State Farm is retarded....

aphex

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So just before Christmas I was t-boned in my dad's Mini Cooper S, the car was basically totaled (as far as we could tell) as the entire right side of the car was destroyed and the axel was snapped.

We call State Farm three times to confirm that we can bring the car to a Mini dealer to get fixed, and all three times they confirm that although the dealer isn't a preferred shop, the only difference is that they have to send an adjuster out rather than have someone already on site to give an estimate and that payment for parts would be in the form of a check, rather than an electronic transfer.

The mini dealer called us around two weeks ago to let us know they estimated the damages at $5,000, but didn't put it up on a lift so couldn't tell if there was more damage underneath. State Farm said thats how its usually done, then later down the line they throw it up on a lift and assess the damage there. Stupid if you ask me, but whatever. They said they would order all the parts and would start working as soon as they arrived.

Well today my dad calls the dealer just to check on the status and is told "Well we got all the used parts in, but we couldn't find a used door so you will need to pay us $2,000 for a new door as State Farm won't pay for new parts"

So we call State Farm and hear for the first time "Well we only allow preferred shops to use new parts and since you took it to a non-preferred shop, we won't pay for it" - Something that was never told to us the previous three calls we made to them on the subject. Grrr...

Well fine then, my dad calls a local "preferred" shop and has them pick up the car from the Mini dealer before they start any work. While he's on the phone, the "preferred" shop says to my dad: "Finding used parts for the Mini is always very very difficult for us - so its likely that we'll just use mostly new parts for your car as State Farm will pay for them..."

How retarded is that? At the Mini Dealer, who HAD used parts for almost everything except the door, State Farm wouldn't pay for a single new part. Now at the "preferred" auto shop, they will likely use mostly new parts which will likely be significantly MORE expensive.

Fine by us, if we can get away with mostly new parts. But stupid on their part if you ask me.
 

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insurance companys dont operate with logic, they exist to fuck people in the ass and make things as difficult as they possibily can
 

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
kickbacks

they make the world go 'round

:beer:

Only downside for us is that now the car has been sitting there for two weeks without a single thing being fixed and we only have about 1 more week of a paid rental car.
 

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Originally posted by: Anubis
insurance companys dont operate with logic, they exist to fuck people in the ass and make things as difficult as they possibily can

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Vette73

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What state? Most states have rules/laws against what they did/said to your father. They hav eno control over where you take it and if there are no used/like new parts then they HAVE to pay for new.

Contact your state insurance rep, if your state has one, and file a complaint.
 

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That is rather silly of them. Here in Michigan, it is illegal for service shops to use used parts for insurance repairs.

I might point out, though, that those preferred shops have deasl with State farm the benifits both parties, so state farm's costs may be the same, or even less.
 

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
What state? Most states have rules/laws against what they did/said to your father. They hav eno control over where you take it and if there are no used/like new parts then they HAVE to pay for new.

Contact your state insurance rep, if your state has one, and file a complaint.

Florida... I'm searching right now... From what I recall, they can use used parts, but they are required to be from car no older than the one being fixed, and in at least as good condition as they were prior to the accident.

Its gotta be hard to find parts from a 2005-2007 Mini Cooper S
 

slag

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Originally posted by: Anubis
insurance companys dont operate with logic, they exist to fuck people in the ass and make things as difficult as they possibily can

thats not always true.

My wife is an adjuster for an insurance company and you'd be amazed at what people try to get away with. Stupid shit like after a hail storm with non damaging hail, she'll get 3 claims from people with hail damage on their vehicles. Clearly theyve gone around with a ball peen hammer and made the dents while skipping things like trim pieces (yes, in a hailstorm the trim gets hit also), large spider softtball cracks in windshields when pea sized hail was coming down, dents with broken paint (normal hail rarely breaks paint, just makes the dents), etc

I really love it when people dont read their coverage (that they signed their name to), and then open claims for shit that isnt covered. Then they wonder why its denied and go off on her.

People are stupid and try to screw the system all the time. Insurance people exist to try to keep people honest. No wonder premiums are so expensive...
 

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You may be confusing 'used' with 'aftermarket'. 'Used' means used. "Aftermarket' means manufactured by someone other than the vehicle's manufacturer. The Mini dealership will NOT use aftermarket. The Preferred shop will. Nothing illegal there.

State Farm did NOT tell you you had to go to one shop, they gave you a choice, so there's no 'steering'. Nothing illegal there.

State Farm is legally responsible to 'make you whole' for the accident. That means if you had a '04 Mini, you'd get parts equivalent to an '04 Mini. By giving you a new door, especially if the old door had prior damage, you're better off than you were before the accident. State Farm can charge you for that, it's called 'betterment'.

Are you using State Farm for the rental or your insurance? If you're in State Farm's rental, I'd push to have it extended at their expense. They're legally required to give you an equivalent car until yours is fixed. While there was a delay, and they will say the delay was your fault, you may be able to argue that it was their fault since they did not explain your options fully. If you can get them to admit they caused they delay (preferrably in writing) they have to pay for the rental.
 

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Originally posted by: sactoking
You may be confusing 'used' with 'aftermarket'. 'Used' means used. "Aftermarket' means manufactured by someone other than the vehicle's manufacturer. The Mini dealership will NOT use aftermarket. The Preferred shop will. Nothing illegal there.

