State of the Union 2024

[eelw]

Hehe new poll. The “double haters” is currently at 19%. But Biden is winning the less hated at 45-33

 

[HomerJS]

Remember the line Biden said Pubs are showing up for signing ceremonies in their districts having voted NO on the legislation? He said, “If you do t want the money let me know”

My suggestion: Whenever White House makes a local appearances to tout legislation make really large buttons with the words “I voted Yes”. Only get the button if you voted for it.

 

[DaaQ]

I think he was playing for the camera, just like Pelosi did at times and one time in particular. The difference is she had a better reason to perform her slights. I don't have an issue with it honestly, everyone takes advantage of being in the spotlight. I hate that delusional, insurrection lovin, holy roller prick, but at least he kept his mouth shut.

I'd like to see the Sgt at Arms and friends start responding to people like Marge Traitor Green with their speedy removal, regardless of position or office held. The POTUS is making his address. Either offer applause or remain silent, your choice, but you can save the disrespectful spewing of horseshit for your next Fox Noise appearance. First offense gets you a warning, argue and you get kicked out. Second offense lands you in the brig.

I agree, it was said at least in the Senate no hats are allowed. The ex senator wasn't sure on house rules, but it still ia a bad look. She should have been made to remove it or be removed herself.

I have never been inside a courtroom that allows hats to be worn. I cannot see the House Floor to be any different.

 

[purbeast0]

I didn't watch the whole thing but my favorite line I heard was when he said "You can't love you country only when you win!"

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[Brainonska511]

I didn't watch the whole thing but my favorite line I heard was when he said "You can't love you country only when you win!"

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Some people just want a dictatorship, they just don't want to say it out loud.

 

[HomerJS]

Katie. The gift that will keep giving for a long time.

 

[HomerJS]

They feel that the hairstyle is "distracting"

They feel the student being black is distracting

 

[HomerJS]

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[kage69]

Seems about right to me.

In my life, it seems like the American people elect the Democrats to fix things...like the economy. Then, once things are going well, aRepublican comes along, says tbe right things to get elected...things go to shit again...then in 4 or 8 years, the people wlect a Democrat to fix things...and the cycle repeats itself.

Yep. Dems build economies, repugs ruin them. Dems want to talk about solutions, repugs respond with bad faith negotiating and hostage taking tactics. Dems target inequity and poverty, repugs obstruct, actively develop and implement policies that increase both. Dems want to strengthen democracy, GQP won't stop trying to cripple it, even going so far as to vote against certifying valid election results because their crybaby couldn't handle the stomping he received.

 

[Indus]

Yep. Dems build economies, repugs ruin them. Dems want to talk about solutions, repugs respond with bad faith negotiating and hostage taking tactics. Dems target inequity and poverty, repugs obstruct, actively develop and implement policies that increase both. Dems want to strengthen democracy, GQP won't stop trying to cripple it, even going so far as to vote against certifying valid election results because their crybaby couldn't handle the stomping he received.

There's a saying.. no fort's walls are strong enough if they have a traitor inside.

It's beyond time for a national divorce and some moving on with our lives!

 

[Brainonska511]

There's a saying.. no fort's walls are strong enough if they have a traitor inside.

It's beyond time for a national divorce and some moving on with our lives!

You realize that there are substantial populations of liberal-leaning people in "red" states, right? And "blue" states have substantial numbers of conservative-leaning people. Advocating for a national divorce, especially when you live in a "blue" state just shows your utter contempt for those people that would be left in conservative paradises. Maybe you envision some way to move those people out of those states - but then you just have created a humanitarian crisis of mass ethnic cleansing to move them from their homes in this process. Frankly, the whole thought exercise is pretty gross.

 

[Indus]

You realize that there are substantial populations of liberal-leaning people in "red" states, right? And "blue" states have substantial numbers of conservative-leaning people. Advocating for a national divorce, especially when you live in a "blue" state just shows your utter contempt for those people that would be left in conservative paradises. Maybe you envision some way to move those people out of those states - but then you just have created a humanitarian crisis of mass ethnic cleansing to move them from their homes in this process. Frankly, the whole thought exercise is pretty gross.

If migrants can reach USA travelling across oceans and walking through jungles in South America.. maybe you underestimate just how resilient people with determination can be.

And in this country's history we've had the Great Migration.

So would life really be terrible if we actually could give them a better life if they could just reach it??



And oh.. maybe if they could fake texican spanish.. they could get free bus rides courtesy of Abbot??

 

[manly]

You realize that there are substantial populations of liberal-leaning people in "red" states, right? And "blue" states have substantial numbers of conservative-leaning people. Advocating for a national divorce, especially when you live in a "blue" state just shows your utter contempt for those people that would be left in conservative paradises. Maybe you envision some way to move those people out of those states - but then you just have created a humanitarian crisis of mass ethnic cleansing to move them from their homes in this process. Frankly, the whole thought exercise is pretty gross.

It's functionally impossible and would also undo Abraham Lincoln's greatest achievement of keeping the Union intact.

Only morons would propose a "national divorce."

 

[Brainonska511]

If migrants can reach USA travelling across oceans and walking through jungles in South America.. maybe you underestimate just how resilient people with determination can be.

And in this country's history we've had the Great Migration.

So would life really be terrible if we actually could give them a better life if they could just reach it??



