State department: Hillary did not comply with policies

[Jhhnn]

It is not absurd to question how someone with a political science degree and no information security credentials received a GS15 information security specialist appointment. All of the GS15 employees I interacted with were recognized and certified experts in their respective fields. Pagliano's resume and his position is an anomaly.

So what? That has nothing to do with him obtaining security clearance, a basic requirement for anybody in the inner circle of the office of the SoS. That's true for any modern SoS unless you want to allege negligence on the part of the HR staff.

Kee-rist. It comes with the badge to get into the building.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So what? That has nothing to do with him obtaining security clearance, a basic requirement for anybody in the inner circle of the office of the SoS. That's true for any modern SoS unless you want to allege negligence on the part of the HR staff.

Kee-rist. It comes with the badge to get into the building.

The whole building is not a SCIF. His badge to enter a state department facility is not an indication of security clearance. Similarly, those with clearance can escort personnel who do not, although the rules for who can and cannot enter a SCIF area are a bit more restrictive.

Recently released information speak to Clinton checking her Blackberry in the hallway outside SCIF designated areas, primarily because mobile devices are not permitted in a SCIF.

 

[ivwshane]

The whole building is not a SCIF. His badge to enter a state department facility is not an indication of security clearance. Similarly, those with clearance can escort personnel who do not, although the rules for who can and cannot enter a SCIF area are a bit more restrictive.

Recently released information speak to Clinton checking her Blackberry in the hallway outside SCIF designated areas, primarily because mobile devices are not permitted in a SCIF.

I just want to know, is Hillary a criminal mastermind or a technophobe? It seems that if she is a criminal mastermind she has made a lot of little, easily avoidable mistakes, leaving a smoking gun doesn't seem to be one of them. If she is a technophobe then that explains a lot, don't you think?

 

[Phoenix86]

Pure obfuscation.

Quality post, thanks for your contribution.

 

[Jhhnn]

The whole building is not a SCIF. His badge to enter a state department facility is not an indication of security clearance. Similarly, those with clearance can escort personnel who do not, although the rules for who can and cannot enter a SCIF area are a bit more restrictive.

Recently released information speak to Clinton checking her Blackberry in the hallway outside SCIF designated areas, primarily because mobile devices are not permitted in a SCIF.

I meant that when he got his badge it came with the security clearances necessary for his job title. IT positions obviously require clearance sufficient to view all materials in the State Dept internet system.

It can be no other way.

So when the SoS says "I want this guy in this job" the staff makes it so, crossing the t's & dotting the i's all along the way with the necessary security clearances just being part of it. If the designated guy won't pass the security clearance the staff goes back to the SoS & informs them that the process can't be completed.

It's not like they've never done it before or as if there aren't protocols.

 

[werepossum]

It's worth pointing out that Mr. Pagliano has a grand total of one email (happy birthday Madam Secretary) during the four years when he was employed at State and Mrs. Clinton was SecState, that everyone acknowledges he was a purely political hire, that Mr. Pagliano had only a very basic IT background even though he was hired at the GS-15 pay grade, that his degree is in fact in political science, that he has neither certifications in nor experience in nor education in network protection or hardening, that his supervisor had "limited contact" with Mr. Pagliano, that his official duties are still largely unknown, and that he failed to note either the Clinton job or the income on his State Department financial disclosure form - an omission which carries a penalty up to a $10,000 fine and jail time. Oddly, there's a bit of a disconnect between Mr. Pagliano's qualifications and what OPM calls out as the required qualifications. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...logy-it-management-series-2210-alternative-a/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/12/d...il-technician-was-underqualified-for-the-job/

His first job, which was set at the GS-15 pay grade, was that of information technology specialist. His official job duties are still unknown, but while he performed them he was also in charge of managing Clinton’s email system.


His resume shows he had only basic computer networking certifications, and none that would have provided the foundation for protecting a sensitive email system like Clinton’s. In addition to certifications in MSCE NT and 2000, CCNA, A+, and CCA, Pagliano had a political science degree from Emory University.

Man, I just can't wait until we can have this quality of government everywhere. Venezuela is going to be soooo jealous!

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Supposedly before they realized that all Pagliani's emails had also disappeared. If true, that negates any claim of an actual investigation.

How do we know the FBI doesn't have Pagliani's emails?

