State department: Hillary did not comply with policies

[Ackmed]

And again, there is so far only a policy violation, so good luck trying to convict someone over a law that was broken. These types of policy violations happen alot more than people think.

I work for the Government, at the most secure site we have in the US. It operates at $110,000 a minute. That harbors and makes the most precious commodity we have. With some of the most confidential information out there in the world. I know without a doubt that if I did not follow policies, I would be fired on the spot. Union or no union, they could not help me. It is made expressly clear since day one. National security is at risk. We can't even carry phones, tablets, cameras, etc. I can barely use my Garmin watch because it has GPS and can "plot a course". Our higher ups have Blackberry's much like she did, and pagers if you can believe that.

I cringe when you say "only a policy violation". Which could be seriously detrimental to the United States. Sure it seems like a witch hunt, and I don't necessarily agree with it. But this added up with other things she has done, makes me think she is unfit for president. Not saying the other side has anyone fit either, but that's another discussion. Only a policy violation you say, ugh.

 

[evident]

thats fine. i'll still take her over trump any day.

 

[IGBT]

are you for real?

In reading the report I think that Hillary is less of a culprit in allowing a personal server setup and the real culprit is the administration that said it was OK to do so.

The report continues: "According to the staff member, the Director [of that department] stated that the Secretary's personal system had been reviewed and approved by Department legal staff and that the matter was not to be discussed any further."

The Inspector General found no evidence that the Office of the Legal Adviser reviewed or approved Clinton's use of a private email server.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...nton-violated-policies-by-using-private-email

Working in the industry, and in the public sector, I can tell you that if a high level official wants some secure means to conduct business he/she isn't going to tell you HOW to do it.

Thats up to the rest of us peons. I think there is a whole group-of people that need to conduct a "lessons learned" from this episode and help secure our nations information by conforming to industry standards.

That has less to do with Hillary and more to do with shaping up our business practices.

And again, there is so far only a policy violation, so good luck trying to convict someone over a law that was broken. These types of policy violations happen alot more than people think.

Seventy years ago, senior State Department official Alger Hiss found a way to remove classified information from State Department offices. Hillary Clinton found a way to remove classified information from State Department offices. The essence of espionage is to get classified documents out of a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, a SCIF, and into the hands of “someone not authorized to receive them.” The Democratic Presidential candidate under investigation by the FBI has disclosed that her aides had deleted more than 30,000 emails that she deemed personal. 30,000 emails printed out represents a stack of 60 reams of paper, a stack 10 feet tall. When the FBI retrieved the spools of microfilm, the Alger Hiss “Pumpkin Papers” printed out to a stack 4 ½ feet tall.

 

[Jhhnn]

So much reading fail it is almost comical.

As usual, you've said more than you'll ever know.

 

[Jhhnn]

thats fine. i'll still take her over trump any day.

Indeed. It's beyond obvious.

 

[Jhhnn]

Seventy years ago, senior State Department official Alger Hiss found a way to remove classified information from State Department offices. Hillary Clinton found a way to remove classified information from State Department offices. The essence of espionage is to get classified documents out of a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, a SCIF, and into the hands of “someone not authorized to receive them.” The Democratic Presidential candidate under investigation by the FBI has disclosed that her aides had deleted more than 30,000 emails that she deemed personal. 30,000 emails printed out represents a stack of 60 reams of paper, a stack 10 feet tall. When the FBI retrieved the spools of microfilm, the Alger Hiss “Pumpkin Papers” printed out to a stack 4 ½ feet tall.

Desperate, huh?

 

[Artdeco]

Sooo, there's a precedent of just slapping our civil servants hand when they do similar stuff, I'm beginning to get suspicious there's more involved.

Anyone got some duct tape? I need to get this tinfoil hat secured.

 

[Hugo Drax]

If Clinton wins I bet it will be at least 4 years of scandals.

 

[Guurn]

Desperate, huh?

