States that Can't Pay for themselves

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The Golden State, which recently scrambled to fill a $15 billion budget gap, still may not be able to meet its payroll without help.

California is going to Washington, D.C., to ask for $7 billion to cover its budget shortfall. Otherwise it won't be able to pay for its teachers, cops, firemen, and other essential services. Unfortunately, California won't be alone. A number of other states are experiencing a huge dive in tax revenue and could be going cap in hand to Uncle Sam alarmingly soon. How bad could it get? The potential cost for all the 31 states facing both major and minor shortfalls could be as much as $53.4 billion.

The data is based on a study by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities released at the end of September and shows the states that have seen the biggest shortfalls in tax revenue in their fiscal 2009 budgets.

California
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 22%
Gap: $22.2 billion

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger warned this week that the state might need to borrow $7 billion from the federal government, if credit markets don't ease, to pay for salaries and other operating costs. The state, which has been battered by falling home prices and foreclosures, enacted a budget that imposed cuts to the state's health insurance program for the poor and other social service programs.

Arizona
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 19.9%
Gap: $2 billion

Arizona was hit hard by the subprime crisis, and its economy has slowed significantly since mid-2006. Lawmakers, who had to make up a $2 billion budget shortfall for fiscal 2009, reduced the Medicaid rolls, put a freeze on hiring, and cut funding for community health centers and state universities.

Florida
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 19.9%
Gap: $5.1 billion

The Florida housing slump is one of the worst in the nation and only appears to be getting worse. The $66 billion Florida budget for the coming year is about $6 billion less than the one approved the previous year. It includes a $332 million reduction in public school spending and cuts to state hospitals, nursing homes, and various social programs.

Nevada
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 16%
Gap: $1.2 billion

Nevada has the worst foreclosure rate in the nation, and its economy has slowed dramatically this year. The governor capped the state's children's health program and increased children's health-care premiums, and cut funding for K-12 education, higher education, and welfare.

Rhode Island
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 13.1%
Gap: $430 million

Rhode Island's economy has been weakened by its housing market, one of the worst in the nation. Lawmakers are trying to make up for a $430 million shortfall in their budget with proposed cuts to the public college system and aid for municipalities, as well as tighter limits on welfare benefits.

New York
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 9.8%
Gap: $5.5 billion

New York, which had a $4.9 billion budget gap, faced an additional $630 million shortfall after the budget was enacted. The state made cuts to the health insurance program for low-income families, froze hiring, and enacted tax and fee increases.

Alabama
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 9.5%
Gap: $784 million

Alabama closed some corporate tax loopholes, and made cuts to colleges and universities.

Georgia
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 8.7%
Gap: $1.8 billion

The state's economy has been impacted by a slowing housing market. The governor has asked state agencies to cut 4% to make up an expected shortfall in the $21 billion budget for the coming fiscal year.

New Jersey
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 7.7%
Gap: $2.5 billion

The state's economic slump is due to the weak housing market and rising inflation. The state legislature passed a $32.8 billion budget that is $600 million less than last year's budget. New Jersey plans to trim the budget by offering early-retirement incentives for state employees and through attrition.

Maryland
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 7.2%
Gap: $1.1 billion

Maryland enacted a $1.35 billion tax increase in late 2007, which (along with $277 million in budget cuts passed by the General Assembly) is designed to help address the state's deficit. However, a continuing economic weakness has led to an additional $270 million gap, which is likely to be addressed by further spending cuts.



California and Massachusetts might be only the first of many to ask for a bailout. It's rather interesting to see anti-business states suffer while pro-business states like Virginia rake in the cash.
 

sactoking

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Nevada is hardly 'anti-business'. You're looking at one of the top-3 most business-friendly states there, with Texas.

Edit: Had included Maryland in there originally. I was thinking of Delaware. (Seriously, the NE needs less small, irrelevant states so it's easy for people to tell them apart. RI, Delaware, Vermont.... do we REALLY need those states???)
 
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Part of CA's need for a loan from the Federal Government was because credit markets have frozen up and they can't sell bonds easily.
 

OFFascist

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Fuck em. Governments need to budget just like individuals. Its too bad the feds dont budget well either.
 

techs

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Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut it and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

There's a reason they call them Red states!
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

Yes! Techs is right. We need a civil war. Slaughter the unproductive!

I always knew you were a Republican in disguise. :heart:
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

There's a reason they call them Red states!

pass the joint plz
 

techs

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

Yes! Techs is right. We need a civil war. Slaughter the unproductive!

I always knew you were a Republican in disguise. :heart:


Well, let's not go that far. How about showing them how to create good jobs and productive citizens so the donor states don't have to support them?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

Yes! Techs is right. We need a civil war. Slaughter the unproductive!