If I understand correctly it's the State Dept that doesn't have any (well, other than the one).

Do we know that (1) the FBI could not recover them from the server, and (2) Pagliani couldn't provide copies from his own PC/laptop?

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

It's worth pointing out that Mr. Pagliano has a grand total of one email (happy birthday Madam Secretary) during the four years when he was employed at State and Mrs. Clinton was SecState, that everyone acknowledges he was a purely political hire, that Mr. Pagliano had only a very basic IT background even though he was hired at the GS-15 pay grade, that his degree is in fact in political science, that he has neither certifications in nor experience in nor education in network protection or hardening, that his supervisor had "limited contact" with Mr. Pagliano, that his official duties are still largely unknown, and that he failed to note either the Clinton job or the income on his State Department financial disclosure form - an omission which carries a penalty up to a $10,000 fine and jail time. Oddly, there's a bit of a disconnect between Mr. Pagliano's qualifications and what OPM calls out as the required qualifications. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...logy-it-management-series-2210-alternative-a/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/12/d...il-technician-was-underqualified-for-the-job/


Man, I just can't wait until we can have this quality of government everywhere. Venezuela is going to be soooo jealous!

That has nothing to do with his security clearance. Your "1 email" schtick is contradicted by the State Dept-

“The absence of this email file, however, does not indicate that the department has no emails sent or received by him,” she added. “In fact, we have previously produced through [the Freedom of Information Act] and to Congress emails sent and received by Mr. Pagliano during Secretary Clinton’s tenure."

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...claims-to-have-no-emails-from-clinton-it-aide

Oh, and you just explained why he wanted immunity for testimony, too.

 

[Jhhnn]

How do we know the FBI doesn't have Pagliani's emails?

If I understand correctly it's the State Dept that doesn't have any (well, other than the one).

Do we know that (1) the FBI could not recover them from the server, and (2) Pagliani couldn't provide copies from his own PC/laptop?

Fern

What's happening is that propagandists have rushed to fill gaps in the story with bullshit.

 

[werepossum]

How do we know the FBI doesn't have Pagliani's emails?

If I understand correctly it's the State Dept that doesn't have any (well, other than the one).

Do we know that (1) the FBI could not recover them from the server, and (2) Pagliani couldn't provide copies from his own PC/laptop?

Fern

Could be. If Pagliano set up Clinton's personal email server, obviously he would have felt no qualms about using whatever the Hell he wanted.

That has nothing to do with his security clearance. Your "1 email" schtick is contradicted by the State Dept-

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...claims-to-have-no-emails-from-clinton-it-aide

Oh, and you just explained why he wanted immunity for testimony, too.

So just because the State Department doesn't have them, that doesn't mean the State Department doesn't have them. Gotcha. Like Platte River had the server, but Platte River didn't have the server.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I just want to know, is Hillary a criminal mastermind or a technophobe? It seems that if she is a criminal mastermind she has made a lot of little, easily avoidable mistakes, leaving a smoking gun doesn't seem to be one of them. If she is a technophobe then that explains a lot, don't you think?

Neither. I think she a politician who miscalculated in an attempt to avoid exposing potentially damaging or exploitable information through FOIA accountability.

If no crimes were committed as her advocates claim, and this is simply a policy issue, I would have far more respect if she just came clean. These iterative explanations (convenience no wait compliance no wait precedence), most delivered through surrogates (why do the Clintons have so many surrogates by the way), only further reinforce perceptions of Clinton as experienced but lacking in judgment.

She is the epitome of the political status quo.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What's happening is that propagandists have rushed to fill gaps in the story with bullshit.

Although one has to question why the story has so many gaps? So far we have lack of cooperation with the IG audit and her inner circle hiding behind legal semantics in the discovery hearings. Transparency not found.

 

[Jhhnn]

So just because the State Department doesn't have them, that doesn't mean the State Department doesn't have them. Gotcha. Like Platte River had the server, but Platte River didn't have the server.

I never offered that the State Dept had Pagliano's emails at all. I said that doesn't indicate anything other than their inability to produce them.

You're trying to slip that into a conspiracy theory jacket when the truth may be entirely different.

 

[Jhhnn]

Although one has to question why the story has so many gaps? So far we have lack of cooperation with the IG audit and her inner circle hiding behind legal semantics in the discovery hearings. Transparency not found.

