my save games to the cloud.... I could go on and on. I love Steam. It gives me a massive hard on, which I will use to murder you anti-steam infidels.

If that lasts more than 4 hours, seek professional help to avoid permanent injury.

 

[TallBill]

:awe:

 

[ImpulsE69]

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If you live in the fucking boonies it is by choice and you should probably just stick to the outdoorsman lifestyle that you have put upon yourself.

And then there are those who should just have their internet rights revoked.

I'm waiting for the Apple version of the PC software distribution system called iOWNURA$$. All hell will break lose with all the fanboi hate.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Holy hell this thread has derailed beyond all recognition.

 

[Raduque]

Sadly, there really isn't anything that's an "offline game" anymore - this is the way things are going, because online games are easier to monetize than true "offline" games that don't talk to a server, ever.

You didn't purchase the game. You purchased a license to use the software that is the game. The license has restrictions, one of which is that steam is required to execute software. Get over it or don't play the game.

Licenses agreements are bullshit.

Patience young padawan, you don't seem to understand what physically purchasing the game means. See, you get this DVD to install it from. It's really quite handy when a piece of software that has nothing to do with the game uninstalls it without your permission.

While you're at it, tell me where it says "STEAM REQUIRED".

http://www.amazon.com/Elder-Scrolls-...2677474&sr=8-1

Requires internet connection and free steam account to activate

I can Screenshot it too, if you'd like.

You got on steam's bad side and posted something you shouldn't have in the forums, and now you and all your games are banned and you end up with nadda... NOT AWESOME!!

This doesn't happen with Steam - the forums and Steam accounts are completely separate. Only happens with EA because they link all accounts.

 

[Childs]

And then there are those who should just have their internet rights revoked.

I'm waiting for the Apple version of the PC software distribution system called iOWNURA$$. All hell will break lose with all the fanboi hate.

You mean something other than the App Store? :biggrin:

 

[Dumac]

Oh my god. Are you joking? This is the worst reasoning I've seen. Lets see..

Not being able to play games you "bought", since you can't get into offline mode because it requires you to be online... NOT AWESOME!!

No it doesn't. I've used offline mode 4 times without internet access. It worked every time.

Pirates who didn't buy a damn thing, yet they can play the game any time they want... NOT AWESOME!!

This has nothing to do with steam? It is completely irrelevant and a non-issue. Also doesn't cracking a steamworks game required a lot of work, and is only possible after release on steam? I remember the console versions were leaked way befor ethe release date, while the PC wasn't.

Steam going bust, and now, all those games you "bought" are worthless... NOT AWESOME!!

Not happening any time soon, and Valve already stated that this scenario wouldn't occur, as they would unlock the games.

Someone hijacks your account, and now you lost all your games that you "bought" while steam looks into this... NOT AWESOME!!

Again, this is irrelevant of steam? Even if you bought a physical copy, it could still be stolen. Hell, I've been mugged, people I've known been mugged, apartments broken into, etc, but I've yet to know anyone who lost their steam account. Not to mention with steam, you have a good chance of getting it back through customer service, where if your physical version got stolen then you'd be out of luck.

Reinstalling a game that steam backed up for you, and not being able to play it, even if you are in offline mode... NOT AWESOME!!

I don't even know what this sentence means. it doesn't make sense.

You got on steam's bad side and posted something you shouldn't have in the forums, and now you and all your games are banned and you end up with nadda... NOT AWESOME!!

This doesn't happen. EA was the one who does that. Steam forums use a separate account system, don't they?

Face it, steam is a glorified rental service

Yes, where you rent it indefinately, which is practically the same as owning.

true, it does have advantages, and most of the time it does work well

Only truth in this post

but at times when you don't have a reliable ISP

Offline mode works fine for me

or something happens to your account

That is what the support forums is for

or piss off steam in another way, then you can never play the software you rented

Again, this doesn't happen.

Then of course, we got steam DRM on top of more DRM on top of yet even more DRM that some publishers do, which is really fun, especially if each of those requires you to be online at some point.

Yes, that sucks. For example, I don't buy games that require GFWL on STEAM, since who wants DRM in DRM?

If steam wanted to, they could stop this, but they don't really care, since they just blame the publisher.

No they can't. They are a distributor. They can't change what the developers/publishers do with their games.

 

[hooflung]

I bought a boxed copy of Fall Out New Vegas. My friend was staying over so when I was at work he installed it on my living room PC. He was signed in to his steam. Steam bound that game to his Steam account. My game is now his.

Since when was a game I payed for at the brick and mortar supposed to phone home and bind to a Steam account and that considered 'ok' by consumers. I'd rather have a Disk Check. The Disk is effectively, for broadband owners, worth a lot less after an initial install. In fact, I can now DL the game off of Steam as an added bonus. So long as my friend is logged in.