Typical non response. No counterargument, no evidence, just personal attacks. Keep up the good work!

 

[ivwshane]

Since you seem to be lazy

TITLE 18—CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
§ 1924. Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
(c) In this section, the term ‘‘classified information of the United States’’ means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

-- For those who want to complain that the above does not apply let's look at a few other laws.

Section 1236.22 of the 2009 National Archives and Records Administration
(b) Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system
18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Noted this from the report.

On January 9, 2011, the non-Departmental advisor to President Clinton who provided technical support to the Clinton email system notified the Secretary’s Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations that he had to shut down the server because he believed “someone was trying to hack us and while they did not get in i didnt [sic] want to let them have the chance to.” Later that day, the advisor again wrote to the Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations, “We were attacked again so I shut [the server] down for a few min.” On January 10, the Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations emailed the Chief of Staff and the Deputy Chief of Staff for Planning and instructed them not to email the Secretary “anything sensitive” and stated that she could “explain more in person.

So preventing security breaches are now a lawful offense?

So much reading fail it is almost comical.

Yes, it would seem so. I don't find you funny at all though.

Typical non response. No counterargument, no evidence, just personal attacks. Keep up the good work!

I'm not sure what it is you think you posted other than innuendo and the inability to understand what it is you read.

At best you have Clinton failing to preserve documents in a timely fashion. One of her predecessors who also used a private email address and didn't provide such documents hasn't been charged or fined so again, I'm not sure what the case is you are trying to make. That's completely ignoring the fact the bush admin "email scandal" of which investigator's found violations of the law. Can you tell us what charges the violators in the bush admin faced? No? I didn't think so.

 

[Jhhnn]

Typical non response. No counterargument, no evidence, just personal attacks. Keep up the good work!

Is it really necessary to argue against a conspiracy theorist who compares Clinton to Alger Hiss? Really?

What planet are you from, anyway?

 

[LegendKiller]

Desperate, huh?

She fucking knew her server was being attacked and didn't say a word to the state dept. She practically *GAVE* them info on her server and flouted not only policy, but also common sense and regard for classified info.

The only reason why she isn't being arrested is because her name and money. That's it. The only reason why she is a viable candidate is because people like you lining up to let her walk all over you.

I mean, geebus fuck. The MacAullife shit should scare the shit out of you. The number of Chinese officials buying Clinton influence should give you pause. The entire fucking system which you so readily vote for is fucking rigged. Her husband gave China MFN and they made him rich for it. *EVERYTHING* you hate about how the rich fucked the US, is wholly embodied in HillBilly. Yet you lap this shit up.

It's fucking amazing.

 

[sportage]

At least Hillary is in good company.
Not that she was the first to have the idea.
And this also proves the state dept itself was iffy to say the least about establishing any rules or regulations of their own.
I mean, it has taken this long and this much effort just to determine the very existence of rules, regulations, or guidelines. Or the lack of.
It took them this long to figure out what the hell they are even doing.
Or had intended to do but never seemed to get around to doing.

Did he run a red light? Are there red lights? What is the purpose of the red light?
Can't give someone a ticket for running a red light if the red light rules and regulations have yet to be determined.
Well, this applies to emails, security, and personal servers as well.

If the government hasn't set firm standards to follow, its kind of silly to establish the standard after the fact.
If Hillary did in fact break any rule, regulation, law or guideline, then there should have been persons to hold her accountable before the fact.
But after the fact?
Well, that is a bit pointless I would say.

So, you're going to create the red light law, then go back in time and give everyone that broke the law a ticket?
I don't think so....
Emails, past secretaries of state, servers, no agency seemed to care before the fact.
Especially within the very agencies that should have but found no interest in doing so.
Nothing to see here.... Really, nothing at all.
Moving on.

