[steam] Hardware survey now provides more info

[Firestorm007]

This is will be AMD fans dream image tonight, and Nvidia fans nightmare.....:sneaky:

 

[Keysplayr]

I'm sure they are all salivating and quaking in their boots respectively, FireStorm.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I'm salivating in my boots. Yes I have a problem.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I've already explained to you the inaccuracy of that statement. Please go read the book I recommended so that I don't have to keep correcting you.

No, you made a poorly disguised personal attack, with no aguments.
Not the same thing.
I still remember your posts, just as little useless as this tidbit.

Appeal to a book isn't an argument.
An argument you make yourself...I see none of that.

 

[MrK6]

No, you made a poorly disguised personal attack, with no aguments.
Not the same thing.
I still remember your posts, just as little useless as this tidbit.

Appeal to a book isn't an argument.
An argument you make yourself...I see none of that.

I already made it, but you conveniently ignore it or duck out of a thread whenever you're confronted or asked to prove your point. So let's revist: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32779735&postcount=206

And where's that statistical proof you owe the forum since you insist the Steam hardware survey is a valid source of data?

 

[Lonbjerg]

I already made it, but you conveniently ignore it or duck out of a thread whenever you're confronted or asked to prove your point. So let's revist: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32779735&postcount=206

And where's that statistical proof you owe the forum since you insist the Steam hardware survey is a valid source of data?

I don't "owe" anything.
You show me a survey that has 40 million poeple being polled...I bet you you will have a hard time finding a poll with +1000 polls.
I think you should read the "book" you are trying to hide behind yourself...

 

[MrK6]

I don't "owe" anything.

Yes you do. You asserted that the Steam survey is a valid resource, now you have to back that up.

You show me a survey that has 40 million poeple being polled...I bet you you will have a hard time finding a poll with +1000 polls.

Are you sure 40 million people are being polled? It might just people in employ by Valve. Or their second cousins only? Or the people of Bangor, ME? How are they being polled? Is it random? Is it opt in (like it used to be)? How did they choose their sample size? What power are you using to insist that this is a valid survey? When was their stratification process (or was there one at all?)? Since you seem to insist that this survey is a valid resource, my only assumption is that you know all of this. Please share it.

Or

right now, Steam is giving us a page of random percentages without any data or analysis to back it up, and you're asserting that it means something. Prove it.

I think you should read the "book" you are trying to hide behind yourself...

I don't need to; I actually understand statistics. Also, please don't conveniently duck out of this thread now, as you have the habit of doing.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Yes you do. You asserted that the Steam survey is a valid resource, now you have to back that up.
Are you sure 40 million people are being polled? It might just people in employ by Valve. Or their second cousins only? Or the people of Bangor, ME? How are they being polled? Is it random? Is it opt in (like it used to be)? How did they choose their sample size? What power are you using to insist that this is a valid survey? When was their stratification process (or was there one at all?)? Since you seem to insist that this survey is a valid resource, my only assumption is that you know all of this. Please share it.

Or

right now, Steam is giving us a page of random percentages without any data or analysis to back it up, and you're asserting that it means something. Prove it.
I don't need to; I actually understand statistics. Also, please don't conveniently duck out of this thread now, as you have the habit of doing.

How large does your "expetise" say the errormargin is?

All you do is whine..and try and take me down the slippery road of moving the goalposts....not interested.

If it's that simple...post the math and prove me wrong.

Otherwise: /mental ignore.

 

[MrK6]

How large does your "expetise" say the errormargin is?

All you do is whine..and try and take me down the slippery road of moving the goalposts....not interested.

If it's that simple...post the math and prove me wrong.

Otherwise: /mental ignore.

So after so defiantly shooting down the reading I recommended to you, you show you don't have a clue after all. I'm not sure there's anything I can say really that isn't already in what you posted: you don't know how statistics work, when asked to participate in a basic discussion regarding them to prove or explain your own assertions, you can't, and you're ignorant enough to reject any attempts to learn more about the subject. Stop posting in these threads, every time you do, I'm going to reference this post.

