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Zorba

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Big landlord bad, small land lord good? Lol
Corporate money flooding into single family and small multifamily definitely push prices up. 0% interest in a booming economy also pushed prices way up.

That being said, the solution to built more housing. And prevent housing from being turned into hotels in the vast majority of places.
 
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BoomerD

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You had one major egg producer with record profits because they were the one producer not impacted. Their profits dropped as other producers recovered. Sorry no conspiracy found.


 
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Zorba

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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Constant threat of nuclear war, overt menacing of us and our allies from a terrorist authoritarian government with millions unwilling to stand up for themselves, and 2 years of economic upheaval is a lot more disruptive to us than the horrible losses from COVID, masking up and not going out as much.
really? please point them out.
Here you go.
 
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Corporate money flooding into single family and small multifamily definitely push prices up. 0% interest in a booming economy also pushed prices way up.
The real estate market is humongous, and it's just a fraction of the entire market. But they also only do it because restricted supply was already driving prices to the moon. Stick it to Wall Street by supporting the building of more housing.
 
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Except, besides may be one person here, nobody has said that. I mean you people just keep making this shit up in your heads. It's bonkers.
Please. This whole thread is people arguing over "great" or "better" vs dismissing that under the idea that "people still suffering, so we can't play up anything good".
 
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Zorba

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Also, direct stimmy checks are perhaps the most memorable. But enhanced UI and the CTC were incredibly beefy payouts.
I think enhanced UI is a big reason we are seeing the massive increases in lower end pay now. People got used to getting more money and demanded it to go back to work.
 

MrSquished

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Please. This whole thread is people arguing over "great" or "better" vs dismissing that under the idea that "people still suffering, so we can't play up anything good".
that's literally not what's happening here overall at all. I'm blown away.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Here you go.
Goddamn with this again.

I've only ever spoken in this thread about economics, not 'Biden's America'. Biden's done a great fucking job and we're far better off today overall than anywhere in the last 8 years, at least.

All I've been saying is that shit costs more and as far as I can tell, wages aren't keeping up. I guess I'm just hallucinating at literally all my family, coworkers, and random internet posts, memes, etc citing the exact same thing.
 

BoomerD

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Goddamn with this again.

I've only ever spoken in this thread about economics, not 'Biden's America'. Biden's done a great fucking job and we're far better off today overall than anywhere in the last 8 years, at least.

All I've been saying is that shit costs more and as far as I can tell, wages aren't keeping up. I guess I'm just hallucinating at literally all my family, coworkers, and random internet posts, memes, etc citing the exact same thing.

I haven't worked in over 20 years, but I can damned sure say my social security COLA increases aren't keeping up with inflation and higher COL. I know I'm not alone in this.
From my perspective, the higher prices started during COVID. Food shortages in stores, food producers who weren't able to actually produce...whether they were shut down by gov't mandate...or because they got hit with COVID, same with building materials and just about everything. Then, as has been mentioned, folks who were"enjoying" the enhanced UI benefits and didn't want to take pay cuts to go back towirk...forcing employers to increase pay. (Plus, lot got education/training so they could get better jobs)
 
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Zorba

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The real estate market is humongous, and it's just a fraction of the entire market. But they also only do it because restricted supply was already driving prices to the moon. Stick it to Wall Street by supporting the building of more housing.
You you got to my post before my edit. The solution is to build more housing.

Likewise we should stick it to the car manufactures and road building industry by building more walkable/public transitable cities. Which means more density.
 
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Zorba

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Goddamn with this again.

I've only ever spoken in this thread about economics, not 'Biden's America'. Biden's done a great fucking job and we're far better off today overall than anywhere in the last 8 years, at least.

All I've been saying is that shit costs more and as far as I can tell, wages aren't keeping up. I guess I'm just hallucinating at literally all my family, coworkers, and random internet posts, memes, etc citing the exact same thing.
Sorry, you said 2020 was better than today. It's just purely fucking delusional.
 