 

[Guurn]

At least Hillary is in good company.
Not that she was the first to have the idea.
And this also proves the state dept itself was iffy to say the least about establishing any rules or regulations of their own.
I mean, it has taken this long and this much effort just to determine the very existence of rules, regulations, or guidelines. Or the lack of.
It took them this long to figure out what the hell they are even doing.
Or had intended to do but never seemed to get around to doing.

Did he run a red light? Are there red lights? What is the purpose of the red light?
Can't give someone a ticket for running a red light if the red light rules and regulations have yet to be determined.
Well, this applies to emails, security, and personal servers as well.

If the government hasn't set firm standards to follow, its kind of silly to establish the standard after the fact.
If Hillary did in fact break any rule, regulation, law or guideline, then there should have been persons to hold her accountable before the fact.
But after the fact?
Well, that is a bit pointless I would say.

So, you're going to create the red light law, then go back in time and give everyone that broke the law a ticket?
I don't think so....
Emails, past secretaries of state, servers, no agency seemed to care before the fact.
Especially within the very agencies that should have but found no interest in doing so.
Nothing to see here.... Really, nothing at all.
Moving on.

You aren't up to date. Some of this was posted earlier. The rules are in place were in place. Plenty to see now and lots more to come. She knew about her server being attacked covered it up multiple times. There are emails about it. That's not the worst it.

 

[SP33Demon]

She fucking knew her server was being attacked and didn't say a word to the state dept. She practically *GAVE* them info on her server and flouted not only policy, but also common sense and regard for classified info.

The only reason why she isn't being arrested is because her name and money. That's it. The only reason why she is a viable candidate is because people like you lining up to let her walk all over you.

I mean, geebus fuck. The MacAullife shit should scare the shit out of you. The number of Chinese officials buying Clinton influence should give you pause. The entire fucking system which you so readily vote for is fucking rigged. Her husband gave China MFN and they made him rich for it. *EVERYTHING* you hate about how the rich fucked the US, is wholly embodied in HillBilly. Yet you lap this shit up.

It's fucking amazing.

Yep, and mcauliffe just let convicted felons vote, 200,000 of them. Makes you wonder.

Either way this is hurting hillary's poll numbers badly, as Trump just passed her in polling average. She was up over 11 points on March 30th! hahahaha
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2474083

 

[Knowing]

Just remember if you got any of the papers Ed Snowden released you are in violation of the secrets act. Purge your email accounts now!

People entrusted with national security clearances agree to a lifetime obligation to protect classified information. If you didn't sign that paperwork, and you didn't actually participate in espionage no one is going to bother with you.

It's not even that extreme. Did someone send you this link in email: C.I.A. to Expand Use of Drones in Pakistan? Bad news. You're holding "classified" information, just like Clinton.

Classified is classified. Even if it's playing in a 24 hour loop on MSNBC someone with the aforementioned obligation shouldn't be helping to disseminate that information.

The Inspector General found no evidence that the Office of the Legal Adviser reviewed or approved Clinton's use of a private email server.

Working in the industry, and in the public sector, I can tell you that if a high level official wants some secure means to conduct business he/she isn't going to tell you HOW to do it.

Thats up to the rest of us peons. I think there is a whole group-of people that need to conduct a "lessons learned" from this episode and help secure our nations information by conforming to industry standards.

If you have access (and govern access) to federally protected information and you aren't following industry best practices then there's probably a department or agency that audits you periodically. We recently had our governing body come through. If we had failed, utterly and miserably, to secure their data we would have lost our access to that data which would have severely hampered our ability to do business and probably would have made the front page in the paper. Also all of us would probably be fired, hopefully we would avoid fines and jail.

Of course if you are the department or agency then you can massively fail in spectacular public fashion and there are no consequences.

One could make the argument that there cannot be a real investigation, since so many others have broken the exact same laws. Is the FBI going to indict half of D.C.? If not, how could they ethically indict Hillary?

Drivers across the nation try this exact same excuse with police officers probably hundreds of thousands of times per day. A lack of prosecution when presented with evidence of a criminal act will only confirm that laws are only for the little people.