I always knew you were a Republican in disguise. :heart:


Well, let's not go that far. How about showing them how to create good jobs and productive citizens so the donor states don't have to support them?

Is it not just fucking obvious to you that you are bitching and complaining about a system you so adamantly support?
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut it and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

There's a reason they call them Red states!

and the red states send 100s in billions in resources and brain drain to california and the NE through the internal mercantile system set up in this country in the 1700s the effects of which continue through to today.



not to mention that the credit markets are frozen due to california's housing market. if californians and their banks hadn't been completely retarded getting their interest only loans for 2 million dollar shacks we wouldn't be in this mess.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.
-snip-

I'm pretty states don't send other states money.

Can you link up some proof for that assertion?

TIA

Fern
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.
-snip-

I'm pretty states don't send other states money.

Can you link up some proof for that assertion?

TIA

Fern

he's talking about where federal dollars are spent vs where they are collected
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: sactoking
Nevada is hardly 'anti-business'. You're looking at one of the top-3 most business-friendly states there, with Texas.

Edit: Had included Maryland in there originally. I was thinking of Delaware. (Seriously, the NE needs less small, irrelevant states so it's easy for people to tell them apart. RI, Delaware, Vermont.... do we REALLY need those states???)

afaik Nevada also has no income tax. A reduction in property values hurts their intake.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

Yes! Techs is right. We need a civil war. Slaughter the unproductive!

I always knew you were a Republican in disguise. :heart:


Well, let's not go that far. How about showing them how to create good jobs and productive citizens so the donor states don't have to support them?


haha what a novel concept. Now apply that to other parts of the social industrial complex.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

Yes! Techs is right. We need a civil war. Slaughter the unproductive!

I always knew you were a Republican in disguise. :heart:


Well, let's not go that far. How about showing them how to create good jobs and productive citizens so the donor states don't have to support them?

Is it not just fucking obvious to you that you are bitching and complaining about a system you so adamantly support?

The guy professes his love for wealth redistribution on an almost daily basis. And now he complains because it is a blue state giving to a red state? And big lol at him.

 

glenn1

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Topic Title: States that Can't Pay for themselves

Let those states raise their taxes to fill the hole, it's the platform they typically advocate and vote for anyway. You've got plenty of rich people out there in CA anyway who can easily afford to pay a lot more than the 9.3% top marginal rate on taxable income of $44,819 and above.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Topic Title: States that Can't Pay for themselves

Let those states raise their taxes to fill the hole, it's the platform they typically advocate and vote for anyway. You've got plenty of rich people out there in CA anyway who can easily afford to pay a lot more than the 9.3% top marginal rate on taxable income of $44,819 and above.

This really isn't about Taxes, Tax Revenue short falls, or sudden Increases in Spending. It's about the Loss of what was a stable source of Funding that has suddenly dried up. That occured because of the sudden lack of Credit in the Economy.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

There's a reason they call them Red states!

pass the joint plz
Ya know, you might have found a way for CA to become solvent. Legalize Pot!
 

OFFascist

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Originally posted by: sandorski
This really isn't about Taxes, Tax Revenue short falls, or sudden Increases in Spending. It's about the Loss of what was a stable source of Funding that has suddenly dried up. That occured because of the sudden lack of Credit in the Economy.

I'd hardly consider "credit" to be a "source of funding."

Credit is something you need to pay back sooner or later.

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

There's a reason they call them Red states!

pass the joint plz
Ya know, you might have found a way for CA to become solvent. Legalize Pot!

Thanks to big federal government, they can't even do that.
 

Elias824

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Glad I live in good old red utah, Ive been offerd 2 jobs this week. I dont think were gonna see as many problems as the rest of the country
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

There's a reason they call them Red states!

pass the joint plz
Ya know, you might have found a way for CA to become solvent. Legalize Pot!

Thanks to big federal government, they can't even do that.
GOD DAMN THEM TO HELL!!! LOL:laugh:

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: techs
Bullshit!
If states like California, New York, New Jersey, etc weren't sending 100's of BILLIONS every year to the dirt poor, low wage recipient states they would have huge surpluses.

Why don't you blame the states that can't cut and only survive due to the productive states, which by the way, are in high tax, high services, high union areas?

There's a reason they call them Red states!

pass the joint plz
Ya know, you might have found a way for CA to become solvent. Legalize Pot!

Thanks to big federal government, they can't even do that.
GOD DAMN THEM TO HELL!!! LOL:laugh:

:D
 

nageov3t

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my only real beef is with welfare states that suck up money from other states without putting any effort into making money themselves (ie: no state income tax, no sales tax, etc)