The lack of cooperation is merely alleged by people with an axe to grind. I haven't seen any transcripts from discovery hearings. Have you?

 

[Phoenix86]

The lack of cooperation is merely alleged by people with an axe to grind. I haven't seen any transcripts from discovery hearings. Have you?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/jw-v-state-mills-deposition-01363/

Instances of don't know: 199
Instances of dont' recall: 40
Instances of recollection: ~50
Objections: ~275 (with 269 pages, its >about an Objection a page)
Recesses/Going off the record: 12

 

[Starbuck1975]

The lack of cooperation is merely alleged by people with an axe to grind. I haven't seen any transcripts from discovery hearings. Have you?

The IG report pretty clearly calls out Clinton's lack of cooperation, also noted as the only SoS not to cooperate. What axe does the IG have to grind.

Judicial watch has the Cheryl Mills transcript posted as a PDF, and a few news outlets are focusing on Wilkinson's objections and tendency to coach her client in her objections. Admittedly, right wing blogs are focusing more heavily on the objections, but I don't have a whole lot of respect for anyone who hides behind lawyers or suddenly and amazingly has no recollection of events when under oath.

 

[Bowfinger]

It's worth pointing out that Mr. Pagliano has a grand total of one email (happy birthday Madam Secretary) during the four years when he was employed at State and Mrs. Clinton was SecState, that everyone acknowledges he was a purely political hire, that Mr. Pagliano had only a very basic IT background even though he was hired at the GS-15 pay grade, that his degree is in fact in political science, that he has neither certifications in nor experience in nor education in network protection or hardening, that his supervisor had "limited contact" with Mr. Pagliano, that his official duties are still largely unknown, and that he failed to note either the Clinton job or the income on his State Department financial disclosure form - an omission which carries a penalty up to a $10,000 fine and jail time. Oddly, there's a bit of a disconnect between Mr. Pagliano's qualifications and what OPM calls out as the required qualifications. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...logy-it-management-series-2210-alternative-a/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/12/d...il-technician-was-underqualified-for-the-job/


Man, I just can't wait until we can have this quality of government everywhere. Venezuela is going to be soooo jealous!

It's interesting that both you and The Daily ConJob ignore the fact Pagliano also had an MBA and over ten years of solid IT experience (at least according to his resume). I realize lying to the rubes is TDC's business model. What's your excuse?

I am curious what we were paying him for while he worked under Clinton. It appears his nominal boss didn't know. His LinkedIn profile calls it "Special Advisor" with no details or other explanation. It sounds like a political patronage reward to me, but that's just speculation.

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So just because the State Department doesn't have them, that doesn't mean the State Department doesn't have them. Gotcha. Like Platte River had the server, but Platte River didn't have the server.

I hate to temper your unbridled innuendo with facts, but what DoS said specifically is they didn't have his Outlook .pst file from his prior employment there. That's the easy way to get an individual Outlook user's email, but it's not the only way. State also said they do have his current .pst file, created during his current contract there, and that they have at least some of his Clinton-era emails.

 

[Bowfinger]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/jw-v-state-mills-deposition-01363/

Instances of don't know: 199
Instances of dont' recall: 40
Instances of recollection: ~50
Objections: ~275 (with 269 pages, its >about an Objection a page)
Recesses/Going off the record: 12

That's a separate lawsuit by Judicial Watch, a conservative attack group. It has literally zero to do with the IG or FBI investigations.

 

[werepossum]

It's interesting that both you and The Daily ConJob ignore the fact Pagliano also had an MBA and over ten years of solid IT experience (at least according to his resume). I realize lying to the rubes is TDC's business model. What's your excuse?

I am curious what we were paying him for while he worked under Clinton. It appears his nominal boss didn't know. His LinkedIn profile calls it "Special Advisor" with no details or other explanation. It sounds like a political patronage reward to me, but that's just speculation.

I hate to temper your unbridled innuendo with facts, but what DoS said specifically is they didn't have his Outlook .pst file from his prior employment there. That's the easy way to get an individual Outlook user's email, but it's not the only way. State also said they do have his current .pst file, created during his current contract there, and that they have at least some of his Clinton-era emails.

Link to "MBA and over ten years of solid IT experience", please.

And sure, the whole point of document retention and the FOIA is do whatever you want, they can always find the documents some other way.