And oh.. maybe if they could fake texican spanish.. they could get free bus rides courtesy of Abbot??

The Great Migration - people fleeing the south because of an extended period of Jim Crow and domestic terrorism isn't the flex you think it is.

We can also look to give people a better life by nationally supporting policies that give them a better life, instead of telling them, "get fucked, but if you happen to be able to scrape up the means to uproot your life, you're welcome to join us".

 

[Indus]

It's functionally impossible and would also undo Abraham Lincoln's greatest achievement of keeping the Union intact.

Only morons would propose a "national divorce."

Did you look at the party of Lincoln recently?

I'd say his greatest achievements mean jack shit to them!

But hey I'm a Xennial who believes in YOLO so why not be happy and be with who you want to be with rather than be forced to live a life of misery!

 

[Indus]

We can also look to give people a better life by nationally supporting policies that give them a better life, instead of telling them, "get fucked, but if you happen to be able to scrape up the means to uproot your life, you're welcome to join us".

I think you're losing a grip on reality here and trying to imagine a utopia when the reality is.. 15 years after Obamacare.. a lot of states still haven't opted in and there are zero signs they're going to.

If that doesn't tell you you can't change them.. nothing will.

Ever hear the saying.. the more things change.. the more they stay the same!

 

[manly]

Yep, millions died in the American Civil War so future Xennials could say "fuck it, we give up. You guys fought for nothing."

 

[soulcougher73]

According to the Census the median household in 1950 made between $3,000 and $3,999. (of course $3,999 actually takes you up to the 64th percentile so it's probably more like $3,500 for the 50th)

Income of Families and Persons in the United States: 1950

Distribution of families and unrelated individuals by total money income, for the United States, urban and rural.

www.census.gov

Being as generous as possible let's say the median American household made $4,000 in 1950. Adjusting for inflation we end up with roughly $52,500 in 2024 dollars.

CPI Inflation Calculator

Real median household income in the US for 2023 is estimated to be about $77,000. So that's about a 32% increase. Now estimates are hard and I'm sure everyone has slightly different methodologies but I think by any reasonable metric it is clear that the average American is much better off.

Only thing id like to add to these numbers is that 1950s number is probably single income earner household, while the 2023 is most certainly a two income earner household. If that is true, than we are behind?

 

[Indus]

Yep, millions died in the American Civil War so future Xennials could say "fuck it, we give up. You guys fought for nothing."

That is ANCIENT HISTORY.. ffs we can't even remember recent history that Russkies are not our friends!

 

[Indus]

@manly

You're going to have to come to terms with one of our political parties has decided that a weaker shithole America where people have no rights and no hope of success is better for them as then they can peddle grieve politics than a strong America where everyone has rights and a way to make dreams come true.

 

[Brainonska511]

I think you're losing a grip on reality here and trying to imagine a utopia when the reality is.. 15 years after Obamacare.. a lot of states still haven't opted in and there are zero signs they're going to.

If that doesn't tell you you can't change them.. nothing will.

I'm not the one with delusions of breaking the country apart. You're the one that would rather give up and condemn millions of people to some sort of conservative hellscape and create 2 countries irreparably diminished.



As for the ACA, for Medicaid expansion, a lot of states have since opted-in. There are still some hold outs, but that gets chipped away with time. And for anyone above the Medicaid cutoffs, people don't need to rely on their states opting in.

Ever hear the saying.. the more things change.. the more they stay the same!

And that's just a saying. If you've been paying attention, things have gotten measurably better over time. Are they perfect? No. Is there still work to be done? Absolutely.

 

[Zorba]

I am very, very familiar with the struggle of workers on the bottom of the scale, I know a lot of them.

I almost want to read your posts at the leftist open mic, and explain to them how they're all doing great based on your calculations. We don't get a lot of comedy acts.

Considering Democrats apparently aren't ever allowed to talk about successes, while Republicans claim success 24/7, how exactly are we supposed to convince people to support Democrats? There will always be problems, there will always be poor people. Why is it not okay to say we have incredibly low unemployment and rapidly raising my lower end wages, while still wanting to do more to help the poor?

The average person is more likely to be employed today that 4 years ago. The average low income employee is more likely to have higher real wages. Multifamily housing starts are at record highs. The average person is more likely to be in union than 4 years years ago. Yes, there are still issues, but that doesn't mean the economy sucks.

 

[Indus]

I'm not the one with delusions of breaking the country apart. You're the one that would rather give up and condemn millions of people to some sort of conservative hellscape and create 2 countries irreparably diminished.

If I were to use an analogy since this is a computer forum..

You're telling me Macintosh is holy, sacred and should be worshiped and preserved

And I'm telling you it's a Mac-in-TRASH! And we need to come up with a better computer like maybe a power pc and eventually an Imac!

 

[fskimospy]

Only thing id like to add to these numbers is that 1950s number is probably single income earner household, while the 2023 is most certainly a two income earner household. If that is true, than we are behind?

Nope. Personal income is also dramatically higher. I linked it earlier in the thread. We are just a lot richer.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

If I were to use an analogy since this is a computer forum..

You're telling me Macintosh is holy, sacred and should be worshiped and preserved

And I'm telling you it's a Mac-in-TRASH! And we need to come up with a better computer like maybe a power pc and eventually an Imac!

I’ll just arrogantly speak for the forum and say this analogy makes no fucking sense.