 

[Jhhnn]

She knew about her server being attacked covered it up multiple times. There are emails about it. That's not the worst it.

And your source for that is what, other than your imagination?

 

[Jhhnn]

People entrusted with national security clearances agree to a lifetime obligation to protect classified information. If you didn't sign that paperwork, and you didn't actually participate in espionage no one is going to bother with you.



Classified is classified. Even if it's playing in a 24 hour loop on MSNBC someone with the aforementioned obligation shouldn't be helping to disseminate that information.

Yep. Security pinheads are unbound from reality, no doubt.

If you have access (and govern access) to federally protected information and you aren't following industry best practices then there's probably a department or agency that audits you periodically. We recently had our governing body come through. If we had failed, utterly and miserably, to secure their data we would have lost our access to that data which would have severely hampered our ability to do business and probably would have made the front page in the paper. Also all of us would probably be fired, hopefully we would avoid fines and jail.

Of course if you are the department or agency then you can massively fail in spectacular public fashion and there are no consequences.

Any information of that server came from unsecured sources. Any of it that was classified was released into the wild by somebody other than her office. If you want to blame her for not closing the barn door after the horses got out you paint yourself as a partisan fool.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Seventy years ago, senior State Department official Alger Hiss found a way to remove classified information from State Department offices. Hillary Clinton found a way to remove classified information from State Department offices. The essence of espionage is to get classified documents out of a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, a SCIF, and into the hands of “someone not authorized to receive them.” The Democratic Presidential candidate under investigation by the FBI has disclosed that her aides had deleted more than 30,000 emails that she deemed personal. 30,000 emails printed out represents a stack of 60 reams of paper, a stack 10 feet tall. When the FBI retrieved the spools of microfilm, the Alger Hiss “Pumpkin Papers” printed out to a stack 4 ½ feet tall.

Everyone needs to understand that the above is plain plagiarizing from this article:


http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/hillary_and_the_espionage_act_of_1917.html

 

[ivwshane]

Everyone needs to understand that the above is plain plagiarizing from this article:


http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/hillary_and_the_espionage_act_of_1917.html

I thought that was a given? I've never seen an original thought from IGBT. All he ever does is thread crap and run away.

 

[werepossum]

Of course! That's why the investigation is still going on. The FBI will file charges after she becomes president so she can pardon herself, right?

lol

<sigh> With the notable exception of Jhhnn, I have never encountered anyone so improbably dense. Congrats, I guess - you are at the top of something.

Did you notice the slant of the article where they attempt to invert the chain of command, assert that the SoS needs to seek approval from their underlings?

It must be that way somewhere in Glenbeckistan, huh?

Nice. So by your "logic", if Hillary is elected President and therefore is at the top of the government, there should be no limits whatsoever on her power since she will have only "underlings". So will you insist that we all worship her as God-King, or will that be limited to long-term worshippers like yourself?

I work for the Government, at the most secure site we have in the US. It operates at $110,000 a minute. That harbors and makes the most precious commodity we have. With some of the most confidential information out there in the world. I know without a doubt that if I did not follow policies, I would be fired on the spot. Union or no union, they could not help me. It is made expressly clear since day one. National security is at risk. We can't even carry phones, tablets, cameras, etc. I can barely use my Garmin watch because it has GPS and can "plot a course". Our higher ups have Blackberry's much like she did, and pagers if you can believe that.

I cringe when you say "only a policy violation". Which could be seriously detrimental to the United States. Sure it seems like a witch hunt, and I don't necessarily agree with it. But this added up with other things she has done, makes me think she is unfit for president. Not saying the other side has anyone fit either, but that's another discussion. Only a policy violation you say, ugh.