State Farm did NOT tell you you had to go to one shop, they gave you a choice, so there's no 'steering'. Nothing illegal there.

State Farm is legally responsible to 'make you whole' for the accident. That means if you had a '04 Mini, you'd get parts equivalent to an '04 Mini. By giving you a new door, especially if the old door had prior damage, you're better off than you were before the accident. State Farm can charge you for that, it's called 'betterment'.

Are you using State Farm for the rental or your insurance? If you're in State Farm's rental, I'd push to have it extended at their expense. They're legally required to give you an equivalent car until yours is fixed. While there was a delay, and they will say the delay was your fault, you may be able to argue that it was their fault since they did not explain your options fully. If you can get them to admit they caused they delay (preferrably in writing) they have to pay for the rental.

I'm not saying that what they are doing is illegal, I'm saying its both annoying and retarded. This would all have been a non-issue if they simply told us ALL the conditions of taking the car to a non-preferred repair shop up front.
 

MrDudeMan

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They have preferred shops because it saves them money and hassle in the long run by knowing what they can expect and avoiding problems from an unknown mechanic. From the way you told the story, yes that would make State Farm retarded, but you are only seeing it from your POV. Your dad bought insurance, got into an accident, and they are paying for it. What's the problem?
 

JS80

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Probably has to do with checks and balances and company policy to prevent fraud.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
What state? Most states have rules/laws against what they did/said to your father. They hav eno control over where you take it and if there are no used/like new parts then they HAVE to pay for new.

Contact your state insurance rep, if your state has one, and file a complaint.

QFT...new or not, if they can't source either part to make your car whole it's on them, this is one reason you are insured.

I think it was the starion that my friend had in high school. He was in a not at fault accident, but they did not have a certain part / body panel in inventory anywhere or used. Without this part his car was not usable...

The insurance company had to pay to have one shipped, but on the flip side my friend had to wait like 3 months or so for it to be manufactured and shipped.

He did not have rental car coverage.
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: Anubis
insurance companys dont operate with logic, they exist to fuck people in the ass and make things as difficult as they possibily can

Agreed, speaking of that anyone in the Portland area know any good insurance lawyers?
My GF is about to need to put a world of hurt in on Geico for not paying for damage done to her car and not paying for her rental car.
 

Jadow

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Seriously, I love State Farm. They are cheaper than any quote I've gotten for Auto, my homeowners is like $300 per year, they paid me for more than the value of my car during the hail storm. And to top it off, they offer FREE TURBOTAX WITH FREE STATE AND FEDERAL E-FILE FOR SF CUSTOMERS!
 

walrus

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State Farm sucks I had car insurance with them with no accidents or tickets for 15 years, then they started rasing my rates. I let it slide the first year but the second year I droped them and use esurance.com
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: Anubis
insurance companys dont operate with logic, they exist to fuck people in the ass and make things as difficult as they possibily can

Agreed, speaking of that anyone in the Portland area know any good insurance lawyers?
My GF is about to need to put a world of hurt in on Geico for not paying for damage done to her car and not paying for her rental car.

lolz...an insurance company doesn't have to cover a rental btw.

What did they not pay for?
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: walrus
State Farm sucks I had car insurance with them with no accidents or tickets for 15 years, then they started rasing my rates. I let it slide the first year but the second year I droped them and use esurance.com

What's your carrier?

State Farm and the like are usually still the cheapest 'rated' companies for those with good and non-risky driving habits.

I was with State Farm as a kid and they dropped my whole family basically due to one accident I had when my dad was almost 30 years claim free at the time on car, home and business insurance through them.

They said if I were to remain a driver on the policy it would have gone up about 5x what my parents were paying for all of us. I was with progressive for a long time until I bought another house recently and all state gave me a great deal on the two cars I own. About $600 a year savings.

I would not expect my rates to remain low should I have a claim though.
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: Anubis
insurance companys dont operate with logic, they exist to fuck people in the ass and make things as difficult as they possibily can

Agreed, speaking of that anyone in the Portland area know any good insurance lawyers?
My GF is about to need to put a world of hurt in on Geico for not paying for damage done to her car and not paying for her rental car.

lolz...an insurance company doesn't have to cover a rental btw.

What did they not pay for?

Damage to the front bumper of my GF's car.
Gieco is not my GF's insurance company, it is the company of the person that hit her. Therefore they ARE liable for her rental car until her car is fixed.
 

Captante

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When I smashed my Toyota 4x4 about 12 years ago I took it to the Toyota dealer & Geico didn't give me a bit of trouble.

Same when my wife wiped out our Volvo 850GLT.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Originally posted by: Anubis
insurance companys dont operate with logic, they exist to fuck people in the ass and make things as difficult as they possibily can

Agreed, speaking of that anyone in the Portland area know any good insurance lawyers?
My GF is about to need to put a world of hurt in on Geico for not paying for damage done to her car and not paying for her rental car.

lolz...an insurance company doesn't have to cover a rental btw.

What did they not pay for?

Damage to the front bumper of my GF's car.
Gieco is not my GF's insurance company, it is the company of the person that hit her. Therefore they ARE liable for her rental car until her car is fixed.

Actually probably not.