BoomerD

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You you got to my post before my edit. The solution is to build more housing.

Likewise we should stick it to the car manufactures and road building industry by building more walkable/public transitable cities. Which means more density.
Where do you build more housing? Many places are already wall to wall homes. Are you suggesting forcing people out of single family homes to build apartment types of homes?
 

ivwshane

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I shouldn’t need to tell you why posting stories about things that happened more than ten years ago is irrelevant to the current discussion.
 
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Where do you build more housing? Many places are already wall to wall homes. Are you suggesting forcing people out of single family homes to build apartment types of homes?
Plenty of places could easily support more housing if we wanted to change the rules. Not everything needs to be some 2500 sqft McMansion. Simply allow people to build duplexes through sixplexes/townhomes in areas where you just want more mild density, and in cities, many of which have huge swaths of land zoned for detached single family homes, just start allowing mid- and high-rises being allowed by right. In the places where people want to live, we need tens to hundreds of thousands of more units.

If you want to keep living in a single family home, you're free to do that. We should just stop making it the only legal option for what can be built.
 

Zorba

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Where do you build more housing? Many places are already wall to wall homes. Are you suggesting forcing people out of single family homes to build apartment types of homes?
There is land almost everywhere, including in Manhattan. Massively reform zoning, and developers will buy single family homes above fair market value, and redevelop them into multifamily.

In my city, near our "downtown" area, a developer is buying up a bunch of single family on large lots and replacing them with "Skinny" homes. Increasing density ~5x, still single family.
 
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There is land almost everywhere, including in Manhattan. Massively reform zoning, and developers will buy single family homes above fair market value, and redevelop them into multifamily.

In my city, near our "downtown" area, a developer is buying up a bunch of single family on large lots and replacing them with "Skinny" homes. Increasing density ~5x, still single family.
There are also plenty of other benefits to zoning reform: uniform rules that don't require variances or special permission means we cut off the corruption gravy train at the local level. It no longer becomes "who you know" when you want to build something to improve your property.
 
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Where do you build more housing? Many places are already wall to wall homes. Are you suggesting forcing people out of single family homes to build apartment types of homes?
No one is suggesting forcing anyone out of their homes. It’s totally unnecessary. What we want is that when someone buys a piece of land they can build any kind of home they want on it. As things currently stand in most places building anything other than single family homes bias is banned.
 

HomerJS

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I have a lot of family in Florida and they think the economy is bad because their home insurance rates have skyrocketed. Price increases in various services often for more localized reasons are getting translated into pessimism about the broader economy.
Has anyone told them the real reason home insurance rates have shot up?

Would they believe it?
 
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MrSquished

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Where do you build more housing? Many places are already wall to wall homes. Are you suggesting forcing people out of single family homes to build apartment types of homes?

There are plenty of places to build new homes. There are tons of places in the crowded NY suburbs where train stations have a lot of parking lots near them or zoned for such low density. Most especially near transit there should be higher density housing and no open land. If you want parking, build a multi-story deck or on the bottom of buildings. Investors can buy buildings from people and then build more density. You don't have to force people out, people sell their homes or buildings daily, except the new buildings are too limited, due to zoning.

But the outlook is bleak. Hochul actually tried to do rezoning but she got so much pushback from local politicians from both parties it was impossible to pass via the state legislature, they didn't want to piss off their constituents.

Living in a fifteen minute city/neighborhood is amazing. I've done both the suburban and the 15 minute neighborhood, which I'm in now. The 15 minute neighborhood is amazing. More people should have the option as people are waking up and realizing this is very desirable, being slaves to a car is a piss poor way to live.
 

BoomerD

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You know how shit works. Joe Developer buys a house or two in a neighborhood...wants to build some kind of mega-condo project...gets the city to change zoning rules to permit it. Then, when homeowners refuse to sell...he gets the city to file emminent domain for the holdouts. Does it haapn regularly? Hopefully not...but it happens.
 
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