 

[Bowfinger]

Link to "MBA and over ten years of solid IT experience", please.

Linked from your The Daily ConJob article: http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...-v.-State-April-29-Email-Production-01441.pdf

And sure, the whole point of document retention and the FOIA is do whatever you want, they can always find the documents some other way.

Yawn. I'm just correcting your misinformation. If you're frustrated at being corrected again and again, find a mirror. You'll find there the one guy who's best situated to make it stop.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's a separate lawsuit by Judicial Watch, a conservative attack group. It has literally zero to do with the IG or FBI investigations.

The IG audit was to determine compliance with policy
The FBI investigation is to determine mishandling of classified information
The discovery was granted by a federal judge to explore reasonable doubt and public interest over FOIA compliance

All three may be dead ends. All three are related in that they all point to one bad and easily avoidable decision on the part of Clinton.

 

[ivwshane]

Neither. I think she a politician who miscalculated in an attempt to avoid exposing potentially damaging or exploitable information through FOIA accountability.

If no crimes were committed as her advocates claim, and this is simply a policy issue, I would have far more respect if she just came clean. These iterative explanations (convenience no wait compliance no wait precedence), most delivered through surrogates (why do the Clintons have so many surrogates by the way), only further reinforce perceptions of Clinton as experienced but lacking in judgment.

She is the epitome of the political status quo.

If she just comes clean? She's handed over all her emails (albeit, not timely enough to meet policy), she's turned over the physical server, she's been interrogated by Congress, her aids have cooperated with interviews. What specifically would you like her to do?

The epitome of status quo? No, the epitome of the status quo is Washington focusing on the symptoms of an issue as opposed to focusing on fixing an issue. As I'm sure you realize, this email "scandal", is supposed to be about Benghazi. Do you know what this "scandal" has to do with Benghazi, because the Benghazi committee head sure doesn't. Did you know that the first Benghazi investigation came back with recommendations to fix the issues that led to four dead Americans? Did you know Clinton implemented all of them? Did you know we are in the 8th Benghazi investigation? Do you know why?
Because the status FUCKING quo for Washington, especially the Republicans, is to focus on anything except doing their fucking jobs!
You know what else is status quo? Dumb ass Americans like you letting them get away with that shit.

 

[Bowfinger]

The IG audit was to determine compliance with policy
The FBI investigation is to determine mishandling of classified information
The discovery was granted by a federal judge to explore reasonable doubt and public interest over FOIA compliance

... in a lawsuit by the conservative attack group, Judicial Watch, correct. The point was that Mill's cooperation (or lack thereof) in the Judicial Watch suit has nothing to do with how well she cooperated with the IG investigation. Someone above cited it as evidence she did not cooperate with the IG.

All three may be dead ends. All three are related in that they all point to one bad and easily avoidable decision on the part of Clinton.

Clinton acknowledged months ago that in retrospect it was a bad decision.

 

[Starbuck1975]

If she just comes clean? She's handed over all her emails (albeit, not timely enough to meet policy), she's turned over the physical server, she's been interrogated by Congress, her aids have cooperated with interviews. What specifically would you like her to do?

The epitome of status quo? No, the epitome of the status quo is Washington focusing on the symptoms of an issue as opposed to focusing on fixing an issue. As I'm sure you realize, this email "scandal", is supposed to be about Benghazi. Do you know what this "scandal" has to do with Benghazi, because the Benghazi committee head sure doesn't. Did you know that the first Benghazi investigation came back with recommendations to fix the issues that led to four dead Americans? Did you know Clinton implemented all of them? Did you know we are in the 8th Benghazi investigation? Do you know why?
Because the status FUCKING quo for Washington, especially the Republicans, is to focus on anything except doing their fucking jobs!
You know what else is status quo? Dumb ass Americans like you letting them get away with that shit.

No. The Bengazi witch hunt is what exposed the existence of the server, and her opponents sensed an opportunity to exploit.

Who is this "they" you speak of?

Also Clinton's alleged dishonesty isn't the symptom, it is very much the disease. Trump is no better. Sanders is inspirational but naive. I am honestly banking on a Biden/Warren ticket.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Clinton acknowledged months ago that in retrospect it was a bad decision.

Fair enough and yes she did, but I believe the process needs to play out and that she should be held accountable for that decision due to the implications, especially a decision made under a Presidential Administration that promised hope, change and transparency.