State Dept Official Caught on Tape: **** the EU

NFS4

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Well, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel? :) I guess we don't really have a leg to stand on, as it appears that the Russian's were tapping our calls... and we've been doing the same damn thing.

The only thing with this is that Russia actually leaked the conversations and put on YouTube ;)

Audio recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM#t=89

In the wake of revelations the NSA spied on foreign officials, the State Department’s top official for Europe has been caught on tape planning a deal to end the Ukraine crisis and she had a message for her European counterparts – “Fuck the EU.”

A YouTube video uploaded by an anonymous user has publicly revealed a private conversations between Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, and Geoffrey Pyatt, the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine. In the tape, the two officials discuss a plan to broker a deal between the Ukrainian government led by Viktor Yanukovich and the Ukrainian opposition, which is led in part by former boxer Vitali Klitschko.

The origin of the recording is unclear. It was upload by a user named “Maidan Puppets,” a reference to the Maidan Square in Kiev where protesters have fought the government and the Russian accusation that the protesters are puppets of the United States and the West. The video was first reported in the Kyiv Post.
Nuland told Pyatt she had discussed the plan with U.N. Undersecretary for Political Affairs Jeffrey Feltman, a former senior U.S. Department official, and that he would appoint a U.N. representative to help move it forward. Vice President Joe Biden would also be brought into the plan at the right time, according to Nuland.

“That would be great to help glue this thing and to have the U.N. help glue it,” she said. “And you know, fuck the EU.”

“I think we’re in play,” Pyatt tells Nuland about a plan to join the opposition and government into one unit, apparently being attempted by the U.S. government behind the scenes. The tape may have been referring to a late January power sharing deal that has since been rejected by opposition leaders. After Pyatt worries that there are “troubles in the marriage” inside the Ukrainian opposition, Nuland warns Pyatt against the idea of appointing Klitschko to be deputy prime minister and suggests the former boxer should stay out of any new Ukrainian government.

“I don’t think Klitschko should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea,” said Nuland.

Nuland thought Ukrainian opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk would be in charge of the new government and Klitschko wouldn’t be able to get along with him. “It’s just not going to work,” she said.

“Exactly, we’ve got to do something to make this thing stick together, because if it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will try to do something behind the scenes to torpedo it,” responded Pyatt.

If the Russians did want to torpedo the idea, taping and leaking Nuland’s private conversation would be a great way to do it, experts said. Toby Gati, the former White House senior director for Russia, defended Nuland, saying that she was just recognizing that the EU was becoming an obstacle for deal making in Ukraine.

Nuland "was expressing in shortened form the frustration with the inability of the EU to come up with any kind of sugar to make the medicine go down,” said Gati. “What she is saying is we’ve got a crisis here, we’ve got to move, we can’t go by EU business as usual.”
There’s an irony in a senior U.S. official getting caught under secret surveillance, Gati noted, especially in the aftermath of revelations by Edward Snowden about NSA surveillance of foreign leaders.

“This should be a wake up call about the way you do business and maybe this calls for some new communications equipment,” said Gati. But the news isn’t all bad, she said, because the tape shows the U.S. is actively working to end the crisis. “Finally, the U.S. is using its leverage and getting involved,” she said. “It’s actually trying to make policy, that’s the good part.”

The State Department did not respond to a request for comment.

UPDATE: At Thursday's State Department press briefing, Spokeswoman Jen Psaki said: "Certainly we think this is a new low in Russian tradecraft in terms of publicizing and posting this... I don’t have any other independent details about the origin of the YouTube video.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/06/state-dept-official-caught-on-tape-fuck-the-eu.html

Merkel has her panties in a bunch:

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has described as "totally unacceptable" remarks by a senior US official who said "fuck the EU" while speaking about the crisis in Ukraine.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/07/angela-merkel-victoria-nuland-eu-unacceptable
 
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Well, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel? :) I guess we don't really have a leg to stand on, as it appears that the Russian's were tapping our calls... and we've been doing the same damn thing.

The only thing with this is that Russia actually leaked the conversations and put on YouTube ;)

Audio recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM#t=89



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/06/state-dept-official-caught-on-tape-fuck-the-eu.html

Merkel has her panties in a bunch:



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/07/angela-merkel-victoria-nuland-eu-unacceptable

Color me shocked- countries spying on each other and then releasing information when it would help their position.
 

Pens1566

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Yeah, I'm not seeing how this is a big deal. Aside from it confirming a vulnerability that has been exploited by another country. The whole content of the convo is "water is wet, film at 11" at best.
 

rudeguy

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at least they didn't catch Biden's part in the conversation.

My guess is it had to do with peanut butter, Putin's anus and a small horse.
 

Theb

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Russia doesn't spy! They are a beacon of liberty and shirtless hunting.
 

glenn1

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That's the Obama administration, just fulfilling his campaign promise to restore the U.S. reputation around the world. Saying "fuck the EU" was just Obama's superior diplomacy in action, putting those influencing skills to good use.
 

gevorg

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America working with and running foreign political opposition? News at 11.

Merkel must be an expert on saving face by now. First it was Snowden revelations, and now this.
 

nageov3t

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Cato the Elder ended every speech with the phrase "and further, Carthage must be destroyed." (Carthago delenda est)

I propose that we change the law in the US to indicate that every speech given by an American official should end with "and further, fuck the EU."
 

NFS4

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And why do we want to "fuck" the EU?

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hal2kilo

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That's the Obama administration, just fulfilling his campaign promise to restore the U.S. reputation around the world. Saying "fuck the EU" was just Obama's superior diplomacy in action, putting those influencing skills to good use.

And if the Bush Admin did the same thing, you'd be all that taken it to the Euro Socialist.
Yea ha! Freedom Fries!
 

MagickMan

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And if the Bush Admin did the same thing, you'd be all that taken it to the Euro Socialist.
Yea ha! Freedom Fries!

While the Left would be screaming "hang the fucker!" Right?

Party hypocrisy is reaching an all-time high, it's becoming nauseating. D:
 

glenn1

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And if the Bush Admin did the same thing, you'd be all that taken it to the Euro Socialist.
Yea ha! Freedom Fries!

I share the sentiment but then again I'm not a diplomat or someone who ran for President with a campaign promise to improve foreign relations that were "damaged during the Bush years." Guess I just didn't realize in the highest realms of geopolitics, telling other powers to fuck themselves is how you went about building concensus and making partners.