Well said. I would just make the point that practically speaking, the Hildabeast must be judged against the rest of the clown car. Just as Bill Clinton faced no legal penalty for having an affair with an underling while people in his administration continued to be prosecuted for the exact same thing. And I am not being a Hildadrone in saying this: the Bush administration broke many of the same laws, Powell used a commercial service AND turned over nothing. The abuse did not start with Hillary, was not limited to Hillary, and will not end with Hillary. I don't think this makes any difference when judging her, but it should in weighing her as a candidate. She is among the worst, not in a separate category. (And whether she is necessarily worse than Trump is also arguable - it depends on one's own values and priorities.)

I will say this: CNN just did the report story and made no bones that Mrs. Clinton broke the law, did not seek permission to host her own server, and would not have received permission to do so had she asked. Although they did lead with her statement in defense, so they are still carrying her water, that is a notable departure from their usual "her critics say" strategery.

 

[werepossum]

Seventy years ago, senior State Department official Alger Hiss found a way to remove classified information from State Department offices. Hillary Clinton found a way to remove classified information from State Department offices. The essence of espionage is to get classified documents out of a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, a SCIF, and into the hands of “someone not authorized to receive them.” The Democratic Presidential candidate under investigation by the FBI has disclosed that her aides had deleted more than 30,000 emails that she deemed personal. 30,000 emails printed out represents a stack of 60 reams of paper, a stack 10 feet tall. When the FBI retrieved the spools of microfilm, the Alger Hiss “Pumpkin Papers” printed out to a stack 4 ½ feet tall.

Yeah . . . Not really the same thing. Hillary illegally handled these documents for her own political advantage. Hiss did so to sell them to our enemies. It's like comparing someone who stole a truck to carry her own property to someone who stole a truck to pack it full of explosives and murder a bunch of people - it's the same offense, but it's not even vaguely the same thing.

You aren't up to date. Some of this was posted earlier. The rules are in place were in place. Plenty to see now and lots more to come. She knew about her server being attacked covered it up multiple times. There are emails about it. That's not the worst it.

Nah, he's up to date. He just doesn't care. He is part of the left which wants their heroes to have an exercise ultimate power, to BE the law rather than being bound by the law. Scary, but not uncommon or even limited to the left.

People entrusted with national security clearances agree to a lifetime obligation to protect classified information. If you didn't sign that paperwork, and you didn't actually participate in espionage no one is going to bother with you.

Classified is classified. Even if it's playing in a 24 hour loop on MSNBC someone with the aforementioned obligation shouldn't be helping to disseminate that information.

If you have access (and govern access) to federally protected information and you aren't following industry best practices then there's probably a department or agency that audits you periodically. We recently had our governing body come through. If we had failed, utterly and miserably, to secure their data we would have lost our access to that data which would have severely hampered our ability to do business and probably would have made the front page in the paper. Also all of us would probably be fired, hopefully we would avoid fines and jail.

Of course if you are the department or agency then you can massively fail in spectacular public fashion and there are no consequences.

Drivers across the nation try this exact same excuse with police officers probably hundreds of thousands of times per day. A lack of prosecution when presented with evidence of a criminal act will only confirm that laws are only for the little people.

Well said and I agree with all of it. Unfortunately, laws ARE pretty much only for the little people. When the ultra wealthy and powerful get held accountable is when their behavior becomes so egregious and widely known that it threatens the illusion. (Or when they get on the wrong side of someone more wealthy and/or powerful.)

 

[Bitek]

There is this too

For a woman lining herself up to be president for the last 20 years, she does commit an uncomfortable number of unforced errors.

Still leagues better than Trump, but damn she making it hard.

 

[BigDH01]

For a woman lining herself up to be president for the last 20 years, she does commit an uncomfortable number of unforced errors.

Still leagues better than Trump, but damn she making it hard.

The fact that I'll basically have no choice but to vote for this woman tells you how sad our state of affairs has become.

 

[werepossum]

If you vote for her, it's because you want to vote for her. All the handwringing is pointless and transparent.