 

[Lonbjerg]

So after so defiantly shooting down the reading I recommended to you, you show you don't have a clue after all. I'm not sure there's anything I can say really that isn't already in what you posted: you don't know how statistics work, when asked to participate in a basic discussion regarding them to prove or explain your own assertions, you can't, and you're ignorant enough to reject any attempts to learn more about the subject. Stop posting in these threads, every time you do, I'm going to reference this post.

And I too...for the total lack of counter-proof
You presented nothing...Steam presents data.
BIG difference.

 

[MrK6]

And I too...for the total lack of counter-proof
You presented nothing...Steam presents data.
BIG difference.

Data with no backing or proof. What's so unclear about that? If you want to use a resource, the burden of proof relies on you to prove its validity. Would you quote a dog in a paper and then ask the journal to prove your dog wrong? Your argument is as ridiculous.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Data with no backing or proof. What's so unclear about that? If you want to use a resource, the burden of proof relies on you to prove its validity. Would you quote a dog in a paper and then ask the journal to prove your dog wrong? Your argument is as ridiculous.

So the data is just pulled from thin air??!
This is tiresome :thumbsdown:
/mental ignore

 

[MrK6]

So the data is just pulled from thin air??!

How did you get that? In statistics, data collection methods are just as important as the data analysis. Again, if you knew even a shred about statistics or had some humility and read up on it, you would know this.

This is tiresome :thumbsdown:
/mental ignore

There we are! Conveniently ducking out of a thread once you've been proven wrong and your agenda is ridiculous to the point of hilarity. Like I said, every time you start this, I'm just going to keep posting references to these smackdowns.

 

[blastingcap]

Saw this article posted in the PC gaming section, thought it was interesting.

Is Valve a game developer that makes a little side money doing game distribution--or the reverse??? I don't know what their revenue/expense or profit numbers are, but I have suspected for a long time now that they are really a game distribution company that does some game development on the side.

 

[Arkadrel]

The problem with Steam, is that its survey is a pop up thingy,
that you can choose to answear or choose not to.

Does the person with the nvidia 440 gt, answear it as much as someone who bought a 580? for his epeen?

The highend card users, are more likely to want to take the survey, than the lowend users. They dont have anything to brag about. I think this results in faulty at best, estimates at the highend vs lowend.

 

[tviceman]

jibberish

Hmmmm says the guy spending $1000+ every 18 months of video cards. :thumbsup:

 

[Madcatatlas]

Not sure why you are even discussing this if the parameters of the "survey" arent made clear/evident and are easy to check/control.

 

[Grooveriding]

Hmmmm says the guy spending $1000+ every 18 months of video cards. :thumbsup:

Well at least you laid off the creepy and stalking type posts. Now you're just worried about my disposable income, an improvement at least.

 

[Pantalaimon]

Any one know how Steam handle a situation where some one like me has Steam on several different machines with different cards but under the same account?

 

[tincart]

Statistical data is only valid if the methodology and raw data is either published along with it, or made available, so that others may confirm results.

Otherwise, one is stuck relying on the authority of Valve and assuming the veracity of the numbers. Insisting that the numbers are accurate by virtue of their coming from Valve is a veiled argument from authority.

 

[soccerballtux]

I'd like to see the numbers of people running integrated graphics even after they bought a discrete video card.

 

[SirPauly]

This is will be AMD fans dream image tonight, and Nvidia fans nightmare.....:sneaky:

Welcome the data in Steam in the future.

 

[SirPauly]

Imho,

Valid? Valid in what context?

For forums, it is fun and offers a gauge of sorts for comparing one's choice and its popularity - valid in this context.

But, it certainly isn't valid for total sales from the company and one may look to Jon Peddie or Mercury Research.

 

[tincart]

Imho,

Valid? Valid in what context?

Valid as evidence or support for any claims regarding the real world. The only thing you can prove using Steam numbers is that the Steam numbers say x.

 

[SirPauly]

I would agree with you!